Westminster Politics

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To be fair I've never seen her sweat and I've read rumors about her being dry.
 
The cameramen are laughing.

Are we definitely sure she hasn't quantum leaped from The Thick of It. She's an omnishambles.
 
She's very drunk, she's at an open mic night, her friends have convinced her that she is hilarious and have encouraged her to have a go, and now they're giggling in the dark as she is standing on stage trying to remember a joke and is being heckled by half the audience.
 
Those radio interviews are something else. She simply cannot come up with on the fly answer, when asked about something off script it's just radio silence.
 
RedSky said:
Those radio interviews are something else. She simply cannot come up with on the fly answer, when asked about something off script it's just radio silence.
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Yeah she's totally out of her depth. All she's got is that silly "I don't recognise that question" answer which basically means "Nobody has told me how to answer that one". Absolute cretin.
 
RedSky said:
Those radio interviews are something else. She simply cannot come up with on the fly answer, when asked about something off script it's just radio silence.
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it's refreshing. with other prime ministers there was always a sense that "this might be part of some broader strategy" when they were really just woefully incompetent. with truss, that illusion doesn't exist at all.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Recently the UK have managed to replace an incompetent PM with an even more incompetent PM. I also believe Liz Truss is so empty-headed that she is extremely dangerous too.
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Paul the Wolf said:
My comment from 5th June.
Plenty more going back years where that came from.
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Indeed. I posted this in December 2021:

Infra-red said:
Priti Patel is of course well known for being monumentally stupid, but Liz Truss is on another level. In the past few years I have been independently told by three separate people who have had the misfortune to deal with Truss in a professional capacity, that she is without doubt the thickest minister they have ever come across, completely unable to get her head around even the simplest of briefings, with civil servants forced into explaining topics as one might if dealing with a child or a labrador.
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Needless to day, her struggles thus far have not come as a surprise to anyone who has previously worked with her. She is woefully inadequate for the role she's been given. These radio interviews this morning are absolutely typical - listening to her speak extemporaneously on any subject is just painful.
 
The amazing part is this is exactly what everyone knew they were getting with her.

The issue isn't that she's less clever than prior PMs (although she undoubtedly is) it's that she's so unpolished and slow of thought she can't handle public exposure. Some of the above are standard answers really but she delivers them in a way that loses any trust.

Her advisers will prep her and it'll all sound convincing in her mind then she immediately drops the ball when challenged.
 
The worrying thing is the tories may bin her off before an election.

I'd much rather she be the one to contest it than say a JRM who may be able to salvage a tory win. Or even worse, return of Bojo
 
The silences as her brain scrambles for the scripted answers. Utterly out of her depth.
 
horsechoker said:
The worrying thing is the tories may bin her off before an election.

I'd much rather she be the one to contest it than say a JRM who may be able to salvage a tory win. Or even worse, return of Bojo
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Don't see JRM ever running for leadership. Think he and the party know he's far too removed from the public and too much of a cnut.
 
They will let her fall but it would be more entertaining if they taught her how to fill the silence.
 
BoJo is out there somewhere furiously jacking it to Truss on the radio, probably thinks he could be back by the weekend.
 
decorativeed said:
True, but if it were seen as just one piece of a regeneration, I don't think it would be badly received. The timing meant that the masterplan for the town ended up getting curtailed.

Same can be said for Manchester City Council spending hundreds of millions renovating the victorian town Hall and Westminster likely to cost billions. On one hand it seems excessively wasteful, on the other hand the alternative is to let it go to ruin and spend on a new one having lost iconic historic buildings.
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My point is in any new world where Labour dominate from the position of a strong government, they have to show the public what 'levelling up' really means and that doesn't (in my opinion) start with let's have a new Town Hall/Admin complex and oh yes throw in a few shops, maybe a college annexe etc do up the town centre, etc.. keep the locals happy.

Thats not 'leveling up'... I admit the Tory ideas are worse, but at least they realized this was behind a lot of the Brexit vote in the Labour heartlands, hence their success with the red wall collapse.

There is a chance with this 'rump' of a Tory government that Labour could win the next GE, if it's by a whisker then Starmer's hands will be tied, but if there is anything like a working majority, he has to go for it big time.
 
RedSky said:
Those radio interviews are something else. She simply cannot come up with on the fly answer, when asked about something off script it's just radio silence.
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That is because she is trying to find someone else to blame her mess on.
 
finneh said:
Thats not really true though is it? With a left wing opposition they'd have said corporation tax should be increased to more than Sunak's 25%; leaving Truss a Get out of jail option to fall back on Sunak's 25%; whilst not being seen as anti business (the lesser of two evils)

Likewise a Corbynite would likely have been against the £1m AIA which could well have given wiggle room for Tories to reduce this back down to maybe a couple of hundred thousand to raise some cash.

A more socialist opposition would likely also be against the U-Turn on NI given that this was intended to fund social care which would be a priority for a left wing government who would favour higher taxes to allow higher spend.

Truss would also be able to attack a more left wing labour party who disagreed with Stamp Duty cuts in favour of social programs as an attack on first time buyers.

A socialist government would also have to explain what additional taxes they would levy to fund nationalising rail, energy, mail etc in an environment of expensive debt and wobbly confidence. Starmer has merely made a Johnsonite suggestion of a few billion for an energy quango.

A left wing party would also be vehemently against a points based immigration system (I agree with that by the way) and would have fallen into the trap of being able to be portrayed as a "low wage, high immigration" party.

Starmer has avoided all those traps by merely agreeing with the vast majority of tax decreases and agreeing with the vast majority of spending commitments.

He's basically marketing himself as to the right of Sunak economically (he agrees with £100b to cut corporation tax, income tax, NI and freeze energy prices), but a little to the left off Truss (he disagrees with £2b of higher rate cuts).

Throw in the odd populist Johnsonite focus-group approved policy like an(other) windfall tax and he's sorted.

Starmer is basically who the Tory Parliamentary Party would have voted for if it didn't go to the members.
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Regardless of whether I agree witb your assumptions on what a "left wing party" would have suggested in opposition, it is an irrelevance. None of these assumed stances by the Labour party would have stopped the markets and sterling from tanking after the worst budget in a generation.

Like I said it is purely a self inflicted wound, based on ideology, which Truss is too stubborn and blinkered to U turn on, regardless of opposition. In that respect she differs from Johnson who would have reacted due to political necessity.
 
This is reaching whole new levels of tragic. Something has to be done, and quickly. Her presence alone is tanking the economy, there's no recovery from it.
 
WPMUFC said:
Thatcher cosplay and she said she'd cut their taxes which Rishi would not. Conservatism is a mental disorder.
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I think it’s more down to racism in the Tory membership, if Rishi had been white he would have beaten her easily.
 
Maticmaker said:
My point is in any new world where Labour dominate from the position of a strong government, they have to show the public what 'levelling up' really means and that doesn't (in my opinion) start with let's have a new Town Hall/Admin complex and oh yes throw in a few shops, maybe a college annexe etc do up the town centre, etc.. keep the locals happy.

Thats not 'leveling up'... I admit the Tory ideas are worse, but at least they realized this was behind a lot of the Brexit vote in the Labour heartlands, hence their success with the red wall collapse.

There is a chance with this 'rump' of a Tory government that Labour could win the next GE, if it's by a whisker then Starmer's hands will be tied, but if there is anything like a working majority, he has to go for it big time.
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Levelling up was a Boris illusion sold to try to convince those in the so called north that the Tories were on their side.
It is about as realistic as the 40 new hospitals. Both will be kicked well into the long grass as today's problems increase especially as government departments are and will be told to cut budgets.
 
I can’t remember who said it but it’s so accurate and I can’t stop thinking about it.

Liz Truss carries herself with the same energy of a contestant on The Apprentice.
 
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