The FT has been consistently pro-Remain of course. I can't see Labour being the largest party after an election though, because in a campaign Corbyn will have to answer questions that will go against him. 'Your deal will mean freedom of movement and unlimited EU immigration won't it?' Well yes, so that's a chunk of Labour Brexiters gone. 'Will your referendum include No Deal or not?' Well if the FT's right then it won't, so that's another chunk gone. The Tories can solve their electoral problems relatively easily by a pact with Farage, there's no easy solution for Corbyn.
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This is the problem in the UK. People can't listen to reason once someone is "remain" or "leave". Even the FT gets painted in the corner as if it were anything like the brexit propaganda press.
What makes you think it's been painted into a corner? The FT's my favourite newspaper, it was a better article than most on the subject for me.
The first sentence... it acts as qualifier.
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You've knee-jerked mate. I was replying to Sweet's comment on 'much to the displeasure of the FT' although I didn't make that clear to be fair.
But they aren't tory, honestly they aren't tories at all.
Is this just a general realigning of parties? Tories have gone far right, and Lib Dems are taking their old spot by sliding from the centre to the right while current Labour have gone further to the left under Corbyn? Feels like it but I am not a big political follower (or wasnt before all this shitshow started)
Ah sorry, yeah I didn't get the context, my bad.
Thatis not an easy solution for the tories. Its a black hole they'll struggle to come back from.
Or... Lib Dems are just becoming a broader church in search of more power and political clout. Hoovering up any centre-left or centre-right MP that becomes available while Tories and Labour are lurching more to the right and left respectively.
Since the Tory/Lib Dem coalition we've been hearing from the left that Lib Dems are just yellow Tories. But after having scooped up an almost equal number of Labour and Tory MPs, they've now moved to the right? That's fanciful
Well I was thinking of an electoral pact where the Cons don't stand against Farage in Labour areas they couldn't win but Farage might, or at least prevent Labour winning. I say easy because once Brexit is over Farage would lose much of his appeal, although then again I suppose he could reinvent his party for something else, so you could be right in that case.
The Lib Dem have become exclusively the David Cameron type party.
The Lib Dems have been on the right since the Clegg days. The recent scooped up of neoliberal and conservative Labour and Tory MPs proves this.
Can't this fool take anything seriously?:
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Mine also. Think they’ve been very good, can’t really accuse them of bias imho
So not only is he ripping off Indiana Jones he's ripping off Hitler's origin story too
What? That entire article was written from the perspective that Corbyn would be a nightmare. The whole thing creates a ‘No Deal would obviously be awful, but so would a Corbyn government’ narrative. If they think that then fine, but saying it doesn’t show bias is bizarre.
The level of discourse in the HOC is astonishing. Gove isn't just not answering, anything he says is a pointless repetition of things that have been said thousands of times and still don't matter. These people don't understand nor care about the effects of their actions. They've never held real responsibility in real work (where things actually get done). I hope they will at least be blamed for all the damage they are causing one day, and that they stay healthy enough to live so long to see it.
And briefing the press with made up quotes from a foreign leader is utterly despicable. Can't remember that ever happening before.
Get on with this government of national unity to end this government of national cowardice.
And briefing the press with made up quotes from a foreign leader is utterly despicable. Can't remember that ever happening before.
Get on with this government of national unity to end this government of national cowardice.
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Not only that but the story sounds fecking terrible so I have no doubt that the script wasn't "absolutely brilliant".
I'm now trying to work out what he's attempting to hide from Google's algorithms this time.
The Tories "have gone far right"? Their current spending commitments and the huge borrowing / taxation that will have to go with it make them more left wing than Ed Miliband. Likewise the policies on energy caps and a ramping up of the minimum wage to £10.50 by 2024 are also left wing. Likewise green policies such as are due April on electric vehicles would be generally normally associated more with the left.
From a policy perspective I'd have Labour under Corbyn as a comparatively far left statist party, Johnson as a more central left and the Lib Dems as slightly right of centre.
Johnson is only centre left if you have your centre rather to the right. Which you demonstrably do.
I have no doubt that he is, in some respects, on the left of the Tory party. A party I would see, to mirror your terminology, as comparatively far right.
Don't confuse electioneering for actual spending.
I googled that story thinking I was about to privately embarrass myself for even contemplating that this was legitimate and not satirical. This man is our Prime Minister. God help us.
Im talking about their general Brexit coverage, not the specifics of the article
So are we going to find out who this "source" in the British government was? How is the UK media not even criticizing it's government for hiding in anonymity when briefing such sensitive issues? What the hell is going on in the UK?
From the language it's either Cummings or a spad reading from a Cummings script
Yeah but how can Brits accept this cowardice? "Government sources" lie about conversations the PM has with foreign leaders and the journalist don't even mention who this source is? These journalists are just as bad as Boris and Cummings.
I believe some of the spending has already been green lighted... Either way I'm not sure it would be any different from Corbyn.
What policies that have been announced are objectively right wing (let alone far right), disregarding tax reductions for middle earners that he seems to be rolling back on in favour of further spending?
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I believe both are lying so it's not a defence to anything. But if we're judging Corbyn as left wing for a load of spending policies that are lies, surely Johnson is left wing for the same reason?
Those Tory policies are purely electioneering. It's so transparent to suggest otherwise is silly.
They won't follow through on them either, or implement them seriously.
Ha! I thought the same.
Look at their voting records over the last 10 years and you'll get your answer.
Yet only one of them has a distinguished track record in that particular discipline.
As I said, classic deflection.
Is it my imagination or is it prorogatiON again? Have I missed the discussion here?
What am I meant to be deflecting? Seriously?