Westminster Politics

I think the Lib Dem’s getting into bed with Cameron and then bending over, biting the pillow and pushing back changed public perception of them massively.

Their actions took them from being viewed as a centre left -> left wing party to being viewed as a centre -> centre right party on social issues.

With the inevitable smashing they took in 2015, they had their status reduced massively. If you’re going to vote on social issues it’s got to be labour, if it’s environmental issues it might as well be green because at least the intentions of your vote are clear.

They haven’t been helped either by the current political climate of extremes. There’s not really any place for a mild centre party right now.
 
Sounds like you are both playing down the impact of the tuition fee thing, it was much more about either being in coalition, or more specifically their piss poor performance / conduct while in government.
 
Don't forget that the Lib Dems fought tooth and nail alongside the Tories to try to prevent the minimum wage being introduced. Don't think for a second that Nick Clegg's Toryism was any sort of an anomaly.
 
I can't remember clearly but is it true Brown told Clegg they weren't interested in a coalition? I want that interested in politics back then.
 
Dave89 said:
Don't forget that the Lib Dems fought tooth and nail alongside the Tories to try to prevent the minimum wage being introduced. Don't think for a second that Nick Clegg's Toryism was any sort of an anomaly.
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This is... not true?
 
Ubik said:
This is... not true?
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I went back and looked up, they had changed their policy before the final vote, but to quote Menzies Campbell on BBC Question Time in 1997: "The consequences for the rest of the workforce will far outweigh any benefit which might accrue from the minimum wage proposal". Does that sound like a ringing endorsement from the Lib Dems?
 


Tories are slowly dying and UKIP up to third(UKIP are million times more far right than the Farage days).

Also can the libs and greens stop being annoying and just vote Labour.
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tra...-it-may-not-be-finished-by-2020-a4107891.html
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I've seen them testing the rolling stock on the main line out of Paddington in the evenings, already liveried up with 'Elizabeth Line'.

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Wouldn't say I've ever particularly noticed students being brainwashed by left-wing teachers. Younger people are more likely to be taken in by promises of money from Labour. As well as fake news on social media particularly. You could write a tweet saying "just seen Theresa May kill a Syrian baby with her bare hands in Tesco" and it would genuinely have thousands replying and quoting the tweet saying "how can we let this woman be in charge of our country after this". or something along those lines.
 
dbs235 said:
Wouldn't say I've ever particularly noticed students being brainwashed by left-wing teachers. Younger people are more likely to be taken in by promises of money from Labour. As well as fake news on social media particularly. You could write a tweet saying "just seen Theresa May kill a Syrian baby with her bare hands in Tesco" and it would genuinely have thousands replying and quoting the tweet saying "how can we let this woman be in charge of our country after this". or something along those lines.
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I actually don't think young people (of voting age) are any more likely to be brainwashed than older people... if anything, the most misinformed stuff I tend to see comes from the much older generation who seem to believe whatever they read in what is predominantly a right wing media in this country. Generally young people tend to be more tech savvy and very used to getting information from a variety of sources at the touch of a button. It's generalising a bit, but I think the much older generation tend to get their information from fewer sources.

In terms of people believing whatever they read... I just see that as general confirmation bias. People believing what they want to believe and it works the same on the left and right. You see something negative about someone you don't like and you choose to believe it. See something negative about someone you do like and you feel very sceptical.
 
dbs235 said:
Wouldn't say I've ever particularly noticed students being brainwashed by left-wing teachers. Younger people are more likely to be taken in by promises of money from Labour. As well as fake news on social media particularly. You could write a tweet saying "just seen Theresa May kill a Syrian baby with her bare hands in Tesco" and it would genuinely have thousands replying and quoting the tweet saying "how can we let this woman be in charge of our country after this". or something along those lines.
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I'm sure they'd find some way to blame Corbyn. Or praise her for not being soft on them like Corbyn would.
 
dbs235 said:
Wouldn't say I've ever particularly noticed students being brainwashed by left-wing teachers. Younger people are more likely to be taken in by promises of money from Labour. As well as fake news on social media particularly. You could write a tweet saying "just seen Theresa May kill a Syrian baby with her bare hands in Tesco" and it would genuinely have thousands replying and quoting the tweet saying "how can we let this woman be in charge of our country after this". or something along those lines.
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Oh god i hope that's a troll attempt :lol:
 
I give ol Jez some stick on here but I think he’s right on a fundamental issue. The only thing that will combat xenophobia in the UK is better social security for the working classes. The Their feeling of being marginalised and left behind fuels their suspicion of immigrants. If they didn’t feel they were being superseded they wouldn’t feel so threatened about non-British homogenous areas forming where they live.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I give ol Jez some stick on here but I think he’s right on a fundamental issue. The only thing that will combat xenophobia in the UK is better social security for the working classes. The Their feeling of being marginalised and left behind fuels their suspicion of immigrants. If they didn’t feel they were being superseded they wouldn’t feel so threatened about non-British homogenous areas forming where they live.
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Bribes?

That's the Labour way, after all.
 
Sweet Square said:


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You know what... It's not beyond the realms of possibility that there is a by election and he rides a wave of brexit anger to become an MP...
And when may announces she is departing he takes the conservative whip and tosses himself furiously at the thought of being pm his hat in the ring

Would do well with the members probably if he could make it to the final two (might struggle to get to that stage through the mp ballot though)
 
Hate the way media treating Farage like the bogey man. This is a man that has failed to be an MP seven times.
 
Nuts said:
What part of the post you were responding to does ‘bribes’ relate to?
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Tory voters consider social security and policies aimed at helping the less well off to be bribes encouraging them to vote. Not one of the fundamentals of a civilised society.
 
Mogget said:
Tory voters consider social security and policies aimed at helping the less well off to be bribes encouraging them to vote. Not one of the fundamentals of a civilised society.
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And also, on the flip side, why they're frequently quick to mock anyone well off enough to not immediately benefit, but who still display left leaning sympathies, as hypocrites and posers, or "champagne socialists" playing to the gallery for kudos, or some other kind of social benefit... because the very notion of anyone caring about the welfare or interests of anyone besides themselves and people like them, is inherently ludicrous. Everyone must be just as selfish and un-empathetic as they are. And driven entirely by person gain of some kind. Obviously. Because if they had to consider for even a second that they weren't, they might have to contend with the idea that they're maybe just kinda bad people? And they can't do that. So it's the first one... Definitely the first one.
 
Unsurprisingly, it's bloody dreadful.
 
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