Having the cushy seat in Westminster trumps all.
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Having the cushy seat in Westminster trumps all.
The point is that ultimately the Tory party isn’t a fixed ideology, it’s a racket. There’s no way the party doesn’t pull itself together and gets its house in order ready for the following election. Everyone thought Labour were dead in 2019 and look at the polls now. They don’t believe in anything other than looking after their own interests and it’s harder to do that out of power so they will be pragmatic and work alongside the right wing press to position themselves for Starmer’s mistakes.
The sad fact is that ultimately this is a right wing country and the Tory party is home for just enough people to win FPTP elections more often than not. Starmer isn’t going to do anything that will convince a population with short memories that Labour are the long option. A rebranded Tory party promising tax cuts and prosperity will absolutely walk it in 28/29.
That is arguably about support rather than intention. I highlighted the word IF as its not a known fact but one hypothesis of what it morphs into.
What is it they said about the BREXIT party and racists.
You don't have to be a Muslim to vote WPB but...
The worry would be that its a first step towards it and so that would make Galloway dangerous wouldn't it?
No. The fear mongering about GG, a single MP in this thread is really weird.
We've had the Tories run this country into the ground - it's been as bas as it's ever been. The Tory cosplayers have U-turned on pretty much every policy under Keir, so even if they were around, it wouldn't be much better.
This is the exact same rhetoric people, Daily Mail etc come out with when they talk about Corbyn. 'Yes it's shit but can you imagine how shitter it would have been under Corbyn??'. It's a totally nonsensical way to evaluate things. You deal with the reality you have, not the hypothetical one. And in the reality we have, the Tories have ruined pretty much every single public institution going.
Secondly, if Muslims were to vote tactically, this is dangerous because of what exactly?
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It was more like a decade of asset stripping.
Yep. Sold most of the country's assets to raise funds. Blew the cash on tax cuts and shortterm feel good gains all the while transferring public wealth into private hands. Skipped the opportunity from North sea gas to build infrastructure and plan for the future.
We're living in the era when Thatcher's plans have found their logical conclusion - an infrastructure disaster, stifling those old "one nation" things about education and social mobility. Instead we've got massive housing misery, sewage in the rivers and declining living standards for anybody actually relying on working for a living.
I think Labour are a bit late to the Thatcher party - even if it's supposed to appeal to OAP Brexit voters. I guess this is the current version of appealing to the Dunkirk spirit, but does it actually resonate with anyone they're trying to win over? Unless it's some Tory MPs looking for a new home of course who want a slogan to use in their defection speech.
Short memories indeed, you have forgotten that not long ago Labour were in power for 13 years.
I’ve not forgotten, I’m just aware of the fact it’s only 13 of the last 45 years.
It's amazing how so many Tories wish the country would go back to the good old days in the 1970s, whereas I would gladly accept 2015. And 2015 was fecking awful.
So it could happen again then. Yes, it is perfectly possible that the Tories could win the following election, but to claim as a certainty as you did is simply bollocks.
Not really. The country was in rude national health at the end of that 13 year period. Pretty much everything worked as well as it’s ever done. That probably not saying much, but they should have been the first 13 years of a good run. We needed left wing opposition to a fairly centre left Labour Party that demanded even more for the people.
Instead, we had an ungrateful populace that fell for Cameron’s bollocks. It happens every single time. The people in this country are poorly informed of politics, economics and when paired with the media and bad faith actors in the Tory party… they vote against their own best interests so often.
British people are kind, compassionate, but they are easily led. They focus on the micro day to day of their own lives and even when it’s good, they’re gullible at the macro level. Towns where only ‘The Good Immigrants’ exist, as doctors and nurses and dentists, that see them not have to wait for services… will buy into macro dramas about immigration and pick up a pitchfork. They can have a child in a school rated ‘Good’ that’s raising middle England economy drones where they all get ten GCSE’s and have among the highest percentage of children going on to Uni… and get corrupted by the threat of unisex toilets, or that children at the school are soon to identify as cats.
They routinely vote for a party that makes everything worse. Every. Single. Time.
It’ll happen again. No question.
What country were you living in? The UK was fecked in 2010. Then things were going well under the Tories until somebody decided a Brexit vote would be a good idea.
If you call wholesale cuts to public services while spending increased and the national deficit increased, which was cited as the reason for austerity, going well then yeah it was a rave
Economy was back in growth and the budget deficit was being reduced. For that 5 or 6 years until the referendum everything was going in the right direction.
I’ve heard some takes, but this is insane. The UK wasn’t fcuked. The GFC fecked most countries. Austerity compounded its impacts.
A Labour government would have handled it far better.
Economy was back in growth in 2009. The budget defecit was an invented concept used as an excuse to finish the assest stripping and transfer of wealth Thatcher started in the 80s. Goverments need to spend money to make money, growth in other words.
After 14 years of austerity, the defecit is about the same as it was before the the 08 crash. And what do we have to show for it?
Going in the right direction
Economy was back in growth in 2009. The budget defecit was an invented concept used as an excuse to finish the assest stripping and transfer of wealth Thatcher started in the 80s. Goverments need to spend money to make money, growth in other words.
After 14 years of austerity, the defecit is about the same as it was before the the 08 crash. And what do we have to show for it?
Going in the right direction
Yes but not as much of the growth was going to the extraordinarily well off so it doesn't count
https://news.sky.com/story/army-mus...-ex-defence-and-security-chiefs-warn-13098365
British Army credibility has been weakened by 20 plus years of hollowing out and diminished fighting power. Army morale is fragile," it added.
If the Army, or Navy or RAF is not seen as offering a credible deterrent, there is little point in having it.
British Army credibility has been weakened by 20 plus years of hollowing out and diminished fighting power. Army morale is fragile," it added.
If the Army, or Navy or RAF is not seen as offering a credible deterrent, there is little point in having it.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/382695/uk-foodbank-users/
Going in the direction, if you like the idea of the poorest in society not being able to afford food.
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The UK was hit harder than its peers, and harder than it should have been had Brown not relaxed regulations and pushed the financial sector to take more and more risks to prop up his spending plans. Through the GFC the UK economy was hit harder than the US and Euro area and from 2012 to the referendum UK growth matched the US and was well ahead of the Euro area. Those last few years of Labour made things much worse than they needed to be.
Economy was back in growth in 2009. The budget defecit was an invented concept used as an excuse to finish the assest stripping and transfer of wealth Thatcher started in the 80s. Goverments need to spend money to make money, growth in other words.
After 14 years of austerity, the defecit is about the same as it was before the the 08 crash. And what do we have to show for it?
Going in the right direction
The UK economy contracted by 4.6% in 2009. Literally the worst single year since the war.
Fascists.
Relaxed regulations the Tories didn't think were relaxed enough. Imagine if they'd been in charge at the time!
The UK economy contracted by 4.6% in 2009. Literally the worst single year since the war.
Semantics of financial reporting years. The year after the crash bottomed out, we had a 2.2% GDP growth.
Stats for anyone who cares...
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/timeseries/ihyp/pn2
The UK was hit harder than its peers, and harder than it should have been had Brown not relaxed regulations and pushed the financial sector to take more and more risks to prop up his spending plans. Through the GFC the UK economy was hit harder than the US and Euro area and from 2012 to the referendum UK growth matched the US and was well ahead of the Euro area. Those last few years of Labour made things much worse than they needed to be.
The UK economy contracted by 4.6% in 2009. Literally the worst single year since the war.
The Uk was hit hardest as it was ground zero for lending and insurance.
It’s proper fantasy stuff to see what the Tories have done in 14 years and allow yourself to believe that they didn’t coast on Labour success for the early period, and destroy the country with every passing year. Like, really mad, outside of reality thinking.
You can’t possibly think Austerity was good?
The amazing thing is that over ten per cent of the electorate may vote for these morons.
Mummy, the BBC called us a nasty name, the far right.
You can't make this insanity up.
Sunak is just a cnut and out of his depth, must be endure this shitshow until October?
Just a weak man in every sense of the word.