Westminster Politics

Vernon Philander said:
England win the Euros

growth in the economy rises to 2%+

inflation falls to below 2%

energy prices halve


lot of potential wins to mop up if he waits
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Channel crossings increase

New physical checks on imported goods from the end of April

Right wing rebellion assembles behind 1 candidate and the rebellion is big enough to oust him

More people's fixed term mortgages ending and higher repayments

Lot of potential problems, difference is most of these will definitely happen, whereas his potential wins are very likely to not happen.
 
Compton22 said:
Every time I think they hit rock bottom, they seem to find a new low. Been that way since the Owen Patterson scandal.
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Indeed ….Pandemic, war in Ukraine, Palestine, mass inflation ….a bottomless pit of shite.
 
Vernon Philander said:
England win the Euros

growth in the economy rises to 2%+

inflation falls to below 2%

energy prices halve


lot of potential wins to mop up if he waits
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Yes ok.
But each and every day he waits is another opportunity for yet more bad news. Like the current racist Tory donor.
And Sunak has handled this terribly by being so slow to react as well as refusing to hand the toxic donations back.

In some respects a lot of people have already made up their mind, especially about Sunak. As have 62 of the Tory MPs who have decided to not stand again.

As the saying goes....many a slip between cup and lip.
 
Buster15 said:
Yes ok.
But each and every day he waits is another opportunity for yet more bad news. Like the current racist Tory donor.
And Sunak has handled this terribly by being so slow to react as well as refusing to hand the toxic donations back.

In some respects a lot of people have already made up their mind, especially about Sunak. As have 62 of the Tory MPs who have decided to not stand again.

As the saying goes....many a slip between cup and lip.
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What's left that could cost the tories 5+ points though?

A big slip costing labour 10+ points seems more likely to me, given how the press is skewed. They'd jump on anything.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
He’ll have more of a sway over a large swathe of the electorate than any Tory in the next election. He’s actually good at working the culture war to his own benefit. The entire Tory party is just loud.

Irrelevant when outside the tent pissing in. But the feral little fecker is in the building now. He’ll find a little cohort of cnuts and poison the well in a meaningful manner. He’ll be toxic and loud. The Tories are traders in homeopathy by comparison.

Yeah there’s a layer of hyperbole there, it’s punched up. But I truly believe he can do more damage at election time than any of the Tories. They’re all dead. Toast.
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I honestly don't know what to say about this.

Galloway is a monumental twat but I honestly can't see any way in which he can be described as the most dangerous mp, in a time when we have a party and it's hundreds of mps who have destroyed public services in this country, removed us from the EU, inflamed tensions between communities and are openly leaning into the culture war. The mps who crashed the economy as pm and Chancellor are still there, as is the mp who spouted bile constantly about migrants and pro Palestine marches. The mp who called the mayor of London in thrall to islamists. The PM and MP who stokes culture war nonsense about trans rights. I could go on.

The only way this comment even slightly makes sense is if there's a suggestion that the Muslim community in this country is essentially a bubbling 5th column, ready to be whipped up into a frenzy by Galloway over Gaza.
 
As an aside, going back to the hester comments, it always pisses me off when people hide behind their own ethnic minority status as a reason they can't be racist. Which obviously is such a fascetious point.

Some of the most obvious anti black racism I've noticed within this country for instance has come from south Asians and Arabs. One colleague from an Indian background told me, without any hint of worry, that he'd be happy for his daughter to marry anyone, as long as they weren't Muslim or black. Braverman is dripping with derision for Muslims. I've heard Arabs make very casually racist comments around my much lighter skinned kids, not knowing their background. etc etc.

It's such an easy shield. And a ridiculous one. Pisses me off.
 
africanspur said:
I honestly don't know what to say about this.

The only way this comment even slightly makes sense is if there's a suggestion that the Muslim community in this country is essentially a bubbling 5th column, ready to be whipped up into a frenzy by Galloway over Gaza.
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This bit. Given enough runway, He’ll create a culture war in that space that actually divides people. He’s a cnut. But he’s a fairly effective one in the right (wrong) weather.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
This bit. Given enough runway, He’ll create a culture war in that space that actually divides people. He’s a cnut. But he’s a fairly effective one in the right (wrong) weather.
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Ah right, as opposed to the culture wars, faltering services, economic mismanagement and poverty we've had in the past decade, which are uniting people and haven't already had an awful and dangerous impact on so many peoples lives.

Nope, what's actually most dangerous are this primed for civil war religious minority and the cat mimicking buffoon at their head.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
He’ll have more of a sway over a large swathe of the electorate than any Tory in the next election. He’s actually good at working the culture war to his own benefit. The entire Tory party is just loud.

Irrelevant when outside the tent pissing in. But the feral little fecker is in the building now. He’ll find a little cohort of cnuts and poison the well in a meaningful manner. He’ll be toxic and loud. The Tories are traders in homeopathy by comparison.

Yeah there’s a layer of hyperbole there, it’s punched up. But I truly believe he can do more damage at election time than any of the Tories. They’re all dead. Toast.
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This is beyond hyperbole. I find posts like this so bizarre. We’ve had Tories run this country into the ground - it’s as worse as it’s ever been but we’re all meant to be afraid of GG and what he stands for? Come off it.
 
I'm not in Team Corbyn by any means but this conservative donor race row thing has me thinking how much he would have eviscerated the Tories over it. Starmer has no moral authority really because let's face it he'd take the cnut's money if he could, whereas Corbyn would be able to call the Tories out as the poodles that they are. It's a shame the Labour party in general is so cretinous on both its left and right wings.
 
TwoSheds said:
I'm not in Team Corbyn by any means but this conservative donor race row thing has me thinking how much he would have eviscerated the Tories over it. Starmer has no moral authority really because let's face it he'd take the cnut's money if he could, whereas Corbyn would be able to call the Tories out as the poodles that they are. It's a shame the Labour party in general is so cretinous on both its left and right wings.
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The best thing that can happen to democracy is to deprive it of big money, especially here in the UK, and more so in the US. Its hard to say how successful Corbyn would have been in attempting to weed out that rot, but I have no faith that Starmer would be able to curtail it. He's probably seen as malleable enough to be the recipient of these mega donors, who will just as quickly abandon him if/when the Tories restore a semblance of popularity again. Basically, we're stuck with being at the mercy of them until we have a complete rehaul of the system.
 
Adisa said:
Bloke is threatening his own MPs with an election.
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It's the only bit of 'power' he has left!

"You're only in a job because I haven't called a GE yet. Sure, I'll lose my job as PM once we have the catastrophic defeat, but I'm more likely to keep my MP job than you are!"
 
TwoSheds said:
I'm not in Team Corbyn by any means but this conservative donor race row thing has me thinking how much he would have eviscerated the Tories over it. Starmer has no moral authority really because let's face it he'd take the cnut's money if he could, whereas Corbyn would be able to call the Tories out as the poodles that they are. It's a shame the Labour party in general is so cretinous on both its left and right wings.
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His problem would have been the Union money and him being seen as their puppet. The donor scandal is really about influence buying and Corbyn's lack of distance from leading union figures would have hamstrung him. In all his time as leader I thought he was pretty ineffective in the media game.
 
WPMUFC said:
This could be the end of the party. Not because of Rishi being any good, but I genuinely think if they change again and go straight to an election, the electorate will crush them into the dirt.
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End of the party? Give over. It’s part of the fabric of this cursed country. An “institution” is an understatement.
 
Pexbo said:
End of the party? Give over. It’s part of the fabric of this cursed country. An “institution” is an understatement.
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I don't mean the party literally doesn't exist. But I think if they do this again, you could see an election result where they get 50,60,70 seats. Maybe worse. If that was to happen their role in government has ended for the foreseeable future.
 
I can actually see Sunak quitting rather than facing a humiliating loss. The guy will take the cowards way out, resign as an MP and move to the US.
 
Wonder if we'll see some Tory defections to Labour from Cameronite MPs no one as ever heard of in the run up to the election, in a desperate attempt for them to keep their seats. Labour will probably go for it if they think it will force a GE. Plus their ideology isn't going go be an issue.

We'll probably see a few of the knuckle draggers defect to reform in order to boost their new careers as a right-wing shills once they lose their seats.
 
Pexbo said:
End of the party? Give over. It’s part of the fabric of this cursed country. An “institution” is an understatement.
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It does seem unthinkable. On the other hand a party needs members to keep joining, and the average age of the Tory membership is 72, so they haven't been getting them recently. Financially they rely on big donors, but many of those are really seeking influence, and if there's no prospect of the Tories governing they might look elsewhere. And the same goes for those joining with dreams of being an MP and the gravy train, a lot aren't hugely ideological, they want the power, and without that will they bother?

There would still be some sort of right wing party though, so how much difference it would make I don't know, a rose by any other name and that, but it would be nice to have a good few years without them at least.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
More dangerous than Suella Braverman?

More dangerous than the party that illegally prorogued parliament?

Maybe, take a break and think about what you are agreeing with.
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All I would say is that if Galloway represents the first religious party with any real sway or impact then it might be true.

I might be mistaken but I don't see how religion based parties and politics is ever a good thing or advances a country at all.

Its one of the current dichotomies in politics because it used to be the left was about secularism and now because of the Corbyn disaster you hear them cheering Galloway on as an FU to Starmer.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
All I would say is that if Galloway represents the first religious party with any real sway or impact then it might be true.

I might be mistaken but I don't see how religion based parties and politics is ever a good thing or advances a country at all.

Its one of the current dichotomies in politics because it used to be the left was about secularism and now because of the Corbyn disaster you hear them cheering Galloway on as an FU to Starmer.
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The Workers Party of Britain isn't a religious party.
 
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