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Because it's a lose - lose situation as far as I can see. It's either fail to deliver Brexit or crash the economy and breach an international peace treaty. The Tories need a fall guy.
I've heard some commentators say that he's popular with the party because he's a flip flopper who can be plied by good arguments and will cooperate. Basically the opposite to the head strong and charmless May.
The photo of Boris and his girlfriend from 'yesterday', that is doing the rounds, suggests his hair grows at an alarming rate and he's piled the weight back on. Poor guy.
Genuinely looks like they've used a body double for that photo. Bizarre.
OK. Understand although I thought that TM was the sacrificial lamb.
Anyway, Boris has made it a lose/lose situation by his aggressive leave policy.
Most clear thinking people already know that the Tories have wasted the opportunity to leave by end of October by their self inflicted leadership contest.
Whatever Boris may say or think, it is absolutely clear that the EU will not budge one micron on the WA. They already know Boris tactic and will keep saying NO.
It is obvious that the pressure will increase exponentially the closer to the date and hopefully Parliament will veto a no deal.
So. Let's wait and see how it pans out.
Poor us if he wins the leadership contest.
Wow this is pretty pathetic.
Like many others, I listen and watch the Brexit discussion and one thing is becoming clear.
Those still advocating Leave are all saying that we Have To leave because of democracy.
None at all are saying that we have to leave because it is the best thing for the country.
Brexit has become self fulfilling.
Those still advocating Leave are all saying that we Have To leave because of democracy.
None at all are saying that we have to leave because it is the best thing for the country.
Brexit has become self fulfilling.
I think you're giving the Conservative membership far too much credit. They're predominantly a bunch of xenophobic, Islamophobic, bigoted old white people who want a no deal Brexit irrespective of the obvious damage it will cause. That's why they want Johnson. They also fear a Corbyn government above all else. They're not going to vote for someone who they anticipate will be a disaster and consequently pave the pathway for Corbyn to enter Downing Street.
Photo courtesy of Damage Control Media:
"Get off my fecking laptop...darling."
"Get off my fecking laptop...darling."
Bingo.
I never used to think of myself as right wing, but since coming to this forum I realize I am so right wing I solve Ole's current selection problem 
Yeah you're right unfortunately. The fear of Corbyn and Muslims is the predominant reason for going for someone like Johnson. He is far more electable than the likes of Hunt, Gove or Javid.
Oh and they must deliver Brexit or else.
What the hell is this shit?
An uncomfortable truth for you, it would appear.
Wasn't it Cameron who introduced same sex marriage?
That's a fair and really good point. Kudos!
And so are we saying that the old traditional Conservative / Labour / Liberal system is actually turning into a US Republican / Democrat format with Conservatives split?
Without commenting on whether or not she should be defending Johnson, you can't criticise her for going into a live interview fully prepared. Otherwise you end up with people making a fool of themselves because they don't have the answer off pat. Like Abott, or Corbyn himself. Would you go into an exam without revising first?
What a narrow way to read history, and it does nothing to undermine what I said. I'm talking about the Conservative party membership, not what legislation one of their PMs introduced in spite of the majority of his MPs opposing it.
I'll give you this.
Without commenting on whether or not Priti Patel is better than Abbott or Corbyn, as a woman who was sacked for carrying out clandestine meetings with foreign officials. It's more that she is being told what to say by the Johnson campaign and she doesn't have the wherewithal to have an original thought. Rightly or wrongly at least Abbott and Corbyn have that.
At least try to look like you it's your own thoughts you are espousing here rather than forced fed information.
To be fair it's not really an indictment of Patel, more so on Johnson. He doesn't really inspire his fellow backers.
They don't fear Corbyn because of his competence (or incompetence), or because they believe he's Stalin resurrected; they fear him taking their money away.
You tend not to be allowed into an exam with the answers already on a sheet for you. It's not good practice. She's an MP who is supposed to support Johnson. It's not a good look to appear incapable of formulating her own arguments in her owns words to explain that or to defend him after he commits yet another blunder. If she supports him or wants to defend his behaviour then she should have no problem giving voice to those reasons.
Marx actually, Gaucho Marx.
'I was Boris Johnson’s boss: he is utterly unfit to be prime minister' ~Max Hastings said:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
Ok, I concede that I didn't know the actual conservative votes on gay marriage, and that was my bad. I'm trying to get my head around the liberal sympathetic view of Islam when muslim countries strongly oppose LGBT.
I understand that the rights of all people should be protected, but the muslim view of LGBT is very severe. Sort this out for me.
You've just been shown that only six years ago 136 Conservative MPs believed that gay people should not even be allowed to marry. The Ottoman Empire decriminalised homosexuality in 1858. It took the United Kingdom until 1967 to do so. Our government pushed a hero of WWII to suicide because he was gay. Was religion a driving factor behind these disparate decisions? You talk in very general terms and make broad sweeping statements which serve only to reveal your own prejudice. There are problems with homophobia everywhere. It is not an issue exclusive to certain followers of Islam.
Boris is a fecking coward. Even May had the balls to turn up to answer difficult questions. She talked shite but at least she was there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48744724
All this does is show you what will happen in future if he becomes PM. He'll take no accountability for his actions. Is that really what people want?!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48744724
All this does is show you what will happen in future if he becomes PM. He'll take no accountability for his actions. Is that really what people want?!
The Mail have dug up a picture from ages ago and are feigning their reporter ‘happened upon’ the happy couple today
Didn't May also avoid a televised debate though? But yeah, sums it up and exposes the contempt for which the likes of Johnson hold the British public. As of now he only needs to appeal to his own party's membership, so the public become utterly irrelevant and an inconvenience to him.
And Cameron tried to avoid them too.
Whatever about the membership, what the party fears above all else is Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party.
Simple - There is no liberal sympathetic view towards Islam. There is a liberal view toward individual freedom - such as being able to worship freely, being to wear religious clothing of your choice etc.
The recent case about a group of muslims parents protesting against a school for including LGBT lessons is a good example of this. Nowhere was there people on the liberal/left who were sympathetic to the views of the muslims parents.
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Wait a minute. Are you saying that it's ok for muslims to condemn LGBT, but not conservatives?
I conceded the conservative gay marriage issue, although it was technically a conservative primeminister who introduce gay marriage with close to 50% backing from his own party. Let's not forget that.
You say that I'm prejudice, and say I make sweeping statements, but the fact remains you are critical of conservatives being homophobes and islamaphobes. Are you also willing to accept that Muslims are also homophobes?
He needed labour votes it get it passed.
Yes, so it has been pointed out.
What a bizarre interpretation of what I actually said. Also, Muslims and conservatives are not mutually exclusive categories. You seem intent on defining people by their religion.
Am I willing to accept that 'Muslims' are homophobes? Again, what a ridiculous question. The way you frame questions is very telling. There are over a billion Muslims in the world. I'm sure there are plenty of homophobes, plenty of people who have no problem with homosexuals, and plenty of people who belong to the LGBT community themselves.
That’s a brutal deconstruction of Boris, it’s all pretty obvious to outside observers too.
The only thing that the Conservative membership polled as accepting as a term too unacceptable for a no deal Brexit was if it entailed Corbyn entering power. I find it hard to fathom why these extreme Brexiteers would thus object more to the presence of Farage and the Brexit Party in power.