Westminster Politics

Your man who milkshaked Farage ended up with a fine and a community sentence. I imagine the police will soon be involved with this. :rolleyes:
 
Listening to 5 Live... The debate question? "Do you support the MP or the climate change protestor" ... Herein lies the problem.
 
I wonder if the Tory MPs going on TV to pontificate about how it is more important for them to have their black tie events without having to think about things like the environment will work out why nobody under the age of 67 likes them...
 


If he thought she was carrying a knife, then I don't get how grabbing her by the throat would stop her from stabbing someone.

In the longer video, you see her in her red dress, walking calmly with small purse and leaflets in her hands posing no threat at all that would merit such a disproportionate response.

Funny that all these people dare to mention Jo Cox's name now.

 
If he thought she was carrying a knife, then I don't get how grabbing her by the throat would stop her from stabbing someone.

In the longer video, you see her in her red dress, walking calmly with small purse and leaflets in her hands posing no threat at all that would merit such a disproportionate response.

Funny that all these people dare to mention Jo Cox's name now.

‘Grabbed her by the throat’ or ‘held her by the back of her neck’ ?

Furthermore, if you take the potentially even more dubious parts of the anatomy out of the equation, not an awful lot left to hold with out Greenpeace trumping up charges is there?

Also, no footage of Field as yet eyeing her up during the walk up? So how would he know she wasn’t a loon? Loons frequently act ‘calm, posing no threat at all’ right up to ‘the moment’.

And, he’s apologised quickly & referred himself for scrutiny.

But apart from all that, yeah, carry on.
 
He seems to have used disproportionate force to the perceived threat. No-one else felt it was necessary to physically remove the woman. The initial shove was aggressive.
 
That's because most non muslims like myself dont give a shit about Islam.
A phobia is an irrational fear. The chances are high that the fear a lot of people have is extremism.
After all you dont hear about Christianiphobia, because there is not an extremist element to christianity.
I was actually referring to the duplicitous and shameless virtue signalling from the Tories to talk about Islamophobia now when literally all of them on the stand either took no notice or actively rejected that there was a problem. For the Saj to bring it up especially was even more brazen considering his incendiary remarks on British Muslims and the Pakistani community here.

Not sure what your point is in relation to that, but whatevs...
 
‘Grabbed her by the throat’ or ‘held her by the back of her neck’ ?

Furthermore, if you take the potentially even more dubious parts of the anatomy out of the equation, not an awful lot left to hold with out Greenpeace trumping up charges is there?

Also, no footage of Field as yet eyeing her up during the walk up? So how would he know she wasn’t a loon? Loons frequently act ‘calm, posing no threat at all’ right up to ‘the moment’.

And, he’s apologised quickly & referred himself for scrutiny.

But apart from all that, yeah, carry on.

Eh? If you seriously think you’re about to be shot or stabbed then you have two options.

a) Put as much distance between you and the gun/knife as possible
b) Grab hold of the wrist/arms of the assailant

Seeing as he did neither then he clearly didn’t see being shot/stabbed as a possibility. And he didn’t, obviously. Just look at him. He’s furious, not frightened.
 
Eh? If you seriously think you’re about to be shot or stabbed then you have two options.

a) Put as much distance between you and the gun/knife as possible
b) Grab hold of the wrist/arms of the assailant

Seeing as he did neither then he clearly didn’t see being shot/stabbed as a possibility. And he didn’t, obviously. Just look at him. He’s furious, not frightened.

As *purely* a method of restraint & ejection, not self defence. I never claimed that. Look, he didn’t end up in a grapple with her torso otherwise he really would have been for the high jump. That’s what I’m saying.

All happened in seconds. He turns round, immediately realises she isn't armed, so goes for restraint & ejection. End of.

Was she acting aggressively when the mob forced their way in?

Storm in a tea cup, really is. Indicative of the times sadly.
 
I miss the times when grabbing strangers by the neck was socially unacceptable to people of every political persuasion.

I'd have more respect for the "was scared she was armed" line if he had decked her.
 
As *purely* a method of restraint & ejection, not self defence. I never claimed that. Look, he didn’t end up in a grapple with her torso otherwise he really would have been for the high jump. That’s what I’m saying.

All happened in seconds. He turns round, immediately realises she isn't armed, so goes for restraint & ejection. End of.

Was she acting aggressively when the mob forced their way in?

Storm in a tea cup, really is. Indicative of the times sadly.

What's indicative of the times is you get weapons defending him whilst losing their shit about milkshake.
 
As *purely* a method of restraint & ejection, not self defence. I never claimed that. Look, he didn’t end up in a grapple with her torso otherwise he really would have been for the high jump. That’s what I’m saying.

All happened in seconds. He turns round, immediately realises she isn't armed, so goes for restraint & ejection. End of.

Was she acting aggressively when the mob forced their way in?

Storm in a tea cup, really is. Indicative of the times sadly.

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He's not a fecking bouncer mate and it's not his property you don't just grab someone by the neck. Just restraint and ejection in it, feck sake
 
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He's not a fecking bouncer mate and it's not his property you don't just grab someone by the neck. Just restraint and ejection in it, feck sake

I'm pretty sure he blocked me after he popped up in the Brexit thread saying things actual fascists say.
 
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He's not a fecking bouncer mate and it's not his property you don't just grab someone by the neck. Just restraint and ejection in it, feck sake

So what was supposed to happen, just let her have Carte Blanche & no one do anything? Ok.
 
I'm pretty sure he blocked me after he popped up in the Brexit thread saying things actual fascists say.

Ah, bless. Stuck in the mind have I?

Ok I’ll let you get back to the ‘mutual dick sucking, safety in numbers’ bollocks then. Bye all ;)
 
Ah, bless. Stuck in the mind have I?

Ok I’ll let you get back to the ‘mutual dick sucking, safety in numbers’ bollocks then. Bye all ;)

Well, yeah, it's rare we get people on here bleating about lebensraum and the like, so it tends to be quite memorable when someone does.
 
He showed too much temper to be an elected politician and he was wrong even if he wasn't a politician, but she did provoke him by going where she wasn't invited and knew she wouldn't be wanted. I think opinions have been swayed somewhat because people think her cause is righteous, but what she was campaigning for isn't actually relevant, it could just as easily have been to repeal the hunting with dogs bill or for immediate hard brexit, she should have stayed outside.
 
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What kind of person apologises unreservedly AND uses a "but..." excuse? A cock womble, that's who.
 
He seems to have used disproportionate force to the perceived threat. No-one else felt it was necessary to physically remove the woman. The initial shove was aggressive.
Where was security?

If someone like that advanced on the POTUS there would have been a big pile of burly men with a two arms and two legs sticking out of the sides.
 
Way over the top. Should have atleast offered her a seat and a drink first.
 
If someone like that advanced on the POTUS there would have been a big pile of burly men with a two arms and two legs sticking out of the sides.

A woman in a red dress? Sure POTUS wouldn't have grabbed her by the...?
 
So what was supposed to happen, just let her have Carte Blanche & no one do anything? Ok.

Because the only two options in your mind are 'grab by the throat' and 'do nothing'?

Do you have anger issues or something that you can't see a reasonable middle ground that resolves the situation without physical intervention.
 
Because the only two options in your mind are 'grab by the throat' and 'do nothing'?

Do you have anger issues or something that you can't see a reasonable middle ground that resolves the situation without physical intervention.
When in doubt kick her in the cnut... equality and all that
Will be interesting to see if the police think hes broken the law (unreasonable force etc) - if so it seems pretty cut and dried but if not it raises the question do we hold those in public office to different legal standards
in hindsight hes probably brought far more attention to their cause (and probably killed his own political future) with his actions - basically hes an idiot and it seems no harm was caused to the lady in the end so as I say will be interesting to see how it plays out