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That's only even partially true if you believe that Amazon stimulates a greater demand and increases the size of the overall workforce. If Amazon crowds out other companies by paying lower corporation tax it obviously doesn't pay far more in VAT, fuel duties, NI, employent PAYE than those it surplants - it simply replaces them.
Good post. No idea why people are trying to argue against the idea that Amazon doesn’t pay it’s fair share... surely that’s simply an established fact by this point?
 
Good post. No idea why people are trying to argue against the idea that Amazon doesn’t pay it’s fair share... surely that’s simply an established fact by this point?

The original statement was in relation to RLB's inaccurate statement that they paid "£5m in tax". This is obviously nonsense as they pay billions in NI, fuel duties, VAT, PAYE of their employees, business rates, corporation tax etc.

If the argument is solely in relation to corporation tax then it's an argument against governmental policy over the last few decades. Amazon simply pay the minimum legal amount that they have to pay and pass those tax savings to their customers (who judging by Amazon sales are delighted with this strategy), this means they grow and pay more tax. If any of their customers don't feel they pay their fair share they can either buy from another supplier or donate the cost savings Amazon pass on to the treasury.

If a government enacts a policy that is impossible to equitably police, then they'd be stupid to expect anything other than inequitable results. To blame Amazon for wanting to be as successful as possible is a bit strange.
 
Labour will back a December election now, according to BBC.

Corbyn confirmed it just now himself.
 
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An election just before Christmas?

Turnout will be incredibly low. Plus the fact that a lot of working-class people are suffering from electoral fatigue and are more apathetic due to Brexit dragging on.

Tory landslide.
 
Corbyn:

"We have now heard from the EU that the extension of Article 50 to 31st January has been confirmed, so for the next three months, our condition of taking No Deal off the table has now been met.

"We will now launch the most ambitious and radical campaign for real change our country has ever seen."
 
Labour had better hope boris runs as bad a campaign as May did last time
Cant see that myself though - and i suspect this time there will be a TV debate and it will be nasty
Farrage, Johnson, Swinson, Sturgon?, Corbyn
Will be key to see what the brexit party does I think (election pact with boris - only standing against remain MPS, or campaigning in every constituency)
 
What difference does 1 day in an election make? Why do Labour want it on the 11th rather than 12th?
 
Interesting

Mr Burgon said Labour would be pushing to get votes for 16 and 17-year-olds, as well as EU nationals so they can have their say.

But he added: "Even if we don't get those things we want, when push comes to shove, we are going to support an election."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50221856

Libs + Labour + SNP + handful of others and that could go through? - gut feel it will fall slightly short but will be close if all three main opposition parties back it
 
I genuinely fear for the safety of MP's and campaigners


After the past couple of years, I wouldn't feel in the slightest bit sorry for the overwhelming majority of them.

Brought it on themselves.

Hopefully half of them, from all sides, will lose their seats and then find out what it's like to live on Social Security instead of £ 75k + expenses for sitting on their arses and arguing amongst themselves like drunk football fans in the pub on Saturday night.
 
After the past couple of years, I wouldn't feel in the slightest bit sorry for the overwhelming majority of them.

Brought it on themselves.

Hopefully half of them, from all sides, will lose their seats and then find out what it's like to live on Social Security instead of £ 75k + expenses for sitting on their arses and arguing amongst themselves like drunk football fans in the pub on Saturday night.
lets be honest most had jobs at or above 75K before they entered politics - all will leave politics and be able to command comfortably more ... but on the point of safety im talking jo cox type stuff .., or is that just humbug and you think a few MP's being killed is ok because ... erm... brexit means brexit? or you dont agree with austerity or because corbyn is a danger?
 
Where’s the plonker Farage? Normally all over the media.
cancelled a rally about how bad the boris deal is - apparently seeking an electoral pact with boris (so probably on the phone with trump quid pro quoing away) where brexit will fight a number (to be determined) of labour leave seats which the conservatives wont contest in exchange for brexit party not standing in other constituencies ... and of course a cushy number for nigel when its all done (free trade ambassador to the usa or some such drivel I suspect)
 
Out of interest how viable would it be to register all 16/17 year olds (and EU nationals) for voting by 12th December?

16/17 year olds are already on the register as you can be on the electoral register from 16 but cannot vote until 18. Our systems would need updating to classify them as voters but there would be pressure from those who haven’t registered to register and that would be a lot of work.
 
16/17 year olds are already on the register as you can be on the electoral register from 16 but cannot vote until 18. Our systems would need updating to classify them as voters but there would be pressure from those who haven’t registered to register and that would be a lot of work.
I had read somewhere the electoral commission thought it would take around 6 months - (which fits in with a referendum timetable) but that it might well not be viable in 6 weeks??
the issue is more of a workload one than a technical one though from what you are saying
 
lets be honest most had jobs at or above 75K before they entered politics - all will leave politics and be able to command comfortably more ... but on the point of safety im talking jo cox type stuff .., or is that just humbug and you think a few MP's being killed is ok because ... erm... brexit means brexit? or you dont agree with austerity or because corbyn is a danger?


Jo Cox type stuff ??

I doubt it....The UK has its fair share of nutters, but Jo Cox was a one-off. The last time ( before Jo Cox ) was when ??

Some of the vitriol on here against the Tories would indicate that it's the Tories who will need to look over their shoulders, you know, just in case.
 
Jo Cox type stuff ??

I doubt it....The UK has its fair share of nutters, but Jo Cox was a one-off. The last time ( before Jo Cox ) was when ??

Some of the vitriol on here against the Tories would indicate that it's the Tories who will need to look over their shoulders, you know, just in case.

He wasn't a one off. He had a political motive and affiliated himself with your cause.

Just sayin' it like it is.
 
Jo Cox type stuff ??

I doubt it....The UK has its fair share of nutters, but Jo Cox was a one-off. The last time ( before Jo Cox ) was when ??

Some of the vitriol on here against the Tories would indicate that it's the Tories who will need to look over their shoulders, you know, just in case.
Just off the top of my head

.Someone literally drove a van into crowd of people with the hope of killing Corbyn and Sadiq Khan(Corbyn was punched in the head as well this year)

.2017 Westminster attack - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Westminster_attack

.A man was arrested last month for attacking Labour MP Jess Philips office door.
 
I had read somewhere the electoral commission thought it would take around 6 months - (which fits in with a referendum timetable) but that it might well not be viable in 6 weeks??
the issue is more of a workload one than a technical one though from what you are saying

To ensure all voters 16-18 who can register are registered, it would probably take that long as not all of them have registered currently as they don’t deem it important however may do when there is an election. The deadline to register for an election is also in advance of the election date so we will only get 2-3 weeks to get everyone registered. While there can be a patch up job for this election, it would be nigh on impossible to get all of them registered for this election so a lot of people would miss out and we would be swamped with the workload and getting everyone else registered including overseas voters and actually organising the election.

The other thing would be that it would require a change in legislation as well.
 
Jo Cox type stuff ??

I doubt it....The UK has its fair share of nutters, but Jo Cox was a one-off. The last time ( before Jo Cox ) was when ??

Some of the vitriol on here against the Tories would indicate that it's the Tories who will need to look over their shoulders, you know, just in case.
there was a poll recently showing that 70+% of brexit supporters feel some level of violence against an MP would be a price worth paying for the brexit they want
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-against-mps-is-price-worth-paying-for-brexit

This included a question on whether achieving their desired political outcome was worth the risk of violence being directed against MPs.

Most leave voters who took part in the Future of England study thought such a possibility was a “price worth paying” for Brexit to be delivered – 71% in England, 60% in Scotland and 70% in Wales.

so yeah MP's and campaigners walking dark streets at night - I have some safety concerns ... I mean how many death threats etc - we seem to be in a new era of threats etc so perhaps assuming its a one off is wishful thinking



https://www.ft.com/content/89096bfa-f8b9-11e9-a354-36acbbb0d9b6

As i say i have concerns about the safety of MP's and campaigners (on both sides) and I hope im wrong
 
Brexit, Britain First.


Absolute bollocks.

Point me to one single post over the past five years where I have said anything like that.

I have consistantly said that I am anti-EU, as are hundreds of millions of us throughout Europe, but nothing about Britain First bollocks....