Because millennials are broke with no assets and therefore no incentive to vote Conservative.
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Because millennials are broke with no assets and therefore no incentive to vote Conservative.
And many of those that aren’t broke and do have assets are educated, completely uninterested in this “woke” culture war and fed up with the way Tories are eroding every aspect of this country.
That's partly it, though the thread makes the point that even if you look at home-owning millenials and adjust the rate to match boomers they're still only slightly more conservative.
The argument seeming to be that a) even leaving aside their current financial situation, living through the financial crisis had an impact on that cohort's economic views and b) with culture war politics mapping neatly onto education levels, the most educated generation in history has predictably been somewhat alienated by the last decade or so of conservative politics.
Either way, I'm taking it as a vague source of optimisim for the future.
But they would all need health care at some point so not voting is also just as bad a sin as voting Tory. This is the worst the NHS has ever been.
These are all valid points and I'd hope those groups continue to remain unlikely to vote Conservative even as they continue to attain wealth, but I won't hold my breath unfortunately, especially as wealth starts being handed down to them as they age.
Election reform that makes it unlikely to ever see a majority-Tory government again would be ideal though.
I don't disagree with any of that. I just think the Tory plan is to cobble together any coalition to win the next election, and hopefully they will not see the country has gone to the dogs. The government are bereft of ideas and talent and any plan to run the UK.
I agree, it’s all party first at the moment. The whole thing stinks and it’s aided by the media. They’ll be the usual thick voters who vote Tory irrespective of any situation.
Harsh on @Rado_N
10/10
It's certainly a ray of hope at least. Would be interesting to overlay it with demographic data to model what point the majority tips as older Tory voters die, assuming these millennials continue to reject the Tories.
Good point from villain about this generation being set to inherit all the boomer wealth. We've had a generational wealth transfer of that scale, so hard gauge how many recipients will lurch to the right. Hopefully loads have kids and worry about their future and continue to hate Tories.
You can't disregard the constituency boundaries. It's not about total votes.
No absolutely. That was a strategy Blair used successfully in 2005. Fewer votes than Corbyn in 2019 and a large majority. In fact I just checked and Blair won 9.5m votes in that win, so I was being too conservative in my first post.
I think that your point further supports my argument - the Tories can still win despite their dismantling of the country. Coupled with disenfranchising millions and an opposition party that has no policies... I can see a fifth Tory term coming.
Completely unconnected to the voter ID law of course.
Exactly.
The thread from the FT jouro was good(Although a lot has already been written about the generational divide)but one of his answer - more affordable housing, forget this undermines the current Tory voter base and donor’s.
So there’s a very easy alternative answer for
The tories….make it extremely difficult to vote and protest.
A big chunk of the health service has been running on double shifts and goodwill for a while. The A&E and ambulance service over the holidays have hit the bumpers in a lot of places now. It's a crisis that's been a decade in the making and the government have been throwing fuel on the flames for months and gloating over how much they've got away with.
Yep - they’ve literally run it into the ground over the last 12 years. In my 30 odd years of being alive, I’ve never known of so many public services being so poor at the same time. It’s a shocking indictment of the Tories. What’s maddening is the lack of accountability (our fault) and lack of action (also our fault). In yesteryear, their heads would be on pikes.
Yes they care... but not about the NHS or the people working in it, or the patient's.
What they do care about is themselves and posturing for their next job.
They are professional politicians with little or no interest in anything other than what is good for themselves.
Just listened to them speak. Zero empathy.
Not only links with voter ID pushes by conservaties worldwide but also seems to have a correlation with conservatives willing to entertain election conspiracies as well. Would not surprise me if you had a handful of loonies actually suggesting that their inability to win young voters in 8/12 years time is reason to justify hostile takeover of politics. Especially if voter suppression fails.
I've listened to 3 or 4 '2022 in review' podcast episodes from prominent podcasts on British politics and the sentiment across the board is unbelievable:
- Boris, the poor old chap, terribly unfortunate how the walls closed in on him like that
- explaining how each scandal from Johnson's government was actually a blow for Starmer (and about how his takedowns of Boris were getting 'stale')
- saying there was a disconnect between the Tory MPs who wanted Johnson out and the public who still loved ol' Boris
- discussing how the scandals either really didn't seem like a big deal at the time or don't seem like a big deal looking back at it now, or both
- how Trussonomics actually was good policy, it just wasn't communicated properly. How unfortunate
Not one time have I heard anyone discuss the near open contempt these crooks had for the public, the constant lying, how utterly disgraceful Johnson was as a PM and is as a person or how disgustingly unethical Truss and Kwarteng's policies were.
These are podcasts such as Chopper's Politics, The New Statesmen, For the Many.
Westminster really does seem like a bubble, and it's a Tory bubble. Absolute hacks.
- Boris, the poor old chap, terribly unfortunate how the walls closed in on him like that
- explaining how each scandal from Johnson's government was actually a blow for Starmer (and about how his takedowns of Boris were getting 'stale')
- saying there was a disconnect between the Tory MPs who wanted Johnson out and the public who still loved ol' Boris
- discussing how the scandals either really didn't seem like a big deal at the time or don't seem like a big deal looking back at it now, or both
- how Trussonomics actually was good policy, it just wasn't communicated properly. How unfortunate
Not one time have I heard anyone discuss the near open contempt these crooks had for the public, the constant lying, how utterly disgraceful Johnson was as a PM and is as a person or how disgustingly unethical Truss and Kwarteng's policies were.
These are podcasts such as Chopper's Politics, The New Statesmen, For the Many.
Westminster really does seem like a bubble, and it's a Tory bubble. Absolute hacks.
I haven’t listened to it yet myself but there’s a podcast called ‘And the rest is politics’ which is run by Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart that is meant to be good. I’ve been recommended it by a few people.
Yeah that podcast is really good, I enjoy that one.
There's also one called Oh God, What Now? which I think is decent.
There is also a sister podcast called "The Bunker" which has gone to more of a themed series but it's still UK politics focused.
Thanks, I'll give it a whirl!
Interesting thread
Fecking cheek of this.
No real opposition policies plus mass voter disenfranchisement plus quiet Tories...
I've put money on a Tory victory at the next GE
They have won majorities whilst losing the popular vote before (as have Labour). I reckon they will do the same next year.
A bit of a leap there regarding the 44% who don't agree with Starmer's stance on Brexit: where is the evidence or even logic that those people will not vote for Labour?
This is an unprecedented period, caused by unforeseen circumstances such as Putin's illegal war and unions raising havoc. Under a Labour government you can guarantee that these problems would be ten times worse. Text
Yep agree with you. Conspiracy over elections seems to be spreading all across the conservative world.
I’m getting potential 2015 election vibes(Although I’m always wrong on these things).
I’m guessing they are looking at the last election and also maybe thinking pressure will build up inn the run up to the next election. Tbh I just ignored that one from them as the account is very pro remain.
Yes, the pro remain bias is clear, making their conclusions suspect.
Hmm, who to vote for in the next election? The man who has me bent over, dry raping me or my saviour who has stopped midway from saving me to have a quick ****-wank? 
Vote for a local single issue candidate that you agree with, if enough do it the so called main parties won't be able to win a majority so something sensible might get doneHmm, who to vote for in the next election? The man who has me bent over, dry raping me or my saviour who has stopped midway from saving me to have a quick ****-wank?
As it stands the status quo will continue and nothing will ever change, the main parties know this
That would be the case with PR, but not with FPTP, the Tories would just either get a narrow majority due to their locked-in base, or form a coalition again with an ambitious secondary party.