Wow, not much of a mandate.
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Wow, not much of a mandate.
apparently, a lot of these low turnouts is down to late postal votes or lost postal votes with what’s going on in the post office and people not wanting to get out to vote in person in this weather
Tbh I’m surprised there isn’t some threshold.
One look at his profile pic will lead you to the conclusion this man’s an absolute fecking plank!
Tip of the iceberg stuff from the Tory hypocrites...
Traces of suspected cocaine found after parties in Liz Truss’s grace-and-favour house, say staff
Exclusive: White powder residue found after events held at Chevening and Downing Street, say sources
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...in-liz-truss-grace-and-favour-house-say-staff
Traces of suspected cocaine found after parties in Liz Truss’s grace-and-favour house, say staff
Exclusive: White powder residue found after events held at Chevening and Downing Street, say sources
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...in-liz-truss-grace-and-favour-house-say-staff
Heard a rumour some years back that a good ch
chunk of our mps and ministers are on cocaine.
Hardly a rumour, the entire city is awash with cocaine. A lot of the MPs have come from that environment and it's not like being an MP isn't also a high stress job.
It's not even hard to spot which of them are at it.
I cannot believe Labour have done this to the country.
He has earnt more than the whole amount by giving one speech! Fecking pay for your own defence.
That would make sense if tories cared about honesty. Or reality.
I'd argue it's actually one of the most successful, when you realise their actual goal is to siphon as much taxpayer money as they possibly can, whilst still being able to persuade the general public to keep them in power for so long.
So brass-necked and people will fall for it.
Don't worry, some will still give them a free pass on everything because Diane Abbott and Corbyn.
I met one just a few days ago.
I tried hard not to laugh at him. I don't think I fully succeeded.
Tories ‘at risk from rightwing insurgency’ warns donor Lord Cruddas
Peer says Conservatives no longer party of centre right and are threatened by Reform, Brexit party successor, if Nigel Farage takes leadership
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rightwing-insurgency-warns-donor-lord-cruddas
Peter Cruddas, the peer who has given the party more than £3.5m, said the Conservatives were “no longer a centre-right party” under Sunak, adding that he refused to back it financially until it changed course.
In a sign of the political pressures already facing Sunak, Cruddas, a former Tory co-treasurer, said that the recent tax-raising budget, as well as policies over Brexit and immigration, meant the party could face a threat from Reform should Nigel Farage opt to lead it in the run-up to the next election.
“There is a conduit for right-leaning, centre-right people to find a new home and that’s the Reform party, especially if Farage comes out and says he is going to lead the Reform party,” he told the Observer. “What you’re seeing today is a coup and a hijacking of the Conservative party by centre-left leaning people. The senior Conservatives that I’ve spoken to are also frustrated. Something’s going to come to a head because the members don’t want Rishi Sunak. The odds are stacked against him.
“So long as the party is a centre-left party, then I don’t consider it a Conservative party. I will donate to the Conservative party, the true Conservative party, which is a centre-right party. I will not donate to any centre-left party.”
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Amazing.
Peer says Conservatives no longer party of centre right and are threatened by Reform, Brexit party successor, if Nigel Farage takes leadership
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rightwing-insurgency-warns-donor-lord-cruddas
Peter Cruddas, the peer who has given the party more than £3.5m, said the Conservatives were “no longer a centre-right party” under Sunak, adding that he refused to back it financially until it changed course.
In a sign of the political pressures already facing Sunak, Cruddas, a former Tory co-treasurer, said that the recent tax-raising budget, as well as policies over Brexit and immigration, meant the party could face a threat from Reform should Nigel Farage opt to lead it in the run-up to the next election.
“There is a conduit for right-leaning, centre-right people to find a new home and that’s the Reform party, especially if Farage comes out and says he is going to lead the Reform party,” he told the Observer. “What you’re seeing today is a coup and a hijacking of the Conservative party by centre-left leaning people. The senior Conservatives that I’ve spoken to are also frustrated. Something’s going to come to a head because the members don’t want Rishi Sunak. The odds are stacked against him.
“So long as the party is a centre-left party, then I don’t consider it a Conservative party. I will donate to the Conservative party, the true Conservative party, which is a centre-right party. I will not donate to any centre-left party.”
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Amazing.
So if they go back to bonkers Liz Truss policies he'll donate fecktons of cash to them. Cock.
How many years will it take before we hear phrases like "bloody far left, always trying to push woke ideas like centrism on centrists like me who just want all of the sick and poor burned alive"?
Surely Farage and his chums are to the right of the Tories? Maybe Cruddas doesn't think so. Maybe I've lost the plot again.
I think his worries about Sunak and his propensity to help out the work shy and just give money away are pretty well founded. It's been shown again and again that communism doesn't work. If they don't buck up their ideas an actual centre right (although more of a centrist really) fella like Farage will undoubtedly usurp the Tories.
Maybe it's time to back Palpatine, another sensible right leaning politician
The left label being applied to a government with the likes of Suella Braverman on the front bench is quite something.
Much as I like the idea of Reform splitting the Tory vote, the pressure it, and the likes of Cruddas, puts on Sunak to pivot further right is worrying.
Tories, centre left?
Rabid left-winger Braverman doing what she does best...
Braverman acting unlawfully over asylum seeker support, high court finds
Decision follows legal challenge over amount of financial support given to asylum seekers during cost of living crisis
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...y-over-asylum-seeker-support-high-court-rules
Braverman acting unlawfully over asylum seeker support, high court finds
Decision follows legal challenge over amount of financial support given to asylum seekers during cost of living crisis
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...y-over-asylum-seeker-support-high-court-rules
No wonder Sunak is hiding. Literally any decision he makes at this point is going to piss one section of the Tories off enough to start plotting against him 
I'm assuming he means economically.
I'd also argue Braverman's terrifying brand of politics is based on authoritarianism which happens with both left and right parties.
Centre left! The current Tory government. Wow. This guy is deluded. They are far right already imo, but it seems this guy wants extreme right. Scary.
Bravermans policies on immigration are extreme right. She is essentially a fascist.
Interesting that you try to "balance" that. I wonder what media you are consuming?
Certainly economically, but socially for him too, eg around not ditching the human rights act (yet).
Braverman's policies are terrifying but they aren't extreme right or extreme left; they're extreme authoritarianism.
Just like Xi Jinpings policies with the Uighur's and on civilian surveillance isn't far left; again it's extreme authoritarianism.
Authoritarianism can happen on the left, for sure. Braverman happens to indulge in authoritarianism on the right. She makes it very clear that she’s right wing. You’d have to do some weird mental gymnastics to come to any other conclusion.
Braverman is just like the far right anti-immigrant candidate, Eric Zemmour, France had in the last election.
Second generation immigrant family - he is of Arabic-Jewish descent who parents moved from Algeria to mainland France in the 50s. Same vicious anti-immigrant views.
He got completely humiliated. Braverman ends up as Home Secretary.
The ERG are running the UK and Sunak stays as PM if he does as they tell him.
She's a right wing person who's also authoritarian, I agree.
The Sunak government in general are authoritarian but certainly not right wing.
It's more brainwashing. Trying to convince the public that the country needs to become even more far-right than it already is.
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Of course Sunak's government is right wing. What planet are you living on?
Not really, it is this level of funding, from this type of Tory that has kept the Tory Party going for decades. Tory party memberships fees are a drop in the ocean, compared with such donations its what keeps them ahead of the game, certainly in media prominence.
How much of a 'shudder' this will send to the Tory Party 'Grandees' is not hard to figure, they had to adopt Boris as leader to fight off Farage before, but Boris wont be back (making too much money from speeches/guest appearances and writing his memoirs), so they will have to look elsewhere, but after the gamble with Truss didn't pay off and indeed made things worse, they know they will have to tread carefully.
This could be a golden moment for Labour, if Cruddas really does withdraw his support and shift it elsewhere!
Starmer has to keep his nerve now more than anything, a Labour government with a decent majority after the next GE is growing evermore likely with news like this.
How would you define right wing politics?
Looking at Braverman specifically, she is authoritarian and extreme right. Regardless of any whataboutism.
I'd define a right wing government as one enacting low tax and low spend policies, with far less intrusive government intervention in the private sector. Small state involvement in sectors such as energy, transport, health, social care. More focus on the charitable sector rather than the state providing assistance to the poor.
I'd see right wing policies as those that progressively seek to spend less of other peoples' money for them, believing that people ultimately spend their own money far better than government. In reality this would translate to the transport sector becoming far less subsidised. The education system becoming more about choice (e.g. school vouchers). Progressively less involvement in health in favour of insurance based systems, allowing far more patient choice.
Likewise a right wing viewpoint would be that subsidising the wealthy with taxes from the poor and middle class is immoral and wrong. Etonians being subsidised by the taxpayer to go to Cambridge for example when they could afford the six figure cost would be an example. The top several deciles wouldn't get subsidised health, education, pensions, housing, transport etc as they can afford it without state help (with much lower taxes of course).
I'd see area's of spend right wingers would see as crucial would be defence and law & order. These state departments would be funded plentifully; particularly the military which I'd say would be 4-5% of GDP minimum.
The further right you go the more extreme this would be. A government that had no budget whatsoever for health, social care, transport, education, pensions, welfare, housing, social services, employment, agriculture, housing etc; but still had a large defence and public order budget would be very right wing (the third sector in this example would be solely responsible for helping those in need and the provate sector would provide all the services people desired).
On the flip side authoritarianism would be about control of people, rather than control of their money. A strict and dehumanising immigration policy would be authoritarian. ID cards to vote is authoritarian. Restricting freedom of movement, even via a passport is a form of authoritarianism. Using fear to limit civil liberties is authoritarianism. Surveillance of the populace is authoritarian. Treating people differently based on colour, sex, sexual orientation, creed, religious belief or any other way they choose to live their lives is authoritarian.
Control of money = left and right
Control of people = libertarian and authoritarianism
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