these are not mental health professionals and they ignore the opinions of mental health professionals, the suicide questions is there to find people fit to work when they're not
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Yeah I'm aware of that - I did acknowledge it is in a different context - generally they do also ask for a report from mental health named worker/Psychiatrist also though so they do not (or at least shouldn't) ignore MH professionals - also I'm talking about NI here so can't talk about what may be happening in the rest of the UK - although NI is severely underfunded in MH services compared to rest of UK and has the highest rate of suicide.
The NHS shortages are criminal. They are actively destroying the last great thing about Britain.
idk about NI but all health advice is ignored here, there are people with stage 4 cancer who have been given weeks to live by doctors being told they're fit to work, it's really disgusting and everyone who supports or votes for it should be ashamed of themselves
AS some one with mental health issues, I can confirm exactly what @Silva said. There is not a single question asked in an assessment that isnt designed to be twisted, and/or cause embarrassment so that benefits can be denied. Ive been through the process of of DLA, PIP, IC, ESA. And I can tell you for a fact that the system isnt looking to help anyone, is looking for loop holes. Its not just what you answer to a question is, its how you answer it. You have to answer every question in lawyer speak. And even then, the assessors WILL lie about your answers at the face to face. They present your appearance as something different to what it was on the day, your mood, your attitude etc etc. Ive read the assessment reports on myself and Ive been so angry at whats been made up in the report the thought of a violent reaction has crossed my mind more than once. Which if you knew me, youd no was completely out of character.
These people dont care about mental health, or the people affected by it. In fact they exacerbate mental health issues with the stress they cause. Why anyone is asking a person with a mental illness how it affects them I dont know. The doctors have detailed reports, but they are ignored. Doctors, who are trusted with life and death, but not trusted to be able to contribute to whether a person should be award a disability benefit. They ask if they can contact your doctor, but they dont. Ive been in receipt of benefits for disability for over 15 years and not once have the contacted any doctor of mine. I have to be the one to go to the doctors and get the evidence of my condition and they still ignore it.
People have died during their assessment and been found fit for work. If that doesnt tell you how fecked the system is, nothing will.
I totally get your anger and frustration with it all - my best pal has been in a similar situation for years and we often talk about the way the system works and how demoralising and unfair it is - so much so that he has decided not to even bother appealling decisions or applying for further benefits due to the distress the process caused him.
Ive considered that more than once myself, so completely understand his point of view there. My first appeal took over a year and a half. When I finally got in front of a panel they took one look at me and asked "what are you doing here?" and then gave me the award. I dont know what it would be like to go back to work at this point, Id love to do it just to get away from this system and the nazi like people that it employs to carry out its disgusting work. Unsure if I could manage it to be honest.
Pretty heated PMQ's .Especially Universal Credit
Not going to watch the whole thing but that first 5 minutes on Universal Credit is incredible. May is literally ranting like a headline from the Daily Mail.
Still Labour's fault apparently - only 8 years have gone by I guess.
My girlfriend is a nurse so I know all too well how badly staffed they are and how it is impacting them. It's the biggest disgrace about this country right now, it should be the first thing that is adequately equipped and the rest planned around it imo. The problem is, whilst these health professionals go the extra mile to make up for the shortcomings, they'll never do a damn thing about it.
She had her nursing degree paid for by the NHS but I'm sure they recently abolished that. I don't want to hear them talk about the NHS after taking that step, unless they reverse that decision. Obviously they probably want to privatise it, but that's another discussion. The fact is the NHS is crippled. The amount of staff off sick at the place she works alone is mind boggling, the majority with stress, and they never replace them by bringing extra bodies. It just gets added to their workload, which they just accept and crack on.
There's so much wrong with the whole system.
She had her nursing degree paid for by the NHS but I'm sure they recently abolished that. I don't want to hear them talk about the NHS after taking that step, unless they reverse that decision. Obviously they probably want to privatise it, but that's another discussion. The fact is the NHS is crippled. The amount of staff off sick at the place she works alone is mind boggling, the majority with stress, and they never replace them by bringing extra bodies. It just gets added to their workload, which they just accept and crack on.
There's so much wrong with the whole system.
In anyone is wondering the ''police investigation'' May mentioned is one of the best stories of the year. Involves a toy thomas the tank engine.
It's always embarrassing watching this, these people are in charge of the country and act like children.
PMQs today was a disgrace. Who votes for the Tories ffs?
cnuts who only care about the tax rate and countryside sociopaths who don't feel alive unless they're torturing animals
420000 nurses is about 7% understaffed
11k is about 10% understaffed for doctors
Both are bad but I'd say The doctor shortage is the one I'd have more worries about (longer training period....smaller pool of people worldwide available)
Hasn't the applications for positions from EU countries gone down as well (brexit and domestic economies improving?)
I'm not sure there is an easy solution
In fairness according to the corbynister element it's probably Blair's fault.
Thought they both had a pretty decent performance... But I get the feeling may has lost the support of a lot of her party....
Reese mogg or Boris by Xmas?
I can't stand the Tories but this is a load of raving bollocks. Would you care to back this up and provide evidence of just how many Tory MPs are practising Christians and then enlighten me as to how this influences the workings of the DWP?
There's enough reasons to have a go at the church without making shit up.
feel free to watch the gay marriage debates in parliament, the majority of conservative MPs gave versions of "my faith tells me marriage is between a man and a woman" with some going so far as to call it unnatural, and voted against it
they happily vote to kill disabled people while at the same time telling us gays are icky because the bible said so, doesn't that seem strange to you?
my post was also specifically about the Theresa "vicars daughter" May wing of the party, which is explicitly Christian, though other wings of the party are similarly mad - namely the JRM wing, which came down on the "gays are unnatural, god said so" side of the marriage debates but that wing of the party is openly sociopathic so who cares what they say
they are very happy to invoke god when it suits them, yet show no sympathy for anyone who is actually suffering
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So no evidence then? One link for this statement just as a start thanks.
seriously how you pay more than 2 minutes of attention to british politics without seeing that the conservatives are hypocritical christian puritans, how fecking blind are you?
Check out the DUP, they take it to other levels completely
they do, and still aren't out of place in coalition with the conservative party
So which is it?
Once you've wriggled out of that one have a read of this..
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...a-may-andrea-leadsom-stephen-crabb-christians
It was a Tory govt that legalised gay marriage with the party itself split roughly 50/50 on the vote. Are you suggesting all those opposed are "christian puritans"? If so a link to that please to back this assertion up.
Meanwhile the head of the Church of England himself Justin Welby has, once again as he consistently has, attacked the government on UC..
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-welby-benefits-amazon-tuc-dwp-a8534136.html
A bit odd that he should be attacking this party of christians don't you think?
No doubt there are genuine christians in the Tory party (About a quarter of the parliamentary party are members or supporters of the Conservative Christian Fellowship) but your accusations that their policies are led by raving Jesus freaks is swivel eyed tin foil hat territory. And the truth is that a significant part of the christian church in England is way to the left of the Tory party on many things
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Well that's not true. The second they poured in the obscene amount of money to prop up the NHS people would be up in arms about whatever area the funds were taken from; have you ever heard of a sector being overfunded?
Ultimately it's a demographics problem, old people are crippling the country with their pointless treatments and faux emergency callouts, there needs to be a cut off age where certain treatments are no longer available to old people and where emergency care priority is overwhelmingly given to the young.
i really don't now why that's the part of my post you picked up on, it's a turn of phrase and nothing more, we have a pm who panders to god, ian duncan smith who wrote the universal credit legislation is a catholic, and no it doesn't matter that other catholics wrote to him to tell him off about it - that wasn't my point, it wasn't a grand point about a unified theology of churches or of the conservative party, it was a offhand comment about them going to hell
don't take it so fecking literally, i'm not your priest
also i said hypocritical christian puritans
look, if you're really interested in wasting your time on this conversation i'd be happy to, but just know it is entirely based on your inability to read subtext and emotion, much like a conservative politician reading jesus actions and words
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Ah yes, gay marriage. A vote that was only passed because of Labour votes because Conservative MPs voted against their own party's policy in droves. Good example.
Ian Paisley Jr on Question Time practically bragged about the amount of Tories on his (and his parties) side for that vote.
Real great optics there. Unless maybe you like Ian and his sweet love of motorbikes, while hating the gays.
*looks at thumbnail*
He really needs to get himself a monocle and do away with the specs.
I picked up on this (although there was plenty of material there) as it seemed a particularly outlandish statement based on zero facts.
So we're not to take you literally. That's good ....because your statement that the conservatives are "hypocritical christian puritans" is no more than wild hyperbole. What we know is that some Tories are christians, some aren't, and that's about it. A quarter roughly support or are members of their christian fellowship and it would be reasonable to assume a good percentage of those are pretty moderate in terms of how their faith manifests itself (as opposed to these crazed puritans that you think are running amok) You haven't even got a breakdown on the religious beliefs of those who opposed gay marriage to back up your statement that the majority voted against due to matters of faith. This fits your narrative but the truth is you don't know it. It's guesswork. Not as entertaining though as the inference that they are deliberately killing people so that there's less people to vote against them
. Doesn't sound like a winning manifesto that.Are you equally concerned about this lot...
http://www.christiansontheleft.org.uk/labour_party_affiliation
If you stop ranting for 5 minutes and think about what you're saying your posts might seem rational and well thought out. As it is the subtext here is that you don't like the Tories or the church and are allowing your own bigotry to fuel your emotional and baseless accusations.
It's illustrating that the Tories were split on the vote and are not, en masse, "hypocritical christian puritans". It remains that it was a Tory PM who pushed through the legislation against the wishes of the christian church that our ranting friend here thinks they're all members of.
I'm a socialist and an agnostic btw before we get any more references to priests etc
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oh my god imagine someone using hyperbole when they talk about politics what is this madness
the only stat on MPs religon lists half of MPs as "unknown religion"
the prime minister of the united kingdom is on the record as having her faith frame her thinking, including when she voted to keep gay people in the shadows
no one does because half of MPs don't talk about their religion until after they've quit, see another PM, Blair
this is a matter of public record, the MPs who spoke in the house of commons against gay marriage quoted the bible in their opposition
okay
hahahahahahhaha this is so funny imagine poor people dying at younger age because of systemic failures that shorten their livesNot as entertaining though as the inference that they are deliberately killing people so that there's less people to vote against them
i don't have a manifesto you said one thing that's not 100% true all the time what a dick
nah i'm alright
yes i'm a very naughty boy imagine hating someone elses politics what kind of nazi even does that
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Is it just the christian MPs we're against, or is it the hindus, muslims, jews and the sikh guy as well? I'm a confirmed atheist so I'm easy either way.
The Judean People's Front.
Judging by the list of ayes and nays, most of the non-Christians voted in favour.
So just the christians then, thanks for clearing that up.