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Not been following the story too closely from across the pond, but I don’t get it. Seems like she was an ex-BBC and ex-Reuters journo in Iran (for how long?) with her kids. And there’s a debate about whether she was on holiday vs meant to be on holiday but was actually also training local Journos?
Basically Boris said she was training journalists when she was actually just over there on holiday. Putting her into more danger.
But we don’t actually know who’s correct. Am I right?
Or ppl think Boris should just have gone along with her defence?
He's the foreign secretary. He's not meant to say things that put British citizens in foreign prisons.
Got it.
But there IS the potential likelihood that she MIGHT’VE been a tad naughty? Or has that been thoroughly debunked?
Irrespective of whether or not Boris is correct, he didn't know whether she was or not and saying she was without evidence has put her into more danger.
I’ll say the same thing that I say to my stepson when he runs across the road without looking and tells me “but I didn’t get hit by a car”; being right doesn’t mean what you did wasn’t stupid.
Ok makes sense, so even a ‘we’re not sure, we’re trying to find out’ would’ve been much better than actually taking a side to ‘she was’ or ‘she wasn’t’?
(Obv a plain ‘she wasn’t’ might’ve helped her, but at what cost re UK-Iran trust if it came out Boris misled them)
There's the potential likelihood that you might be currently cracking one off to a photo of Trump, but the burden of proof isn't on you to debunk it.
She was visiting her family with her young kid, and was arrested, charged and sentenced for "trying to topple the Iranian regime", despite no evidence being forthcoming.
Johnson and Gove, being the self-important tosspots with delusions of grandeur that they are, are currently doing their best to increase her sentence.
Ahh ok now that makes sense, got it!
Agreed, so Iran obv needs to show the proof of her misdemeanours if they believe them to be true, but guessing tht hasn’t happened yet.
Basically Boris should’ve said: ‘as far as we are concerned she was there on holiday, Iran are accusing them of something else, but have provided no proof of it and I will push them for a resolution asap’ or something like that.
Why did Boris literally take Iran’s side?! (Rhetorical). Bit silly (unless he has access to info behind the scenes and let slip).
All he had to say was 'To the best of our knowledge she was there on a family holiday, and to date the Iranian government have provided no evidence to contradict this. As such we call for her immediate release.' or something like that. It was actually much harder for him to feck the whole thing up, than it was to just use the same language diplomats have used for generations.
Only benefit of it all going to shit is that the Tories can't push through any backward policies, likely until they lose the nest election. No progress, but I would have taken that when the last election was called.
Makes sense, thank you.
Yeah, we're almost functioning without a government at this point to a certain extent...Tories are basically hamstrung on just about everything and are more concerned with their own petty conflicts than governing the country.
Jeez Gove and Johnson really are z grade politicians aren't they. This is the sort of thing I might expect from a local councillor or someone in student politics not from current or former ministers of state.
Clearly anyone with any brains is staying out of this febrile omnishambles of a government.
Clearly anyone with any brains is staying out of this febrile omnishambles of a government.
Omnishambles is an absolutely terrific word, has to be said.
From bean to cup, they feck up
Don't they need 48 or is it 50 to trigger a leadership contest?
Think Boris and the British government have been handed evidence that has been verified that shows she was there to teach journalism.
Still a huge balls u and Boris was reckless to admit this info publicly and should resign.
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Perhaps, but yeah, terrible feck-up either way. If things go south any further keeping him in his position may be untenable, irregardless of the consequences for May.
I strongly believe Boris is trying to get sacked so he can sit on the sidelines during Brexit and then pitch himself as the Tory saviour when the mess is at the feet of the cabinet.
I sort of believe this, but then I also do think he's just a bit thick and inept and can't stop himself from saying stupid stuff.
First of all, what Johnson said might actually be true.
Nevertheless, the problem here is the raving loonies running Iran. In any 'normal' country who gives a feck if someone is a journalism teacher.
Nevertheless, the problem here is the raving loonies running Iran. In any 'normal' country who gives a feck if someone is a journalism teacher.
Key word there Colin and considering he already knew who was running Iran and the fact he's supposed to be a diplomat, you think he might have thought about the consequences his words have and chosen them a little more carefully.
Well yeah...but our foreign secretary should known what Iran are like and should know how to deal with them.
That's a problem that we cannot control. We can't control what other countries are like. What we should be able to control is whether or not our foreign secretary is a moron or not.
Yeah, 48 I think. I hope she stays to lead the Tories into the next GE - ASAP.
I think they will keep her to pin a bad brexit deal on her then bin her...
Almost certainly followed by massive tax cuts and a new leader (and probably another conservative election win... i just hope its not boris )
Labour will almost certainly win the next election considering the whole Brexit mess but I'm not sure they'll necessarily want to be in power before 2019. The Tories are hamstrung on introducing policy already and will inevitably feck up Brexit and leave everyone unhappy.
Odds for Labour 10/11 at the moment, very very, slight favourites. Given a week is a long time and all that, I'm certainly not betting yet.
I'd want a GE and Labour government tomorrow. They would deliver brexit-light.
And bankrupt the country again
Because as we know, the conservative western governments avoided the global financial crisis. What a load of shit.
At least they didn't purposefully ruin the lives of disabled people like your precious boyfriends.
Remember when the Labour party took the UK on the stupidest political ride of the century to solve internal debates? No? Me neither, because they fecking didn't.
On Brexit, Ian Hislop says Johnson is the arsonist who wants to come back as a fire-fighter. I don't think his foot-in-mouth moment was planned but the other stuff he is up to is done with the intention of getting sacked from the cabinet. May knows this and that is why he remains.