Westminster Politics

Anyone who knows about this Bill knows what Yvette Cooper is voting for it?

Sounds like Labour’s policy is to abstain on the first reading, but Cooper’s proposed amendments which if not adopted Labour will then vote against it at a further reading.
 
I'm hyper critical of Boris and disagree with almost everything the tories do but the push to get homeless off the street during this pandemic deserves some praise. It will have helped loads of people gain some stability and maybe given them a path back into society (and saved loads of lives). This short guardian podcast about it is worth a listen. Obviously it all has the potential to go south when the lockdown is over but lets hope it doesn't and even if it does it might have given some a chance they might not otherwise have had. Having a roof over your head and a door you can lock at your will does wonders for mental health.
 
I'm hyper critical of Boris and disagree with almost everything the tories do but the push to get homeless off the street during this pandemic deserves some praise. It will have helped loads of people gain some stability and maybe given them a path back into society (and saved loads of lives). This short guardian podcast about it is worth a listen. Obviously it all has the potential to go south when the lockdown is over but lets hope it doesn't and even if it does it might have given some a chance they might not otherwise have had. Having a roof over your head and a door you can lock at your will does wonders for mental health.


Hundreds of homeless people who had been put up in hotels during the coronavirus pandemic must now be moved out after ministers quietly pulled the plug on the programme, the M.E.N. can reveal.

Civil servants have told Greater Manchester officials that the scheme - known as ‘Everyone In’ - is no longer being funded by central government and that March's original Covid guidance to local authorities has been scrapped.


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The leader of the biggest teachers' trade union has issued a ultimatum to school heads across England and Wales - keep schools closed or face legal action. Kevin Courtney, who leads the National Education Union (NEU), which represents 450,000 teachers and other school staff, told BBC Breakfast's Naga Munchetty that they would sue school chiefs if they followed Prime Minister Boris Johnson's plan to reopen schools starting in the first week of June.

I mean that was announced I think a day after they said they wanted to re-open schools so hardly collaberativly engaging in finding the safest way to re-open is it - is that not trying to influence (get a grip) on the political process?

Surely the key has to be safety - and as with any workplace that discussion should involve staff but the aim must be to re-open as soon as it is safe to do so
 
Battered by Starmer again.

Boris really is a fecking cnut.
 
Good to see Sir Keir getting on board with the increasingly universal adoption of the hierarchy of deserving migrants.

Please check the board to see if your job is key enough to not pay a surcharge on top of your NI contributions.
 
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I mean that was announced I think a day after they said they wanted to re-open schools so hardly collaberativly engaging in finding the safest way to re-open is it - is that not trying to influence (get a grip) on the political process?

Surely the key has to be safety - and as with any workplace that discussion should involve staff but the aim must be to re-open as soon as it is safe to do so



Yes, ‘the key has to be safety’, hence the union’s objections to the present government plans. Or are we suggesting unions should abrogate their responsibility at such a critical time and just acquiesce to government plans without scrutiny?
 


Yes, ‘the key has to be safety’, hence the union’s objections to the present government plans. Or are we suggesting unions should abrogate their responsibility at such a critical time and just acquiesce to government plans without scrutiny?

I'm suggesting coming on national news only a few hours after the government announce reopening and saying you will sue them before you have any details isn't putting safety first (as they should) its playing politics (badly)
 
I'm suggesting coming on national news only a few hours after the government announce reopening and saying you will sue them before you have any details isn't putting safety first (as they should) its playing politics (badly)

Isn't that just a reflection of them not being engaged prior to the announcement? It's the hard date that was the issue not the intention of opening again at some point.

They seem to have conceded on that hard date so the unions have done their job.
 
Good to see Sir Keir getting on board with the increasingly universal adoption of the hierarchy of deserving migrants.

Please check the board to see if your job is key enough to not pay a surcharge on top of your NI contributions.

Or that the job you are doing is now classed as Low Skilled.
 
I'm suggesting coming on national news only a few hours after the government announce reopening and saying you will sue them before you have any details isn't putting safety first (as they should) its playing politics (badly)

And the government announcement was putting safety first, was it, and not playing politics (badly)? If he doesn’t have any details, I think the conclusion you draw from that is why is the government making the announcement without consulting the unions then.

The excerpt from the interview is also misleading, as I fully expected. He did not threaten to sue, he was asked explicitly if he felt that if teachers were put at risk in a classroom, could it lead to the government being sued. He answered yes. Would you expect the leader of the union to say ‘no, we will not use the law to protect my union members if necessary’. These points shouldn’t really need explaining but apparently they do.
 
Battered by Starmer again.

Boris really is a fecking cnut.

That is why they want a return to a full HoC.
Nothing to do with safety.
All to do with supporting their darling Boris.

I thought that Starmer was very restrained when Boris kept calling him ignorant.

Being called ignorant is far more preferable, Boris than actually being a liar.
 
That is why they want a return to a full HoC.
Nothing to do with safety.
All to do with supporting their darling Boris.

I thought that Starmer was very restrained when Boris kept calling him ignorant.

Being called ignorant is far more preferable, Boris than actually being a liar.
I actually think if starmer deals with it well pointing out that the conservatives are busy yaaaaa booooing like children whilst people are dying will work well for him (provided his own side can resist the urge to join in the pantomime)
 
Any NHS staff affected by the above should go on strike now.
 
in the middle of a pandemic... without a ballot?

In the middle of the pandemic they're being told to essentially feck off.

The Government give zero fecks about them, this is the time they have most leverage.
 
In the middle of the pandemic they're being told to essentially feck off.

The Government give zero fecks about them, this is the time they have most leverage.
so they should basically say we are going to break the law to risk peoples lives till you change the law to suit us ... thats pretty much blackmail.
 
In the middle of the pandemic they're being told to essentially feck off.

The Government give zero fecks about them, this is the time they have most leverage.

Unfortunately, a lot of NHS staff care too much what the public think and the Government were far better at PR the last time someone in the NHS tried to pipe up (the junior doctors, who've ended up having a shitty contract imposed on them).

I'm not sure what it is about the system in the UK (perhaps the fact its completely state owned) but there is a bit of a taboo about pay weirdly. Both for HC workers bringing it up and seemingly a lot of members of the public find it weird too.

I've worked in Australia and in a few countries across South America. I've got friends who work in Canada/ USA/ NZ. There really are no qualms, you work and you get paid for the work you do. Its so strange here.
 
As for the above, I'm not even slightly surprised. They have also kept the NHS surcharge in for HCWs from abroad too, which is paid above their normal taxes and NI contributions too.

Utter scum.
 
I actually think if starmer deals with it well pointing out that the conservatives are busy yaaaaa booooing like children whilst people are dying will work well for him (provided his own side can resist the urge to join in the pantomime)

Yes.
He has already shown himself to be highly professional.
And as you say, that professionalism has to be shown by the rest of the party.
 
so they should basically say we are going to break the law to risk peoples lives till you change the law to suit us ... thats pretty much blackmail.

And this is why workers rights have stagnated as they have. We all go on about shitty working conditions and bullshit like this but then as soon as people suggest we do something about it, they're the ones who get villified.

Need a but of the French workers spirit, they ow how to do a strike properly. Understanding that what they're fighting for is far greater than the inconvenience they cause.
 
This is genuinely infuriating. You want to see frontline NHS staff paid properly, while your party has overseen a real term drop in salary of up to 30% for NHS staff. You want to invest in the NHS...as your party has gutted it.

Doesn't answer the question, does the usual look around to his troops as he's answering...when there are no troops, which just makes it look so ridiculous.

Idiot.

 
Watched some of PMQs and it really is technical versus bluster. I just wonder whether Starmer has the oomph to carry it through, it's not a court of law and bullshit does travel in the house
 
so they should basically say we are going to break the law to risk peoples lives till you change the law to suit us ... thats pretty much blackmail.

Yet on the previous page you had a problem with a trade union leader acknowledging that the law protected workers from being put at risk. Now you are clutching your pearls at the suggestion workers should break the law.
 
so they should basically say we are going to break the law to risk peoples lives till you change the law to suit us ... thats pretty much blackmail.

Yes, its best to do this kind of thing when you have most leverage....remember, these people have done nothing wrong, they're heroes.
 
Yet on the previous page you had a problem with a trade union leader acknowledging that the law protected workers from being put at risk. Now you are clutching your pearls at the suggestion workers should break the law.
For a strike to be legal does it not have to have a compliant ballot rather than people simply walking out (leaving essential medical services unstaffed in a pandemic for an added bonus i guess)