Westminster Politics

vodrake said:
Hundreds of thousands of voters now completely disenfranchised and without representation due to their MP being required to shield by the governments own rules

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Has somebody done a calculation that shows that those who can't be present are good for the cons to be out of Parliament?
 
Grinner said:
Has somebody done a calculation that shows that those who can't be present are good for the cons to be out of Parliament?
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I don't think it's so much about that as the Tories have such a majority, it's more that Rees-Mogg thinks of democracy in a performative public schoolboy way, and that the Tories need their jeering backbenchers back at PMQs.
 
Kentonio said:
Why would he abandon the idea? He’d have just won with an even bigger majority.
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I hadn't thought of that.
Silly me, I expected MPs to consider the bigger picture.
 
The vote has actually gone to show how chaotic and dumb the process is, highlighted 25+ Tory rebels and didn't give Rees-Mogg the opportunity to say MPs weren't doing their job. It hopefully won't last much longer.
 
Ubik said:
I don't think it's so much about that as the Tories have such a majority, it's more that Rees-Mogg thinks of democracy in a performative public schoolboy way, and that the Tories need their jeering backbenchers back at PMQs.
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His stance on this is basically a perfect encapsulation of old-fashioned Conservatism - the belief that 'the old ways' have so much intrinsic value that upholding them is more important than society actually working.
 
i'd hate to be one of the people who really believed a conservative PM known for his hedonism having the rona will make him more compassionate rather than going "sweeeeeeet i can't get it anymore"
 
Ubik said:
I don't think it's so much about that as the Tories have such a majority, it's more that Rees-Mogg thinks of democracy in a performative public schoolboy way, and that the Tories need their jeering backbenchers back at PMQs.
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You never know, this may just lead to a slew of by-elections. After this, anything could happen.
 
The "we need to lead by example" is the terrible line they were told to spin to the media on this.

So employers should presumably discriminate against those shielding and purposefully remove effective safeguards put in place for covid? Madness

I suppose on the positive side it's nice to see them doing something incompetent rather than just evil for a change.
 
Silva said:
i'd hate to be one of the people who really believed a conservative PM known for his hedonism having the rona will make him more compassionate rather than going "sweeeeeeet i can't get it anymore"
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It wasn’t even the most absurd idea, the worst was that having his 5/6/7/8th kid to ignore would prompt some sort of Damascene conversion from a feckless cnut to doting, compassionate father.

And, we can only imagine how the press would have treated a woman MP mothering another child to her married lover, and considered her inability to give a straightforward answer to the number of kids she has as merely a quirk of character.
 
BobbyManc said:


We already knew this was the case but it's another piece of evidence for when the government wants to pretend it never pursued such a senseless and costly approach to dealing with the virus.
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When this is over there will be a large body of evidence documenting the UK governments gross negligence in how they dealt with covid.
 
Smores said:
The "we need to lead by example" is the terrible line they were told to spin to the media on this.

So employers should presumably discriminate against those shielding and purposefully remove effective safeguards put in place for covid? Madness

I suppose on the positive side it's nice to see them doing something incompetent rather than just evil for a change.
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Amazing they can say this and keep a straight face after the utter shambles BoJo and his evil bunch of clowns have inflicted on the UK.

Like Trump, I half expect someone to shout "suprise" and reveal it all as a bad practical joke.
 
Wibble said:
So Brexit not only means Brexit but it also apparently means mass migration from Hong Kong. Bet the UKIP mob love this development.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ange-immigration-rules-for-hong-kong-citizens
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There's not much Boris does that I don't disagree with, but if China really continues on the path it's been on recently this surely is to be welcomed? They won't all want to anyway, but those with the most reason to fear for their future in HK could leave based on their own assessment.
 
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Abizzz said:
There's not much Boris does that I don't disagree with, but if China really continues on the path it's been on recently this surely is to be welcomed? They won't all want to anyway, but those with the most reason to fear for their future in HK could leave based on their on assesment.
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It actually sounds like a sensible idea but it goes against what many leave voters think they voted for.
 
Grinner said:
Do Bexiteers hate Chinese immigrants or is just the really dark ones?
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That's a toughie. Obviously the dark ones are top of the list, but yer white europeans who talk funny can be hard to spot. You have to hear them speak before you can hate them properly. I'm not racist, I like a good sweet'n'sour now and again as much as the next bloke, but I shouldn't have to listen to Chinese on the bus. And muslims have death rays..... etc,etc,etc ad feckin nauseam
 
Flying high said:
3: Told us 113 people died the day lockdown was relaxed

4: It was actually 556, the highest for a month


Has this been confirmed now? Last I heard, it wasn't clear when the extra 400+ were from.
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Is there really anyone in the UK who actually believes a single word or so called fact that the government presents at their daily briefing.
Or should we give it its correct term, daily bullsh1t.

It is just lie after lie and of zero value. Apart from to die hard Tories who are dim enough to lap it all up.

I have long stopped watching it.
The only hard fact is that the UK officially has the worst death rate in the world.
Full story.
 
Boris got battered again by Starmer, however, Starmer still really needs to fully KO him
 
Johnson doesn't look good or at least certain very disheveled. And he is just taking charge now? Oh dear.
 
Keir has had Boris' number at every PMQ's, he just doesn't know how to deal with him... then again someone who waffles and lies really doesn't stand a chance against someone who is obsessed with the details.
 
Not one to read the Dail Mail, but doesn't look good for Boris when it appears they've turned on him in recent weeks.
 
Why has BJ offered people in HK a path to citizenship? I thought the Tories were supposed to be against immigration.
 
freeurmind said:
Why has BJ offered people in HK a path to citizenship? I thought the Tories were supposed to be against immigration.
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Projecting strength via "standing up to China" trumps projecting strength via tough immigration policy. And they'll argue they only wanted control, and letting them in is in their control, should they choose to do so.
I'm starting to think China might not actually mind, if they wanted HK for it's more independently minded people they wouldn't be acting in the way they are.
 
Its getting painful watching Johnson in PMQs at the mo, like someone dying in a job interview. His waffle makes him look like he's stupid and his faked outrage at Starmer's "attacks" are too obviously contrived. I dont really see how things are going to get any better for him either.
 
Abizzz said:
Projecting strength via "standing up to China" trumps projecting strength via tough immigration policy. And they'll argue they only wanted control, and letting them in is in their control, should they choose to do so.
I'm starting to think China might not actually mind, if they wanted HK for it's more independently minded people they wouldn't be acting in the way they are.
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There's a lot of talent in HK across many sectors. It will be a brain drain for China and win in that regard for the UK.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
There's a lot of talent in HK across many sectors. It will be a brain drain for China and win in that regard for the UK.
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No doubt. It might be one China is willing to take though if it makes it easier to rule HK in their fashion/interests.
 
Is it true he’s wearing an earpiece too?

Imagine how his fans would use that against a Labour leader.
 
VeevaVee said:
Is it true he’s wearing an earpiece too?

Imagine how his fans would use that against a Labour leader.
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I suspected he did have one is his recent briefings too. There was an incident when he misspoke and onky corrected himself at a weird time as if he had been prompted.
 
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