Westminster Politics

Hey, he’s written a book! And I’m sure he only says ‘omnishambles’ and ‘cockwomble’ in it max 100-150 times

in fairness, the two of them are doing wonders for the tabloid stereotype of the smug but hysterical white middle class liberal. And in the end, isn’t that really praxis?
 


Not economic benefit - direct fiscal benefit. Actually having a young motivated person to add to the labour force is generally going to be a massive economic benefit when you have an aging population with a high proportion of people long term sick.
 
Not economic benefit - direct fiscal benefit. Actually having a young motivated person to add to the labour force is generally going to be a massive economic benefit when you have an aging population with a high proportion of people long term sick.
Agreed, the only party getting any economical benefit from this is Rwanda.
 
And there was Steve Barclay delaying the covid vaccination programme signoff because he was so concerned about the taxpayer and value for money. I don't think I can properly express my hatred for these feckers.

Completely with you on that.
I am in my early 70s and have seen many governments come and go.
But I have to be honest and say that I have never witnessed a government that is so incompetent and inept and totally out of touch as this one. And I have never hated a government as much as this.
 
Completely with you on that.
I am in my early 70s and have seen many governments come and go.
But I have to be honest and say that I have never witnessed a government that is so incompetent and inept and totally out of touch as this one. And I have never hated a government as much as this.
I hated Thatcher and her crew far more, they were evil class warriors who didn't care how much damage they did so long as they put the working class back in it's place, but I have to admit they were good at it, in a sort of Norman Conquest way.

This government seems to have no objectives, no philosophy, no morals, no competence, it just seems to be a bunch of people feathering their own nests while they can and trying to climb up their organisation to trouser even more. I'd love it if half of the feckers were prosecuted for corruption and sent down, it's what the country needs.
 
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Anyone following the Covid inquiry?

Just saw something about Hancock not attending any of the pandemic planning sub committees or something. I mean you can't expect the Health Security to be going to those when he's down the pub trying to get his landlord a PPE deal and groping his staff when he's got a free minute.
 
I hated Thatcher and her crew far more, they were evil class warriors who didn't care how much damage they did so long as they put the working class back in it's place, but I have to admit they was good at it, in a sort of Norman Conquest way.

This government seems to have no objectives, no philosophy, no morals, no competence, it just seems to be a bunch of people feathering their own nests while they can and trying to climb up their organisation to trouser even more. I'd love it if half of the feckers were prosecuted for corruption and sent down, it's what the country needs.

Yes.
While I was writing my previous post, I did think about the Thatcher government.
But I always thought at the time they actually believed in their policies, bad as they were. Margaret Thatcher certainly did. Quite unlike Boris for example who only believed in those which benefited Boris.

But you are quite right. This government has zero morals and is much like a meatfly flitting around from headline to headline with no defined understanding of anything and certainly no joined up thinking.
But that is just incompetence.
They are much more dangerous than that.
Because their policies are spiteful and nasty and lack any sort of comprehension of the day to day struggles of the population.
They seem to detest anything and everything and everyone in equal measure.
Horrible nasty people.
 
But I always thought at the time they actually believed in their policies, bad as they were. Margaret Thatcher certainly did.

Yes she did, her spell in government changed everything, have to admit in my life (career wise) it changed everything, simply because you knew everything she said she would do, she did. It was like getting the racing results two days early.

In the early 1980's I attended a conference in Cheshire at an FE College, presented by two of Mrs 'T's Downing Street apparatchik's, they spoke for nearly two hours about what the NTI initiative was all about and what Thatcher intended to do about school leavers, either finding jobs, undertaking planned training or entering full time education, they never mentioned the Further Education establishment once and were listened to in complete silence.... as the penny began to drop!

As I drove home with a colleague (we were at the time both Labour party members), we both agreed Labour didn't stand a chance, and had no one like her, she was the complete epitome of the 'conviction politician' believed everything she said and wouldn't flinch in carrying it out, but which nobody in my age group, at the time, recognised, because we had never seen one before (or since come to think of it!).
 
Yes she did, her spell in government changed everything, have to admit in my life (career wise) it changed everything, simply because you knew everything she said she would do, she did. It was like getting the racing results two days early.

In the early 1980's I attended a conference in Cheshire at an FE College, presented by two of Mrs 'T's Downing Street apparatchik's, they spoke for nearly two hours about what the NTI initiative was all about and what Thatcher intended to do about school leavers, either finding jobs, undertaking planned training or entering full time education, they never mentioned the Further Education establishment once and were listened to in complete silence.... as the penny began to drop!

As I drove home with a colleague (we were at the time both Labour party members), we both agreed Labour didn't stand a chance, and had no one like her, she was the complete epitome of the 'conviction politician' believed everything she said and wouldn't flinch in carrying it out, but which nobody in my age group, at the time, recognised, because we had never seen one before (or since come to think of it!).
Unfortunately she was enamoured with Reagan.

Listen to the call when Reagan phoned her to retrospectively let her know he had undertaken military action in a UK territory (if I recall) without prior notice and she sounds like a fawning Aunt, not like the Iron Lady.

Alas, her policies, widely viewed as successful at the time, did more damage and achieved very little in this country.
 
Unfortunately she was enamoured with Reagan.

Listen to the call when Reagan phoned her to retrospectively let her know he had undertaken military action in a UK territory (if I recall) without prior notice and she sounds like a fawning Aunt, not like the Iron Lady.

Alas, her policies, widely viewed as successful at the time, did more damage and achieved very little in this country.
I'd argue that some of her policies did work, not necessarily for the benefit of most of us though, the greed is good attitude is still with us and if the 1970's unions were still around you'd be sitting in the dark with zero services because they'd all be out on strike, and you'd not be worrying about your mortgage because you wouldn't have been able to get one that big in the first place
 
I'd argue that some of her policies did work, not necessarily for the benefit of most of us though, the greed is good attitude is still with us and if the 1970's unions were still around you'd be sitting in the dark with zero services because they'd all be out on strike, and you'd not be worrying about your mortgage because you wouldn't have been able to get one that big in the first place
The history of three days weeks is massively over played.
 
I'd argue that some of her policies did work, not necessarily for the benefit of most of us though, the greed is good attitude is still with us and if the 1970's unions were still around you'd be sitting in the dark with zero services because they'd all be out on strike, and you'd not be worrying about your mortgage because you wouldn't have been able to get one that big in the first place

So… they absolutely did not work. Unless by ‘work’ you mean… reward the rich and fcuked the poor.

And yes, if the 70’s unions were around now they’d all have gone on strike because the soul of the country has been set aflame and they had means to stop exploitation.

I never quite understand the argument that mass unionisation is a bad thing. Happy, well paid, well treated people simply do not strike. There’s no appetite for it. Of course there are aggressive unions and union heads. But a completely unionised workforce would find healthy balances to marginalise those types. If doctors settled at 11% and nurses wanted 21%, they’d have no public support.
 
That wasn't her and in what way is it massively overplayed?

I was a kid at the time, was great that we didn't have to go to school everyday but cold baths and no TV wasn't fun
I know it wasn't her but Thatcher apologists point to the previous labour government and the winter of discontent to show how she improved the country.

My point is that this period is described as years when in reality it was a month
 
So… they absolutely did not work. Unless by ‘work’ you mean… reward the rich and fcuked the poor.

And yes, if the 70’s unions were around now they’d all have gone on strike because the soul of the country has been set aflame and they had means to stop exploitation.

I never quite understand the argument that mass unionisation is a bad thing. Happy, well paid, well treated people simply do not strike. There’s no appetite for it. Of course there are aggressive unions and union heads. But a completely unionised workforce would find healthy balances to marginalise those types. If doctors settled at 11% and nurses wanted 21%, they’d have no public support.
Mass unionisation wasn't and isn't an issue, but in the 70's it was mad, striking over tea breaks and the like was just idiocy, and that's what put Thatcher in power, people were fed up with rubbish on the streets and dead bodies piling up in the mortuaries

70's Union leaders and shop stewards were little more than rabble rousers in a lot of cases, it was about power over the establishment (the Government) not about the workers they represented
 
Mass unionisation wasn't and isn't an issue, but in the 70's it was mad, striking over tea breaks and the like was just idiocy, and that's what put Thatcher in power, people were fed up with rubbish on the streets and dead bodies piling up in the mortuaries

70's Union leaders and shop stewards were little more than rabble rousers in a lot of cases, it was about power over the establishment (the Government) not about the workers they represented

Yeah, fair. We’re at cross purposes. I saw daylight appear in the cracks of Thatchers coffin and grabbed the nail gun. Crisis averted. Bitch still dead.
 
I know it wasn't her but Thatcher apologists point to the previous labour government and the winter of discontent to show how she improved the country.

My point is that this period is described as years when in reality it was a month
It was 3 months actually and happened under a Tory PM, but it also sowed the seeds for what happened in the following years which ultimately ended up with the winter of discontent, there's a lot of myths about certain events, Thatcher is blamed for shutting down the mines yet Harold Wilson closed far more coal mines than she did for example - I however did raise a glass and would have danced on her grave if I'd been in the UK at the time
 
This isn't the UK version of The Onion, is it? This actually is real breaking news?

You don’t think a PM using pens that he could erase isn’t something worth reporting?

Especially one espousing transparency, integrity and accountability?
 
You don’t think a PM using pens that he could erase isn’t something worth reporting?

Especially one espousing transparency, integrity and accountability?

It’s a bit silly to report it as news without first contacting central government to point it out. I’m sure they’d have changed the pens immediately. I don’t think he’s using them to conceal. They’re great pens. I use them all the time. Had no idea they were eraseable.
 
Mass unionisation wasn't and isn't an issue, but in the 70's it was mad, striking over tea breaks and the like was just idiocy, and that's what put Thatcher in power, people were fed up with rubbish on the streets and dead bodies piling up in the mortuaries

70's Union leaders and shop stewards were little more than rabble rousers in a lot of cases, it was about power over the establishment (the Government) not about the workers they represented

As someone who experienced the 1970s Trades Unions shop stewards, in some cases, it was more insidious than just rabble rousing.
You are right about it being about power.
There is no doubt in my mind that the industrial strikes were part of an attempt to make the UK ungovernable and potentially lead to a rise in Communism on behalf of the Soviet Union.
 
Listen to the call when Reagan phoned her to retrospectively let her know he had undertaken military action in a UK territory (if I recall) without prior notice and she sounds like a fawning Aunt, not like the Iron Lady.

Yes, wasn't this about Grenada or some British protectorate elsewhere in the Caribbean, where Reagan had invaded (his version of 'first strike' diplomacy) to prevent the spread of communism (assumed left wing takeover) on the US doorstep?

One reason the call was made public I suspect was the 'fawning' from Maggie was to show her support for Reagan and her appreciation of the unofficial help we received from Al Haig, vis-a-vis 'Exocet missile' information during Falklands War.
 
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Yes, wasn't this about Grenada or some British protectorate elsewhere in the Caribbean, where Reagan had invaded (his version of 'first strike' diplomacy) to prevent the spread of communism (assumed left wing takeover) on the US doorstep?

One reason the call was made public I suspect was the 'fawning' from Maggie was to show her support for Reagan and her appreciation of the unofficial help we received from Al Haig, vis-a-vis 'Exocet missile' information during Falklands War.
Think it was only made public ten years ago or so but was just so sycophantic, really made me realise how much of a useless person she truly was.