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Why?

I mean the ruling is pretty conclusive he did nothing wrong

Surely she should be apologising not being gutted?
The question you always have to ask with this corrupt government is, who made the ruling? Who appointed them? What affiliations do they have? What pressure could've been applied to them?

If the answer to all of these questions come back negative then maybe JRM wasn't guilty. Or maybe he just hid his tracks well enough.
 
Why?

I mean the ruling is pretty conclusive he did nothing wrong

Surely she should be apologising not being gutted?
Why would she apologise? What has she done wrong? Politicians should be open to scrutiny.
 
He wasn't elected on that manifesto because the media convinced people, with opinions similar to your won, to vote against their own interests in favour of the ruling classes.

To then claim you just want someone to look out for the "working man" is strange.

He wasn't elected because they completely lost touch with there usual supporters in the old industrial towns over brexit and at the same time completely alienated themselves from the vast majority of the broad middle class with there socialist policies that were very much aimed towards 'the youth'.

Some of this is corbyns fault some isn't. But thats what happened, to alot of people Corbyns Labour simply wasn't a option and to alot of people it had nothing to do with what the media said.

The may be able to win back some of the broad middle class now they have put themselves back towards the centre and they might be able to convince the old industrials towns to forget about brexit but even with a truly despicable tory governments currently in charge if there was an election tomorrow I don't think Labour would be winning it.

They have lost there way the Labour Party, I think the centrist and left sides need to split in all honesty.
 
Yes and when said politician is shown to have done nothing wrong I wonder why somebody who knows the accuser says she will be "gutted"
Because it was an opportunity to bring down another Tory. She has outed a few already and had them brought to justice.
 
Because it was an opportunity to bring down another Tory. She has outed a few already and had them brought to justice.
But he did nothing wrong... so why should she be gutted?

Is she gutted that her allegation was baseless?... is that what you mean?

Or is she gutted that somebody innocent wasn't hounded out of public office because of her baseless allegation?
 
But he did nothing wrong... so why should she be gutted?

Is she gutted that her allegation was baseless?... is that what you mean?

Or is she gutted that somebody innocent wasn't hounded out of public office because of her baseless allegation?
Because it would be an utter delight were this contemptuous and contemptible leech upon society to be indicted upon whatever element of his doings that he can be, in a similar vein to Al Capone's conviction for tax evasion.

You have very strong moral convictions in very particular circumstances Sun old chap.
 
But he did nothing wrong... so why should she be gutted?

Is she gutted that her allegation was baseless?... is that what you mean?

Or is she gutted that somebody innocent wasn't hounded out of public office because of her baseless allegation?
The guy looked dirty, probably is dirty but with the narrow definition of the Parliamentary rules is OK.

So yeah gutted, nearly had a scalp. Just because he hasn't been found to have broken a rule this time does not mean he isn't bent.
 
The guy looked dirty, probably is dirty but with the narrow definition of the Parliamentary rules is OK.

So yeah gutted, nearly had a scalp. Just because he hasn't been found to have broken a rule this time does not mean he isn't bent.

I mean that's just gutter stuff isn't it... pre-determining guilt based on your assessment of how they look
 
I mean that's just gutter stuff isn't it... pre-determining guilt based on your assessment of how they look
Not his appearance, the reports of his business dealings and general ethics. If it walks like a duck...
 
:lol: he might be innocent of that but he's not fecking innocent!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rs-firm-poured-fortune-Russian-companies.html
Should have been drowned at birth the scaly tart.
JRM is a contemptible cretin and one of the most odious examples of the nepotism, classism and baffling deference that hamstrings the country.

That article made me shake my head when it came out though. He chairs an emerging markets investment firm, so the only way it could ever invest in Britain is if him and his ilk run the country so far into the ground it loses its developed status.
 
JRM is a contemptible cretin and one of the most odious examples of the nepotism, classism and baffling deference that hamstrings the country.

That article made me shake my head when it came out though. He chairs an emerging markets investment firm, so the only way it could ever invest in Britain is if him and his ilk run the country so far into the ground it loses its developed status.

It's more the links to the Kremlin that would be damning, but the fact that one of hard Brexit's biggest backers has made tens or hundreds of millions off it is surely pause for thought.
 
It's more the links to the Kremlin that would be damning, but the fact that one of hard Brexit's biggest backers has made tens or hundreds of millions off it is surely pause for thought.
Tbh the examples given are just big Russian index stocks that loads of emerging markets funds own.

JRM has cnuty views and is a leech, but I struggle to see much wrong with him having a stake in SCM.
 
Tbh the examples given are just big Russian index stocks that loads of emerging markets funds own.

JRM has cnuty views and is a leech, but I struggle to see much wrong with him having a stake in SCM.

I'm not saying he's necessarily overtly in league with them but he at least turns a blind eye to their help, and I don't think it's just coincidence the Tories suppressed that Russia report.

https://www.codastory.com/disinformation/how-russian-bots-amplify-britains-jacob-rees-mogg/
 
Yes and when said politician is shown to have done nothing wrong I wonder why somebody who knows the accuser says she will be "gutted"
They have not even published the report yet have they? Why don't you wait to see why JRM was cleared before rushing to his defence? Is it because you've been reading Guido articles again?
 
I'm not saying he's necessarily overtly in league with them but he at least turns a blind eye to their help, and I don't think it's just coincidence the Tories suppressed that Russia report.

https://www.codastory.com/disinformation/how-russian-bots-amplify-britains-jacob-rees-mogg/
I guess if you invest in Russian equities you have to accept a degree of state intervention, as you do in say China or Brazil.

I know someone who works at his company and he's had little day to day involvement for years.
 
He wasn't elected because they completely lost touch with there usual supporters in the old industrial towns over brexit and at the same time completely alienated themselves from the vast majority of the broad middle class with there socialist policies that were very much aimed towards 'the youth'.

I agree with a lot of your analysis, but for me it wasn't just Brexit!

It is true that as far as many of the 'red wall' voters were concerned Brexit was the 'straw that broke the back' of the relationship of these towns with Labour, but whilst Labour had been claiming for years to represent the working population, it had stopped trying to do anything to improve the lot of these towns many of whom had been ravaged; by decline of traditional industry, factory closures, loss of major employers, endemic unemployment, including de-skilling of the work force, and a host of moribund so called 'local initiatives' for years.
Many so called initiatives were short term funded at best and involved either going cap in hand to the EU for Project support finance, offered under grand sounding schemes, but often resulted in only the third or fourth level bid (much reduced in value) being accepted; or Local authorities selling off traditional assets, to raise money or to try to attract new employers, e.g. lots of school playing fields sold off, landmark buildings went, devastation of many local habitats, e.g. when dredging was ended and rivers began to silt-up (also later adding to flooding problems).

Many people still believe all this 'devastation' began under the Tories 'austerity' programmes', but in many Northern towns this had been happening for years. True, things did get worse in the last decade or so, but the rot had set in years before and even when it got the chance Labour did virtually nothing to halt the slide, and of course the Tories jumped onboard and continued the trend when they were in office.

Neither of the major parties even recognised there was a problem, until Brexit exploded in their faces, even then Labour under Corbyn ducked out and left the field clear for a 'levelling up' pledge from Boris. Of course its unlikely to happen because Boris has also pledged to go down the Carbon Neutral (Climate Change) path as well and the truth is he cannot achieve both.... guess which one will get ditched!
 
I agree with a lot of your analysis, but for me it wasn't just Brexit!

It is true that as far as many of the 'red wall' voters were concerned Brexit was the 'straw that broke the back' of the relationship of these towns with Labour, but whilst Labour had been claiming for years to represent the working population, it had stopped trying to do anything to improve the lot of these towns many of whom had been ravaged; by decline of traditional industry, factory closures, loss of major employers, endemic unemployment, including de-skilling of the work force, and a host of moribund so called 'local initiatives' for years.
Many so called initiatives were short term funded at best and involved either going cap in hand to the EU for Project support finance, offered under grand sounding schemes, but often resulted in only the third or fourth level bid (much reduced in value) being accepted; or Local authorities selling off traditional assets, to raise money or to try to attract new employers, e.g. lots of school playing fields sold off, landmark buildings went, devastation of many local habitats, e.g. when dredging was ended and rivers began to silt-up (also later adding to flooding problems).

Many people still believe all this 'devastation' began under the Tories 'austerity' programmes', but in many Northern towns this had been happening for years. True, things did get worse in the last decade or so, but the rot had set in years before and even when it got the chance Labour did virtually nothing to halt the slide, and of course the Tories jumped onboard and continued the trend when they were in office.

Neither of the major parties even recognised there was a problem, until Brexit exploded in their faces, even then Labour under Corbyn ducked out and left the field clear for a 'levelling up' pledge from Boris. Of course its unlikely to happen because Boris has also pledged to go down the Carbon Neutral (Climate Change) path as well and the truth is he cannot achieve both.... guess which one will get ditched!

Absolutely agree with all of that except that Corbyn didn't want to tackle the problem. Weirdly for a man from Islington I think he was probably one of the only people that understood it reasonably well. Unfortunately he was terrible at conveying his message and even more terrible at avoiding the propaganda of the chattering classes.

The bubbling undercurrent of resentment in small towns across the country was there for years and was bound to explode one way or another. Both major parties failed the country at large. The answer to that can't be to vote Tory though. They have never been, are not and will almost certainly never be the party of "levelling up". The only more foot-shooting option you might have had would have been to vote UKIP or someone.

To my mind the logical choice is you either vote for the least bad major party, or vote for a smaller party whose views you actually support.

End of the day people's perfectly reasonable and justifiable fears and frustrations were channelled towards Brexit instead of something constructive. The nation got conned.
 
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To my mind the logical choice is you either vote for the least bad major party,

This what always happens... it will again until Labour (still masquerading as a 'party') 'disintegrates' and a new left leaning consensus, a formal coalition, or whatever, forms.
Until then the Tories will reign supreme, basically because.. you do know what you are getting with them!
 
This what always happens... it will again until Labour (still masquerading as a 'party') 'disintegrates' and a new left leaning consensus, a formal coalition, or whatever, forms.
Until then the Tories will reign supreme, basically because.. you do know what you are getting with them!

You genuinely think the Tories are the least bad major party? I'm staggered if so, much as I think Labour are a bit dogshit. The Tories prove their incompetence, maliciousness and corruption time after time. Tbh I think the Lib Dems will become a major ish party next time round due to Starmer's incompetence.
 
Honestly, the post government version of him is great.

Not necessarily that useful but just brilliant entertainment.
Not for the first time in his life, Boris is feeling some post-Cunmings regret.
 

It’s clear that with an 80 seat majority and 3 years left to run, they are determined to do whatever shit they can in the next few years before Super Rishi steps in, cleanses the party and provides them a strong and stable base to win a 30 seat majority in 2024.
 
The big question is who is he working for…
Same person he's always worked for?
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