Westminster Politics

Hephaestus said:


So the government will likely claim that the lack of action proves he didn't break the rules because nothing matters to these cnuts.
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indeed - the police have investigated the matter and decided it warrants no further action - now lets focus on important things like driving the economy off the cliff in the hardest brexit possible (that should distract people from the CV19 death toll for a month or so)
 
A test and trace analogy:

'Today we launch this world-beating new car! Unfortunately, it has no wheels, can't start, and we've no idea where drivers can find it'.
 
Adisa said:
BBC owe Maitlis an apology.
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Absolutely.
sun_tzu said:
indeed - the police have investigated the matter and decided it warrants no further action - now lets focus on important things like driving the economy off the cliff in the hardest brexit possible (that should distract people from the CV19 death toll for a month or so)
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They'll keep using the test and trace system as a distraction for a few days before coming up with a new distraction when everyone realises they've fecked that up as well.
 
"He only broke the rules in a minor way" doesn't have the same ring as "he broke no rules", particularly when Ferguson went despite warranting no further police action.
 
Hephaestus said:


So the government will likely claim that the lack of action proves he didn't break the rules because nothing matters to these cnuts.
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Lock up everybody breaking government advice and social distancing rules and and automatic life ban from politics I say
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sun_tzu said:
Lock up everybody breaking government advice and social distancing rules and and automatic life ban from politics I say
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That looks like single use plastic.
 
Corbyn's trying to stare you out. And no wonder.
 
sullydnl said:


Just ignoring what the police said about the other trip. :lol:
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The wording on all that is so carefully chosen. The accusation isn't that he broke the law but the guidance and the police not taking it further means nothing because they won't in 99% of cases as fines are a last resort.

The strategy is clearly to mix the message between the reasonable excuse clause in the bill and the general guidance. Whilst the guidance steers the enforcement of the law breaking the former isn't illegal.
 
SteveJ said:
There are never any consequences, mate, and I guess that's the fundamental problem and why the likes of Hancock feel free to be blasé.
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Yep, that is depressing, particularly the way people will rationalise things, like my mother saying: 'Oh well they all lie anyway' etc...Also the apparent belief in the DM comment section that the UK's corona death numbers look so bad because all other countries are lying and covering up their deaths. The belief in British exceptionalism is unshakeable in many quarters.
 
So Boris, it can no longer be a question of public opinion now can it? It's there in black and white. He broke the rules.
 
Why do the police feel the need to stress "minor breach"? It's a breach.

In totally unrelated news, does anyone remember that minor burglary at Hatton Garden?
 
Jippy said:
The belief in British exceptionalism is unshakeable in many quarters.
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Added to that is a kind of fear, I think. A fear of being honest with ourselves about the shady behaviour of our politicians, and a refusal to admit that many of them are - to some extent or other - corrupt(ed) or at best frequently dishonest. At the extreme best, there are too many pure careerists amongst them.
 
Pink Moon said:
Why do the police feel the need to stress "minor breach"? It's a breach.

In totally unrelated news, does anyone remember that minor burglary at Hatton Garden?
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I think the Durham police's reaction to this incident - or more specifically, to the government making out that they're essentially liars - speaks of a mild protest by the police.
 
There was a Barack who was a renowned military commander in olden days. No doubt this would be the in first resort of excuses if an explanation was sought.
 
Adisa said:
"Minor breach", the fecker drove to Durham ffs.
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Minor breach in Durham notes by Durham police. Breaches in every county he stopped. Major and absolute breaches in London.

The mans not got a leg to stand on. Also, his wife needs to be named in every single article. She’s more culpable than he is. No idea why she’s getting a free ride.

They are both terrible people.
 
Laura K really doesn't help herself, or perhaps she simply doesn't care: she's tweeted that Cummings 'might' have broken lockdown regulations when the actual police conclusion is that they 'might' have chosen to intervene.
 
Vidyoyo said:
Genuine question, is there any other country in Europe as prone to elitism as the UK?

I'm thinking it might be a genuine problem that we breed those that govern us.
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Britain is far more class orientated vs the continent, from what I can tell. Every country has their aristocracy to a degree but Britain seems to be the only one where it’s so engrained in public discourse and consciousness. E.g. accents are not only a regional identifier but also lead to generalisations of upbringing and therefore wealth.

On my dutch side of the family this is far less prevalent.
 
SteveJ said:
Added to that is a kind of fear, I think. A fear of being honest with ourselves about the shady behaviour of our politicians, and a refusal to admit that many of them are - to some extent or other - corrupt(ed) or at best frequently dishonest. At the extreme best, there are too many pure careerists amongst them.
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British politics has always had inherent corruption and immorality at its core. In true British fashion, illegality is acceptable so long as the person committing has a posh accent, is gentle and polite: the colonial era of the empire was conducted with the utmost of grace and good manners.

You see that in modern day with people like BJ and Gove, telling barefaced lies under high pressured scrutiny. And yet always affable, polite and never lose their cool. It's one of the key social skills required to pull off such charades, taught at a very early age.
 
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sammsky1 said:
British politics has always had inherent corruption and immorality at its core. In true British fashion, illegality is acceptable so long the person committing has a posh accent, is gentle and polite: the colonial era of the empire was conducted with the utmost of grace and good manners.

You see that in modern day with people like BJ and Gove, telling barefaced lies under high pressured scrutiny. And yet always affable, polite and never lose their cool. It's one of the key social skills required to pull off such charades, taught at a very early age.
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I've mentioned this before but...it was drummed into me at school that the British were 'the best' at everything from governing to military endeavours, from honest and selfless public service to objective justice. In contrast, other countries' peoples were framed as, effectively, a disorganised and corrupted idle rabble. And my school wasn't strict or authoritarian at all - far from it. And despite what I just wrote, I saw very little sign of racism or 'casual' xenophobia there either. So I wonder how widespread across Britain this kind of 'teaching' was.
 
SteveJ said:
Laura K really doesn't help herself, or perhaps she simply doesn't care: she's tweeted that Cummings 'might' have broken lockdown regulations when the actual police conclusion is that they 'might' have chosen to intervene.
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That's not actually true, it does say 'might'.

 
Jippy said:
That's not actually true, it does say 'might'.

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To be fair I can forgive Laura making this mistake as anyone without a legal background such as myself would likely interpret that ‘might’ differently, but then again, it is her job to do a little research and it’s another “mistake” that conveniently favours one side once more
 
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