Westminster Politics

sun_tzu said:
True but they won't be voting in a leadership election
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True, but the Tory Party will only elect a leader who can win in a GE and one who will continue their appeal to the red wall voters, so they can look forward to massive majorities in the future; don't think Jacob will score too high in that respect!
 
Maticmaker said:
True, but the Tory Party will only elect a leader who can win in a GE and one who will continue their appeal to the red wall voters, so they can look forward to massive majorities in the future; don't think Jacob will score too high in that respect!
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Not sure rishi or gove will either... Johnson does have a certain appeal that is almost unique I think ... it might be what saves him but there does seem to be a few knifes out looking for a back to lodge themselves in
 
Amazingly the story going around about the Prime Minister’s phone number being easily googleable is true. MP for Henley, Shadow Minister for Higher Education and “press release” offers it as the first hit.
 
sun_tzu said:
Not sure rishi or gove will either... Johnson does have a certain appeal that is almost unique I think ... it might be what saves him but there does seem to be a few knifes out looking for a back to lodge themselves in
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He does have a certain appeal. The same appeal as the cheeky conman who does everything on the black market.
 
Buster15 said:
He does have a certain appeal. The same appeal as the cheeky conman who does everything on the black market.
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Johnson did have that roguish appeal but I think quotes like (his partner’s) “John Lewis nightmare” unmask the clown and show the nasty piece of work underneath. You can get away with a lot in British public life but showing undisguised contempt for the tastes of people less well off (but not bottom of the heap) is not one of them. I’m reminded of Gerald Ratner and his career-ending speech.
 
sun_tzu said:
Not sure rishi or gove will either... Johnson does have a certain appeal that is almost unique I think ... it might be what saves him but there does seem to be a few knifes out looking for a back to lodge themselves in
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Yes, of course that's what Boris is there for, to draw 'enemy fire' and he's good at it, exceptionally good, because in some cases you get the feeling he doesn't realise his head is above the parapet, or that those nearest and dearest are painting targets on his back. Amazingly in some of the things he says and when he says them, to many people he retains the image of an 'innocent abroad' with such utterances, and above all else, most people who are not glued to the workings of Westminster can relate to Boris. Just like Farage, Boris can make a show of being 'a man of the people', when neither of them really are!
JRM goes the other way, he makes a virtue out of a being a self-deprecating 'toff' and people love him for it.
I think Rishi does have a similar quality and it may serve him well in the future, its all about 'timing'.

Unfortunately for Labour those kind of 'men/women of the people' which are recognised as such (by the populace) are long gone, along with their parties image, all brought about by one unguarded phrase by Gordon Brown about a little old lady in Rochdale captured on the 24/7 news cycle.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
What a strange event to attribute your incorrect premise on...
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Not really, Labour keep pretending this did not have an impact but it did, for a lot of people it started the avalanche, that eventually saw the red wall collapse. Whilst Labour go on pretending/kidding themselves on this and related issues (e.g. stance on Brexit) they will remain the party of opposition, unfortunately!
 
'But the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said there was no indication racial discrimination had been a factor.' Sounds totally believable.
 
True story - I've had a mental health crisis where I sought police help and was uncertain about whether to go into protective custody. I wasn't tased, sprayed with CS gas and beaten with a nightstick.

I am a white man but that's probably irrelevant.
 
Maticmaker said:
Not really, Labour keep pretending this did not have an impact but it did, for a lot of people it started the avalanche, that eventually saw the red wall collapse. Whilst Labour go on pretending/kidding themselves on this and related issues (e.g. stance on Brexit) they will remain the party of opposition, unfortunately!
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You seem to be making up a narrative to fit their own predetermined view. Quite wide of the mark in my opinion.

You'll find the Iraq war and Tony Blair had a much bigger impact on public opinion of Labour according to polls.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
You seem to be making up a narrative to fit their own predetermined view. Quite wide of the mark in my opinion.

You'll find the Iraq war and Tony Blair had a much bigger impact on public opinion of Labour according to polls.
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Very much so. Apart from winning 3 straight election victories, the Blair government was very successful. The upgrading of many hospitals and schools and the introduction of waiting time targets for the NHS has never been even remotely matched.
But as you say, the Iraq war had tainted them and him ever since.
But that had no impact on my belief in the benefits of a Labour government.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
You seem to be making up a narrative to fit their own predetermined view. Quite wide of the mark in my opinion.

You'll find the Iraq war and Tony Blair had a much bigger impact on public opinion of Labour according to polls.
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OK, each to his own opinion.

I believe the 'rot' started with many 'red wall' Labour voters ( not those down south or in the suburbs) with Brown's unguarded remark; it 'set in' when it was followed by the loony left being allowed to run the show and then its 'no-where' stance on Brexit. All this caused a hither to unknown phenomenon to occur in 'base camp' Labour strongholds; people not only thought about voting Tory, they did vote Tory, or for other parties, either way enough to give Labour its heaviest defeat in a GE for years.

This wasn't a one off reaction to the Iraq war, which might have happened elsewhere, but not in 'red wall' areas, it was a shifting of the soul in many Labour areas and until its foundations are truly examined, then Labour will remain in opposition, even when Boris and his ilk are running the country.

People of real working class persuasion/vision in the Labour party have either died off, left for pastures new, or got slung out/side-lined! So called Public Opinion is always fickle, even what Labour party members themselves believe, is not relevant to gaining power; what is relevant to gaining power is what counts to individuals attitudes and aspirations, and what happens in the privacy of the ballot box with people who hitherto always voted Labour, no matter what, who were born and bred to it.

This is what has changed, not public opinion/poll numbers!
 
Personally I’m super comfortable having a Prime Minister who is short of cash. Especially one as honest as Bozza
 
Sir Matt said:


Must be expensive paying child support for an indeterminate number of children.
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He's probably paying child support for a few kids who aren't even his, but someone thought ".....it's worth a shot" and since Boris can't remember if he has or hasn't been around the back of Ladbrokes in Hull (by the glass recycling bins) he didn't want to risk it.
 
What kind of self respecting woman gets attracted to a man like this?
 
Adisa said:
What kind of self respecting woman gets attracted to a man like this?
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She had an affair with a married man whose wife was then diagnosed with cancer and still continued with that relationship. I'd say there is plenty of blame to share between her and Johnson, and neither are very self respecting.
 
Has everyone read this pile of shit yet?
Boris Johnson: What is the PM's relationship with the truth?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56624437
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So what does this tell us about the prime minister's relationship with the truth?
First, the benign interpretation of how the PM operates. One insider who knows him well says it is simply "unfair and easy to cry 'liar', as the opposition has done".
"He's far more complex and strategic and people don't give him credit for how calculating and clever he is."
Another source told me Mr Johnson has a "genuinely selective memory" and that "'I choose to remember certain things or not remember others'" is his default way of dealing with the pressures of life at No 10.
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He doesn't lie but he does something that's like lying because he's got a tough job and has to make difficult decisions.

No prizes for guessing who the writer of the piece is.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Has everyone read this pile of shit yet?



He doesn't lie but he does something that's like lying because he's got a tough job and has to make difficult decisions.

No prizes for guessing who the writer of the piece is.
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I’ve paid some more attention to her recently.

She’s quite the trip.
 
Her reputation is in the gutter. Truly awful journalist. Even her colleagues think she's tarnished her credibility.
 
Adisa said:
Her reputation is in the gutter. Truly awful journalist. Even her colleagues think she's tarnished her credibility.
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Peter Osbourne’s assessment of her and Peston was absolutely clinical.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Has everyone read this pile of shit yet?



He doesn't lie but he does something that's like lying because he's got a tough job and has to make difficult decisions.

No prizes for guessing who the writer of the piece is.
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There's been a lot written about his lying over the past few days.
I can easily believe he does actually believe his own bullshit. Not sure how much of it is him being a compulsive liar, a dishonest crook or a sociopath.
The people defending it as 'priced in' with him are as bad as he is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-pile-up-against-boris-johnson-does-it-matter
 
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