Well it's designed to do multiple things really. It's a divisive issue that's there to further drive a wedge through the British public, scaremonger about cheats, and motivate their older base that want to continue shutting the doors behind them.
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Well it's designed to do multiple things really. It's a divisive issue that's there to further drive a wedge through the British public, scaremonger about cheats, and motivate their older base that want to continue shutting the doors behind them.
What are you talking about?
The great irony of this stupid policy is that it seems to impact Leave voters above anyone else, which seems a slightly odd thing for a government interested in hoovering up the Leave vote to do.
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No point talking about top 10% of World earners when the conversational context is the UK voting system. Talk UK demographics for actual context.
I think Tory turnout would still be strong from what I recall, which is what they're hoping for.
I could be a cauliflower but I'm not.
Point is, it is not free now in the UK and could disenfranchise 3.5 million voters, in order to prevent the 8 cases of electoral ID fraud. Don't those numbers seem strange to you? Seems like there might be an ulterior motive?
It doesn't exist at all in the UK. If it came into use it should be free.
But being free people still seem to object to it whereas it's not even an issue in many countries.
It would impact traditional Labour and Con votes about the same, but really hit Leave voters, you can see the other two graphs in this thread:
Because voter fraud just isn't occurring on a scale enough to warrant some bullshit bureaucratic program that's actually a sneaky way to suppress the vote.
Yes I see the objections there, what I don't see is why people still object to ID cards if they were free.
Which leads to another point is how do people in the UK prove who they are (if they don't have a driving licence or a passport)?
For voting? We don't it's just name and address. For general identity verification for investments etc it's a bit of a pain in general as you're looking at a couple of documents from marriage or birth certificates, HMRC or DWP correspondence, council tax etc.
Personally I've always been for national identity cards as it's a stupid situation and the government are going in that direction online anyway. Mainly the Tories are to blame for causing an outrage over Gordon Browns proposals.
In France they are not compulsory but everyone seems to have them as they make life much easier and also are valid for 15 years. There aren't that many countries left in the world where ID cards are not either compulsory or voluntary.
Those proposed by Gordon Brown had a cost if I remember.
Yeah it did but it wasn't massive and i think they had a scheme for lower paid to get it free.
The big issue was around the database as the papers and various groups spun it into a big surveillance state issue and privacy concerns "oh no a centralised database". Of course now in retrospect all their claims seem absurd but the fuss around it at the time was a bit brexit campaign like. Clegg made it a big issue for the Lib dems.
Polls now suggest a majority for I'd cards as well
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...2/majority-brits-support-introducing-id-cards
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Is the evidence for that behind the paywall in the article or somewhere else, I'd have though Labour would have been hit far harder than the Tories with the Lib Dems suffering least.
Older people are more likely and generally more determined to vote, though, are they not? If they don't currently have voting ID I'd wager they're perhaps more likely to try and obtain it, compared to younger voters who broadly vote Labour/anti-Tory but won't go out there way to seek ID and who tend to be more unreliable in regards to turnout.
I'm pretty sure the objections on here come because there's nothing in the proposed plans to suggest this mythical free British ID that you say we're going to get.
ID cards as a requirement for voting are quite obviously a bad idea.
Some are but not all but I didn't say you would get a free ID but you should get a free ID card.
I don't see there would be anything unreasonable about asking people to bring their voting card with them, or some proof of address.
When you go to vote, they ask you your address and only ask your name if there is more than 1 voter at the address.
You can easily say an address you saw on the way to the polling station. There should be some sort of confirmation.
Are homeless people not eligible to vote?
When you go to vote, they ask you your address and only ask your name if there is more than 1 voter at the address.
You can easily say an address you saw on the way to the polling station. There should be some sort of confirmation.
Are homeless people not eligible to vote?
Voter Id makes no sense to me. However an all-purpose National Id makes complete sense and I’m always bemused that the UK doesn’t have one. Drivers licenses are supposed to be for drivers and passports are for international travel. Both non-essential documents that come with a cost.
I grew up in Greece and you get a National ID from the age of 12, which is used as a form of identification for voting, opening bank accounts, applying for National Insurance number or Passport, Police identification etc. etc. You turn up at certain types of police station with your parents when you turn 12, having 2 photos in hand, and you get one on the spot. No cost in it, apart from the cost of the pictures from the photo booth.
I grew up in Greece and you get a National ID from the age of 12, which is used as a form of identification for voting, opening bank accounts, applying for National Insurance number or Passport, Police identification etc. etc. You turn up at certain types of police station with your parents when you turn 12, having 2 photos in hand, and you get one on the spot. No cost in it, apart from the cost of the pictures from the photo booth.
Sounds logical...
I would guess it's then just a matter of how often photos are updated .... And do you take DNA samples for a DNA database at the time
Perhaps 16 would be a logical time to do it in the UK... National insurance number issued and ensures I'd on file for when people start to apply for provisional driving licences etc
You could also tie it into organ doner opt outs and the like
5-year duration. In Greece you get your fingerprints taken and the pictures lend themselves to facial recognition of the kind that biometric passports also operate on. DNA is way too much because, identification aside, it also has an incredible amount of encoded information with dystopian future-style potential applications of it. You don't want the government sorting people on perceived intelligence based on their DNA sequencing etc.
But yeah the whole point is that your ID is tied to everything and is pretty much the one and only compulsory state "document". It becomes the basis for everything else and the one thing everything links back to. And for that reason the state has to fund the cost of issuing it with taxes. You do get charged a fee if you lose it though, simply to deter reckless feckers from turning up every month asking for a new one and wasting police time. Although If it's been stolen, then you have to file a police report and you get a replacement for free, which reckless feckers sometimes abuse. It's also free if you turn up for renewal with your old ID.
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Polls aren't accurate. Their sample depends on many factors. It only needs to rain outside and that will skew the results. Not to say that they can be manipulated to anyones desire and purpose. The most accurate poll is the election and Chuka has no chance in accordance with that.
Out of interest has ayone on this forum ever been polled? I never have been in 20+ years as a teen/adult.
I've been polled numerous times in the US
Never, and I’m in my early 40’s.
Never been polled and I'm 125.
Street polling yeah once or twice but most of the polling companies rely on people signing up to take part in polls so if you haven't you won't.
Personally don't put much faith in polls as i can't see how they can ever be truly accurate.
Your daily reminder that the British ruling class is extremely stupid
Ha! Me neither.
No idea the phobia certain people in the US and UK have agains a National ID card, it's useful in alot of ways, ours replaced a number of documents
Any individual poll obviously has an error margin, usually stated, and many have some political bias or other bias due to polling methods etc, plus all companies struggle to keep up with changing habits such as lack of land lines, but to simply state polls are inaccurate is very misleading. Poll aggregators that use multiple sources and weight correctly are pretty good. fivethirtyeight is the US is excellent and there are some good UK one's too like BritainElects.
What in the almighty feck is this nonsense?
No wonder we can’t get our shit together when this archaic load of shite is mandatory protocol
Is it free? That seems to be the only reason I'm seeing on here why people are against it.No idea the phobia certain people in the US and UK have agains a National ID card, it's useful in alot of ways, ours replaced a number of documents
I'm moving to Portugal.