An opposition would want an election everyday because its their only chance of coming into power. They’re not accepting this because it’s clearly a power grabbing tactic by BoJo considering that an election means the dissolution of parliament 25 working days before the election date which means the government has absolute power and can do what it likes because judging by the leave campaign no one trusts them to respect the purdah rules and restrictions.
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An opposition would want an election everyday because its their only chance of coming into power. They’re not accepting this because it’s clearly a power grabbing tactic by BoJo considering that an election means the dissolution of parliament 25 working days before the election date which means the government has absolute power and can do what it likes because judging by the leave campaign no one trusts them to respect the purdah rules and restrictions.
Blah blah blah. That's all you're saying. Everyone knows that Corbyn is scared of Boris.
Or some shite like that. There you go, there's no need for him to respond to your post now
John MacDonnell? The single reason I won’t be voting labour any time soon.
but surely it is their job to seek power, and there is no other way to achieve that than an election.
bang on with the second point though! What the feck even are labour anymore since that communist backbencher took and refused to let go of power.
I honestly think Corbyn (who has always been a leaver) won’t pass the deal or any deal boris came up with because he knows that he is totally fecked come election if boris gets it through. That’s the state of politics at the moment.
Blah blah blah. That's all you're saying. Everyone knows that Corbyn is scared of Boris.
Or some shite like that. There you go, there's no need for him to respond to your post now
You’ve caught him
Have labour got an official position for the vote on Monday yet?
Support?... Seems unlikely but not impossible
Oppose?... Would they kick out MPs who voted for it
Free vote?
Abstain?
Abstaining would seem a strange option
Support?... Seems unlikely but not impossible
Oppose?... Would they kick out MPs who voted for it
Free vote?
Abstain?
Abstaining would seem a strange option
I assume they’re going to oppose it, allow MPs to abstain if they feel they need to but kick out anyone who supports it?
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But honestly lads, nobody could have done better.
Not sure Rebecca Wrong-Daily understands how corporation tax works
Not sure if she has grasped the concept of profit.
Is she still the momentum pick to take over from jezbollah
I think it's between Long-Bailey, Thornberry and Pidcock. Who I think are all fairly rubbish. McDonell said the next leader has to be a woman and I think it will be. Outside of those 3 I'm not too sure who else there is, Raynor perhaps?
Starmer?....on the basis it does not actually have to be a woman... Will depend how brexit plays out I think for his chances
I think thornberry is persona non Grata with the momentum mob after basically saying labour should be a remain party
I think Jess Phillips might be in the mix as well
Tbf, she can’t quote a profit figure, because they’ve moved the profit out of the U.K. jurisdiction via transfer pricing and other interco methods. That’s the whole point of the argument
I'm beginning to think Britain deserves Boris Johnson, the same way the US deserves Donald Trump.
I think it was a French *********** who said every nation gets the government it deserves. I'm inclined to agree.
Yup.
I'm not sure what you mean
In fairness this mostly shows how useless polling is.
Some are. Election polls are a snapshot of public opinion and current public opinion is that the Labour Party is a useless sack of shit.
The ones on Brexit are just funny and showed how important the framing of the question can be.
Well yeah but as you said its a snapshot of the current opinion, which can change and doesn't mean much outside of an election(Its not like Labour are 3-0 down at half time or whatever awful sports examples people used for politics)
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if you buy amazon's framing that they make their profits in <tax haven island> and not in the uk, i dont know what to tell you
I’m not disputing Amazon don’t pay enough tax. RLB comparing the amount of tax paid based on revenue though is daft.
Employee income isn't equivalent to profit as employees have overheads too such as housing, food, travel, utilities etc. Employees get taxed before these expenditures so the comparison between business income and employee salary is perfectly valid.
The party tends to poll better than the leadership
Boot Corbyn and put starmer in... Form a remain alliance with snp libs and greens
Could see them winning the election like that.
Clearly won't happen because of momentum thinking of starmer as a red Tory the libs are yellow Tories and the SNP as Scottish Tories
Only way to stop Johnson in a GE, but no way it happens unfortunately.
To momentum Marx was a bearded Tory.
If they're going down the root of talking about revenue then it's also disingenuous to ignore government VAT revenue on Amazon goods.
Im sure they will argue that people would simply have brought it from somewhere else and paid the same VAT - but the company they brought from would have paid more corporation tax
I don't necessarily subscribe to that view but it is a narrative I have heard before
I have not looked at the figures but i suspect when you account for
VAT
National insurance contributions
the PAYE tax of employees
Rates for their distribution centers
That they do overall contribute a whacking chunk of tax in the UK - plus the capital costs on data centers and distribution centers must be contributing massively to to construction center as well
I think people forget (or don't realise) that fundamentally consumers pay all taxes and therefore if you want Amazon to pay far more tax, then you're asking for their products to be far more expensive.
Making non luxury goods more expensive naturally affects the poorest in society the most.
The Lib dems will not form an alliance with Labour. I don't know how many times they need to say this before people accept it as fact.
Funny they were on radio five this morning about a people's vote alliance ... And of course all the other parties in favour of it formed one at the last by-election.
Seems to be more on labour than anybody else
I think a 5 year government won't happen but a short term pact to run an immediate referendum (EU leaked extension stipulates no further negotiations possible so Corbyn has to forget about his unicorns anyway)
The balls in labours court on that one but I suspect like last time they won't do it
They won't form an alliance with Corbyn.
Labour can't do it without passing motions to amend its rules i don't think.
Not much point agreeing to an election pact if you're then unwilling to form a government with those same parties. They've done the same thing for the last 3 leaders who were of course very different in policies so i have very little hope they'll suddenly change tune.
Or Milliband or Brown before....almost looks like a pattern you could draw a conclusion from.
Why should every other consumer subsidies amazon consumers? I'd bet a months income that the poorest spend less % of their pay on Amazon than the middle or upper classes do, so suggesting amazon paying taxes makes the poorest worse of is disingenuous. People just want amazon (And google etc.) to pay their fair share in the countries they operate in, like any other company, nothing more.
Rebecca Long-Bailey highlighted that amazon pays no significant taxes at all (the back four of united probably pay more in income tax than Amazon does in total). It would be fecking nice to use profits for it but that's impossible with a company explicitly constructed so one can't attribute profits to the markets where they are made. Hard to believe people are actually defending amazon here. They're a economical pariah.
this is 100% true - because Amazon (just like every other company) is not liable for income tax...
the Vat on £8.6bn sales would be around £1.7bn
(plus rates plus NI contributions etc)
Which is why I said in total. VAT is paid by the consumer, it's even explicitly listed on the receipt.
What point of Amazon does not pay the VAT don't you understand? It makes no difference to Amazon if VAT is 0, 5 or 20%. It does make a difference to amazon if they pay 0, 5 or 20% on profits. Amazon just collects the VAT for the exchequer.
Do you pay your income tax or does your employer pay your income tax?