Westminster Politics

Adisa said:
Next Tory leader.
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I think his viewpoint is ridiculous, but I have no real problem with this. He clearly acknowledges he is a minority and isn't looking for state law to change to reflect his own moral views. If only the world had a bit more of that.
 
IWat said:
I think his viewpoint is ridiculous, but I have no real problem with this. He clearly acknowledges he is a minority and isn't looking for state law to change to reflect his own moral views. If only the world had a bit more of that.
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This view would hold more credence for me if he hadn't actively voted against things like same sex marriage. How is voting against it as an MP not wishing to impose your own moral views?
 
ZupZup said:
This view would hold more credence for me if he hadn't actively voted against things like same sex marriage. How is voting against it as an MP not wishing to impose your own moral views?
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You have a point. I guess what I meant is he isn't expecting/trying to get legislation proposed to change it, not that it would ever be passed. He voted against same sex marriage sure, lost by a huge margin and then moved on.
 
IWat said:
You have a point. I guess what I meant is he isn't expecting/trying to get legislation proposed to change it, not that it would ever be passed. He voted against same sex marriage sure, lost by a huge margin and then moved on.
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But what his voting record tells us is that he doesn't separate his religion from politics. By voting against same sex marriage he is trying to ensure that it doesn't happen... the fact it lost by a big margin is irrelevant, as if he had his way... it wouldn't have lost. You have a Muslim MP like Sadiq Khan who votes in favour of same sex marriage because he separates his religion from his politics. They are representing constituents of a secular country after all.
 
Slightly non-Westminster, but Scottish Labour leadership race should be interesting. Very much a centrist-leftist type debate again, with Sarwar probably likely to win out in the end considering he'll have a lot of Scottish party backing.
 
The interesting thing about Rees-Mogg is that he isn't actually stating his own personal beliefs, he's stating the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church which he is doctrinally obligated to follow.

Secondly, and this is what I have the real problem with, is the flippant nature of his response to the question about abortion following rape. If he had come out with something along the lines of the act of rape is horrific and the mother needs all the support and help she needs / the ability to offer the child for adoption etc but, as part of my religious beliefs, I belief that no matter the barbaric nature of the conception, a life has been created, I could have quite easily accepted it a an articulate argument for the point. But to simply come out with, "I'm afraid so." is borderline sickening! It shows a flagrant disregard for the anguish and torment a rape victim has gone through, almost like a Primary School teacher claiming, "Rules are rules!"

Once again it's not the belief that causes the offence but the pathetic attempts to explain it.
 
Yet more controversy from Morrissey.
 
ZupZup said:
But what his voting record tells us is that he doesn't separate his religion from politics. By voting against same sex marriage he is trying to ensure that it doesn't happen... the fact it lost by a big margin is irrelevant, as if he had his way... it wouldn't have lost. You have a Muslim MP like Sadiq Khan who votes in favour of same sex marriage because he separates his religion from his politics. They are representing constituents of a secular country after all.
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But then I guess you could argue that it's not like he hides it, his constituents know exactly what they are getting when they vote for him. I completely disagree with him on same sex marriage and in large parts on abortion. I guess my initial response was poorly phrased and thought through. I guess it's more the fact he gets given a straight question and gives an answer he must know is going to not be liked by a majority that I can appreciate, unlike most politicians who would attempt to side step the question etc.

Jericholyte2 said:
The interesting thing about Rees-Mogg is that he isn't actually stating his own personal beliefs, he's stating the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church which he is doctrinally obligated to follow.

Secondly, and this is what I have the real problem with, is the flippant nature of his response to the question about abortion following rape. If he had come out with something along the lines of the act of rape is horrific and the mother needs all the support and help she needs / the ability to offer the child for adoption etc but, as part of my religious beliefs, I belief that no matter the barbaric nature of the conception, a life has been created, I could have quite easily accepted it a an articulate argument for the point. But to simply come out with, "I'm afraid so." is borderline sickening! It shows a flagrant disregard for the anguish and torment a rape victim has gone through, almost like a Primary School teacher claiming, "Rules are rules!"

Once again it's not the belief that causes the offence but the pathetic attempts to explain it.
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Tbf I think the "I'm afraid so" was because he knew exactly how it was going to go down, like a lead balloon. Regardless of how he had presented the argument, it was going to be given exactly the same press coverage. He could have sat there for an hour in detail explaining his opinion and the headlines would still have been the same.
 
All that hope and change for a Tory :lol::lol::lol:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4868888/amp/Toppling-Theresa-s-political-book-year.html

Back at Tory headquarters, they receive an important phone call. It’s Obama. The former US President knew someone working on Labour’s campaign who told him Corbyn is going to lose 20 or 30 seats – not enough to force Corbyn out. Obama told a Tory friend to pass on an encouraging message: Labour are expecting to lose seats, meaning the Tory majority will go up. And the disastrous Corbyn is here to stay.
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I'm left wondering if the teacher still has their job. You would imagine that they faced disciplinary action.
 
That isn't the same Bob Stewart who is rather fond of torture is it? He's probably just pissed off that they use detention rather than waterboarding.

It took the sodding Daily Heil to actually attempt to do a bit of journalism on this...
The headteacher at the local school which Mr Stewart's son attends told the Mail Online in a statement: 'We are clearly very concerned about the statement made today by Bob Stewart MP.

'We have no record of any complaint of this nature from Mr Stewart or his family.

'We are, however, taking this matter very seriously, as such behaviour would be wholly unacceptable and not tolerated by the school.

'We hope to meet with Mr Stewart very soon to discuss the matter so we can establish the facts and take action as appropriate.'
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According to the Sun's article on the story, these proposals would lower the maximum that a uni can charge to £7,500. At present the highest amount is £9,250.
 
The Tories: The REAL party for students.

If you ignore them trebling the fees, abolishing the nurses’ bursary, scrapping maintenance grants and wanting to put fees up again last week.
 
On student loans, my statement came in a few weeks ago. Despite having repaying something every month in the last financial year, my total debt had actually gone up due to interest. Currently stands at circa £42k iirc.

The high fees surely just mean the government actually loses more money as people don't repay their loans in full.
 
IWat said:
I think his viewpoint is ridiculous, but I have no real problem with this. He clearly acknowledges he is a minority and isn't looking for state law to change to reflect his own moral views. If only the world had a bit more of that.
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I think you sort of have to question someone's judgment and leadership qualities based on their personal views, even if they don't want to force them on people. It's like when creationist Republicans say that not believing in evolution doesnt effect their ability to run a state/country.
 


On the face of it, a rather stupid use of language to say the least. What with Jo Cox's death less than 18-months ago and increased intimidation of MPs during the last GE campaign. Hopefully thre was some further elaboration with the Indy journo thought would detract from the story.
 
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On the face of it, a rather stupid use of language to say the least. What with Jo Cox's death less than 18-months ago and increased intimidation of MPs during the last GE campaign. Hopefully thre was some further elaboration with the Indy journo thought would detract from the story.
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Willsman should have said that he'd stab them in the front. That is the moderate approved statement.
 
2022: Comrade Cable expels revisionist traitor Corbyn in the GBSSR.

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I realise Alastair Campbell isn't a popular figure nowadays, whether you lean left or right, but I happen to appreciate him.

Anyway, there he is at conference playing 'Ode to Joy' on his bagpipes. Playing it very well too. Top man.
 


The complete bewilderment in Coburn's tone at the idea that the Tories might know the fruits of their labour and not give a feck. :lol: Though with Robbie Gibb recently being rewarded for his efforts with the Beeb, 'don't bite the hand that feeds' and all that.
 
Not strictly Westminster since Dougie Carswell bailed but here is UKIP's new logo:
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Apparently the party has done its due diligence regarding copyright issues but the choice is said to have piqued the ire of a certain sports league with which we're all familiar...
 
Irrespective of whether Boris is right or wrong I don't see how May can possibly avoid sacking him.
How can one cabinet member be allowed to publicly lay down conditions for Brexit whist the government is in mid-negotiation?
 
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