Have we been quite as 'two party' for a while? Seems to be going that way.
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Nah probably not this much since the 1980s.
Nope, 2017 reverted a decades-old trend of a shrinking 2-party share of the vote.
It's lucky that the real story isn't the massive Lib Dem surge, in protest at the 'two Brexit parties'. #FBPE #ABTV
In England and Wales anyway. NI is obviously out of the question for big two, Scotland will probably remain mostly SNP for a long while. Labour's picking up soft Brexit England & Wales, Tories are picking up hard Brexit England & Wales.
Well put.
I never any idea what those hashtags mean just that there's more and more of them every week.
Same it just looks like gibberish
I never any idea what those hashtags mean.
It could be worse, some fecker was on about brackets before as well. Apologies to whoever it was, but jeez, fecking brackets?
I never any idea what those hashtags mean just that there's more and more of them every week.
Labour doing well in Trafford, Tory-remain area.
I never any idea what those hashtags mean just that there's more and more of them every week.
I've seen at least 7 different ones in the last 6 months.Same it just looks like gibberish
Same it just looks like gibberish
I honestly thought #ABTV was a reference to arsenal fan tv.
#StopBrexit #FBPE #WATON #ABTV #LE2018 #The3MillionVote #BrexitShamples #People #PeoplesVote #FinalSay #FinalSayForAll #ExitfromBrexit #EU #BrexitReality #BrexitReality #StopBrexitSaveBritain
It's madness
googled it, ABTV is Anti-Brexit tactical voting, I already forgot what FBPE is
Follow Back Pro Eu it's a centrist echo chamber thing
So what time is Brexit being called off later today now the Lib Dems have some more council seats?
The theme on the BBC seems to be John Curtice pointing out the trends and the politicians saying "potholes and stuff"
I'm gonna get twelve emails tomorrow thanking me for my help in the Green Party gaining one councillor.
2 in Trafford!
Labour have gained control of Trafford
Really? Sky saying it has gone to NOC
Largest party, will be able to control with Greens/LDs.
I'm got that from r/ukpolitics, sky's probably more accurate tonight
They're also saying Labour's gained Plymouth, dunno if that's another miscalculation
Ah, okay.
yeeeeeaahhhh
Mwahahah!
We'll bring Altringham to it's knees if you don't give us bank holiday recycling collection.
Labour up 2 seats overall now, the surge is on lads
Brexit must be back on.
BBC calls Plymouth gain for Labour
Locally the big surprise was the lack of green party campaigning. Labour won this ward with 986 to the greens 904 in 2014, 1015 to the greens 961 in 2016. We've had dozens of labour leaflets, high presence of campaigners, big effort to get the vote out etc. Comparatively, we've had one green leaflet and there's been no physical campaign and very little (I saw none, but I have to assume they at least knocked on some doors) effort to get the vote out.
Southampton Tory and Labour leaders both lost their seats
I don't think you can tell naff all from these results beyond UKIP being wiped out because they have done their job & ceased to be relevant. Conveniently for this perspective they didn't even bother to stand in a lot of places.
Labour ought to have done better, Conservatives are believed to be managing Brexit quite well. Could all change next time out. And is depressing.
Labour ought to have done better, Conservatives are believed to be managing Brexit quite well. Could all change next time out. And is depressing.
On the first part, I fear there simply won't be any kind of introspection or analysis of this. Instead focus will turn to how wrong (and probably how 'Tory') people are to notice. Basically the same treatment anyone with the temerity to have spotted the Tories won the last election receive. But that's the bubble. That's why the only 'results' here that were posted overnight were ones that were positive for Labour. What matters is spin and perception.
Labour had a great 2016 GE if we pretend that what matters isn't MPs elected but share of vote.
Labour did well in the 2018 LE if we only concentrate on those areas where Labour gained, and pretend that 2014 was some kind of untouchable high.
Full-on echo chamber that the Tories benefit from as they get to remain in charge and also safe in the knowledge that the only lesson Labour will learn is how quickly to tell anyone who points these issue out how much of a Blairite they are. Effectively the lesson Labour will learn from this is: 'How can we be more efficient in telling people who notice it hasn't gone well to shut up?'
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Didn’t have time to vote in the end. Not particularly bothered. Totally unbearable set of inept, lazy, issue avoiding tossers.
Just your candidates or a comment on the state of politics at the moment. We have the worst government and worst opposition I can remember, a non-existent third party and 'independents' that are usually racist nutters. Woo. Right?
Mine went from NOC to Tory but was expected as the previous Ind/Lab council was forced to put out the local plan for house building which of course was very unpopular.
Wonder how many of the tory gains followed a simmilar trend
Also my local councilor is now a 22 year old university student. Feck wits don't even know who they're voting for!
Wonder how many of the tory gains followed a simmilar trend
Also my local councilor is now a 22 year old university student. Feck wits don't even know who they're voting for!
Tories benefited from collapse of UKIP vote, as expected. Labour tried hard to win them too by in many ways trying to out UKIP UKIP especially if you look at the concessions to the hard right on the Brexit issue, immigration and freedom of movement the party has given to that constituency of voter over the last two years. But whilst there was an element of disenfranchised Labour voters moving to UKIP in previous elections, the bulk of the UKIP support was always ex-Tory voters and that's where they were always going back to.
Don't know how anyone can say the results validate Labor Brexit strategy. But of a meh night. Tories will be pleased considering the shambles they're in.
Now we know why McDonnell was saying the results won't matter.
Sky projected that based on results Tories and DUP would lose power in a General Election.
Totally agree.