Which is it for you ?
Er....
Can't wait to hear your reasoning on election day. You and Pimlico Plumbers fighting for the workers of Britain.
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Which is it for you ?
Er....
Can't wait to hear your reasoning on election day. You and Pimlico Plumbers fighting for the workers of Britain.
Its a massive and wide reaching piece of legislation. You're not looking for a one word summary are you?
He's a twat of the first degree. As a prospective Liberal voter it's not good news, point taken. Ah well, the Greens are always an option.
Dam Hippy!He's a twat of the first degree. As a prospective Liberal voter it's not good news, point taken. Ah well, the Greens are always an option.
Well yeah and your view on it is ?
I don't need a one word answer but also nothing to long and boring(Also include some puns).
Unsure of the stringency of the poll - but if it's at all reliable then fairly interesting insofar as a lot of Labour leavers don't really seem to care about Brexit all that much compared to other political groupings, with issues like healthcare taking prevalence for them instead. Compare that with Labour Remainers - where it's seen as the most important issue in both columns. Would lend some credibility to the argument that Labour wouldn't have necessarily alienated a lot of their Leave voters by taking a more anti-Brexit stance over the past couple of years.
I can only really speak from my corner of the world. I imagine you're mainly interested in the Any Qualified Provider section. As a CEO of a not for profit that receives commissions from several Government bodies I was worried that we'd be forced out of the market by larger private sector entities offering loss leading contracts. A bit of this did happen, such as several sexual health contracts being won by Virgin (there's ya pun). This happened in the legal advice sector too when LASPO landed. But in terms of service delivery, I still don't see as many front line commissions being won by private sector entities as was expected at the time. Whether this is accident or design is harder to say and we may see it accelerating over time.
On health, there's a bucket load of stuff apart from AQP, which in truth is a minor part of the Act. Mostly its a mixed bag. Healthwatch, Health and Wellbeing Boards and Public Health England were all probably a success on balance. As for CCGs, its too early to tell. It may turn out to be another pointless reorganisation, but in some regions we're seeing combined social and health care commissioning bodies emerge, which could be really good for our clients. Monitor was a failure.
But there's more to it than just that. There stuff like fluoride in water, the licensing of providers, stuff about how Local Authorities connect to health services and a tonne of other stuff that I barely know a thing about. So even working under the Act I have only a small understanding of it.
And then of course there's the fact that you can't just roll back to the former legislation. Presumably you're happy to simply accept on faith that anything Labour does will be better than what goes before, but I want to see what they're suggesting myself. Labour has been very quiet on the role of the charity sector in delivering commissioned services, but since we're not publicly owned Im guessing he sees us as the lesser of two evils but not the preferred solution. Since there are numerous examples of the charity sector being better than statutory bodies, I'd be totally against that being rolled back.
And as for whatever restructure of the NHS Labour has in mind, well, there's a lot of ways to mess up a reorg on that scale. I'll judge it on its merits when I see the proposal.
they must be pretty confident of an extension date from the EU by then?
I suspect (provided they have accepted any extension by then) it will pass?
I imagine so and the final death knells of any hope of remain may then be sounded.
I don't get it... If he doesn't give them more time and they don't go for an election what does he win? His "deal" will still be dead, right? What is he thinking is his leverage here?
Election time.
Same day as our work Christmas party!
Same day as our work Christmas party!
I actually think its a fairly logical move
It allows him to try and get his brexit deal through in time for an election (so he can fight the election on having won brexit)... if they dont approve the deal it plays into the remoaner parliament blocking the will of the people tripe that he keeps troweling on
And by suggesting a date that's so close, he limits the maximum amount of time that the bill can be scrutinised by parliament even while making the offer and appearing like he's compromising. His dream scenario would be the bill managing to pass before the election without being enacted yet, this allows it.
yeah because although 12th december sounds like a long time i assume there is a 5 week period or something like that for campaigning so effectivley it will still be i guess a week and a half max?
Yes, Parliament will be dissolved on 6 November for the election.
Suggestion is that it would be November 6th that Parliament gets dissolved so yeah, they're basically saying we'll give you two weeks and then have an election. Guessing the date would also create issues for uni students voting which will benefit the Tories as well.
possibly not... arent most uni students actually still registered at home and many dont change it to where they are at uni (im assuming as they are such dossers they will have broken up for xmas by then) half joking
I remember when I was at uni a couple of years ago that people were encouraged to register there rather than at home and the ones I knew mostly did so (though since I studied politics, might not have been representative). And the date would have been last week before we broke up, some would have gone home early obviously.
Yeah but what does it help him to make parliament look bad when he needs parliament to get the election he wants for the sake of changing parliament? If he gets his election parliament won't look bad, and if he doesn't it doesn't matter because there won't be an election soon...
Labours anger should be with itself given how it pretty much jump started the Lib Dem recovery by being so disingenuous about brexit.
Parliament either don't give him the election (he blames parliament) or they do... And if they do either they pass his deal unamanded in which case he says he defeated parliament ... Or they try and amend it (most probable)... He pulls the deal and blames parliament for being remoaners trying to attach a referendum or a customs union and stop the 1st referendum
And even if they pass the deal with a referendum it's irelavent as there is a ge on 12 December and parliament can't bind it's it's successor
Tbf the vast majority of MP's and members seem to be remain and pretty vocal about it... I think the anger needs to be pretty targeted at the long term anti EU leadership of the party
Yeah mate I'm an SNP voter so I really don't give much of a feck about Labour culties.
And that link just screams of excuses.
I'll need some pictures as well please. Keeps my attention.
Feel delaying election and continuing gridlock would be a bad move from Labour. Think they’d be wrong not to take advantage of Boris’ failure to deliver on his promise to leave by 31 October.
Dam! You even got the puns in there. But really cheers for the post.
Thanks, that makes sense. But how can he force them into either or? Can't they just not pass the deal and not call for an election?
Captain Picard has spoken
Labour are cowards. Cant remember a time when an opposition party was so scared of wanting an general election.
Once they can be sure that Johnson can't just drag us out without the permission of parliament, Labour will be happy to have an election. As they have said repeatedly for weeks now.
Pffft, bots are so 2016. Can't believe they still pull this shit...
to be fair we cant really know as previousley without the fixed term parliament act a government could pretty much just call an election when they wanted ... and very often did so at the time they percieved most advantageous to them so under the current rules perhaps numerous oppositions might have blocked elections (of course they might not as well)
I think the Fixed term parliament act will be one of the first things to go after the election actually ... but in the meantime I agree its not something that looks good for labour
Im genuinley not sure if Boris will get his election vote through on Monday but if not I'm not sure what the labour response will be if not.
It should be mentioned that about half the Tories are wary of an election before Brexit is sorted and the person pushing for this is Cummings. He's not got a good track record at the minute either.
Strange argument. Since when was it the oppositions job to give the government what they want? However, they are cowards but not because they want to delay, it’s because they don’t have the guts or the decency to remove their single biggest obstacle to winning.
It's not necessarily about that - it's the optics of how it looks for an opposition party to be opposing an election when they constantly talk about how much they want to unseat this government. It'll give some voters the impression that Labour don't really believe they can win the election, an impression that'd have some solid backing with current polling trends.
Not that I necessarily believe all of the above, and there are legit reasons for why they may be wary to hold an election right now, but that's how Cummings is trying to spin it, and there's a risk it'll work to an extent if Labour seem too reticent about the prospect of a vote.