feck me, even Gideon has stopped using this bollocks.
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Maybot's still using it as her go-to rebuttal in PMQ's, week in week out.
Corbyn "The government is doing X wrong"
Maybot "WHATABOUT THE LAST GOVERNMENT"
I rest my case.
Typical response lol. Say what you want about Labour but at least they're not heartless cnuts who abandon the disabled people in this country and believe me I've seen that first hand. Also, how's the NHS doing under the tories? Not looking too good. There's about two qualified doctors at my local GP the rest are un-trained junior doctors on the bare minimum wage. Hospitals across the country under staffed. Police force and public service in general has been cut massively. The country is a fecking mess and in a bigger mess than it ever was under Blair/Brown.
Corbyn and Labour should wipe the floor with the conservatives whenever the next election is called. But knowing this country the conservatives will some how pull good numbers despite being an absolute laughing stock.
I am not a big fan of JC. Having said that, I cant see how he can possibly be worse than Maybot, Boris, Davies, Fox, Patel the genius and co. As an outsider myself its pretty much evident to me that the Tory government is in a civil war and because of it the country is currently without any form of effective government. For the good sake of the country and even the Tory party itself the earlier this government is put out of its misery the better.
The Tory Government is GOP-Lite these days. Their only interest is serving the elites. Absolutely toxic.
People who spout that Labour will run the country into the ground, what tangible benefits do you experience with the current Tory government? Because millions are getting fecked and it needs to stop.
I never understood how anyone whose not old or rich can vote for the Tory Party but that's irrelevant at this point in time. The UK needs a strong hand to stir the ship out of the EU and yet all they got is a weak Tory Party on borrowing time whose only way to remain in government is to keep all factions (Remainers, Brexiters, DUP etc) happy enough not to pull the trigger. That's not possible considering that the party is an open civil war.
For the good sake of the country this government must be put out of his misery. The UK needs to have a dependable PM with a clear vision about the future and with enough support to be able to stick to that vision (irrespective what that vision is). As Barnier said, its impossible to seal a trade deal when you've got 3-4 negotiators all having a contradicting vision of the future.
Its also within the Tory party interest to leave now. Brexit is the Tory party creature. They gave it birth (ie referendum promise), they nurtured it (Boris/Gove/Davis defection) and they made it their own baby. Those who were against it had to either fall in line by converting to it or leave politics for good and be branded as quitters.
If shite hits fan and the Tory Party is still in government than they will get the full blame. On the other hand if they leave before Brexit happens than they can pass this hot potato to the labour party who will then share part of the blame. No one is more expert in the blaming game than the Tory Party.
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Europe has always split the Tory party going back decades and they are again in turmoil over it.
Cameron tried to deal with it so that they could move on, but never expected the British public to be so stupid/racist. Massive error of judgement.
Cameron tried to deal with it so that they could move on, but never expected the British public to be so stupid/racist. Massive error of judgement.
There are now more homeless people than the population of Newcastle. The country is morally bankrupt.
Something something corporate cash hidden in tax havens something something.
Gove and Johnson have sent a pretend-secret letter to May about their Brexit concerns. So much for keeping from pissing into the tent.
First Patel, then Boris and now Gove. Its seems to me that any Brexiteer whose in the inner core of power and whose young enough to want to survive the Brexit fallout are working extremely hard to abandon the ship before it sinks.
Yes, they've set the house on fire and suddenly find themselves drenched in gasoline.
The likes of Davies (68) and May (61) don't mind their career going into tatters in 2-3 years time. Yet Boris, Gove, Patel, Rees-Mogg, Hannan and co must make sure that they can survive this mess and fight for another day. The latter two are lucky not to be in the inner core of power and therefore cannot be blamed for the mess Brexit caused. The others have to work their way out of it before its too late.
Career politicians and rich businessmen going into politics is what is ruining the western world.
Hannan is up to his eyeballs in Brexit, no way he dodges responsibility.
I agree with this.
He is in Brexit but he's not doing the negotiations himself. He can easily dodge it by insisting that Brexit was a great idea but the negotiations that followed were crap. That's what the likes of Gove, Patel and Boris are aiming at. They want to distance themselves from the Tory government whose conducting the negotiations while being careful not to be seen as rats fleeing the same sinking ship they have just sunk.
We’re broke mate.
Of course it’d be so so nice to have lots of nice social plans and all that - but, we’re broke.
Boris - PM
Gove - Chancellor
Patel - Foreign Secretary
Inevitable if May steps down IMO, mark this tweet!
Gove - Chancellor
Patel - Foreign Secretary
Inevitable if May steps down IMO, mark this tweet!
The national economy is not like a household budget ffs. If the economy is bad, thats EXACTLY the time you need to pump in huge amounts of investment to kickstart business and spending and protect the people suffering unemployment or other economic problems. You try and cut back on spending when the country is doing the best, so you can build a reserve ready for the next time things go to shit.
The Tories don't understand the first part, and Labour don't get the second. Right now though, Labour are exactly what are needed to rescue the economy from this insanity of 'austerity'.
Fair point - can’t say I disagree philosophically.
However what it means from a financial perspective, I am not sure (ie what the potential adverse reactions to that would be etc), I hope the Govt of the day knows and therefore acts accordingly, but I have lost faith tbh!
I can't say I have any faith left. There was a time when at least we could rely on the civil service injecting some reality, but it just seems like the government ignore them any time they dare to disagree.
Beyond a mess
It's worth saying it's going to be incredibly hard for Labour to introduce their policies, there will pushback by possibly business's but more likely the civil service. Winning power is the easy part for Labour.
Hunt will never leave/be sacked.
Boris' dad is going on I'm a Celebrity
Boris' dad is going on I'm a Celebrity
That's a horror show.
Boris has apologised wholeheartedly to Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe and her family for his role in...only joking, he's apologising IF he's "inadvertently caused them any further anguish"
I could dig up the figures (but am too lazy) to show that we were brassick when the NHS was created along with a whole lot more good stuff. Austerity is a fraud; a political stunt (pun intended).
At least we'll see a change in the BBC, as they seem to support the party in power while holding the opposition to account. ;/
Yeah that's a fair point too.
I do think society is down an awful path where the rich get richer and the poor can hardly keep up. Sad really.
This has me horrified (granted it's world wide):
- half of the world's wealth belongs to the top 1%,
- top 10% of adults hold 85%, while the bottom 90% hold the remaining 15% of the world's total wealth,
- top 30% of adults hold 97% of the total wealth.
Can someone summarize at novice level what Patel did?
Had multiple meetings with Israeli officials, including Netanyahu, without disclosing them. Then lied about them.
Thanks. Were sensitive topics discussed during these meetings, or is the resignation over the mere lying?
It was likely an attempt by the government to bypass the foreign office (and Boris Johnson) in making deals with Israel. Possibly agreeing to some kind of FTA since the UK can't do that alone while still in the EU. It's hard to believe she was acting alone and without approval from the PM's office. The resignation was because Theresa May is effectively powerless against her cabinet, under normal circumstances Patel would have been fired.
Problem is that the government say we're 'broke' and yet will easily find money when they want to do something that suits them. See May's magic money tree comments followed by throwing a billion to the DUP so the Tories could obtain power.
We are? Boy I wish I was so broke I could afford to spend the best part of £400m doing up a house.