Westminster Politics

Why do posters keep acting like those who are worried about what Starmer says and does are essentially bolsheviks who want hardcore communism? Hard left this and hard left that. Utopia? What are you banging on about? The guy hasn't got a socialist bone in his body, so why would people who value fairness vote for a guy who has his track record?

If he was in charge of the Libdems and they were on the verge of a huge majority, I doubt any of us Leninist-Stalinist-Trots would give two shits. But he's in charge of the main socialist party and he's just going to be a better Tory than the Tories. That's it. He's already bent the knee to Murdoch. He's an apartheid apologist. He's gutted the left of the party. He's lied, backtracked and u-turned like he was the second coming of Boris Johnson. He's got principles but, like the old joke goes, if you don't like them he has others. How can people think he's going to be any different from the tories when he's in favour of pretty much the same things, and his main criticism of them is that they haven't done what they said they would, but he will?

I think you're going to be very disappointed but I hope that it's me who is wrong. I really do.
 
I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?

That would depend on who the coalition is with and what they demand wouldn't it?

When you look at the list of smaller parties and their probable demands it could be awful.

Labour and Reform.

Labour and SNP.

I'm not sure its worth it I'd rather have and clear Labour majority if I'm honest.
 
I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?

I understand that from the polling, but this complacency could mean a ridiculously low turnout which gives the Tories a chance.
 
You should vote for what you believe in, not against what you not believe in. The whole concept of representative democracy is to have someone who represents you.

And what’s the point of representative democracy if the one you vote for doesn’t get a seat at the table, never mind a majority?

You ‘should’ vote for the Party that (a) has a chance of winning power and (b) is closest aligned to your beliefs, then work on the next fight, then the next one.
 
And what’s the point of representative democracy if the one you vote for doesn’t get a seat at the table, never mind a majority?

You ‘should’ vote for the Party that (a) has a chance of winning power and (b) is closest aligned to your beliefs, then work on the next fight, then the next one.

Does anyone in the West actually understand what democracy even means and how it's supposed to work? I'm not sure anyone does, judging by the responses on this forum, including me.
 
Does anyone in the West actually understand what democracy even means and how it's supposed to work? I'm not sure anyone does, judging by the responses on this forum, including me.

I’d certainly hope so or my degree was worthless! I also understand that ideological / philosophical and practical / actual are polar opposites in 2024.

I’ve personally explained countless times where I sit philosophically, but I know that this country isn’t ready for that and so we need incremental change (rather than the economic revolution I’d personally like to see).
 
Does anyone in the West actually understand what democracy even means and how it's supposed to work? I'm not sure anyone does, judging by the responses on this forum, including me.
Democracy is two wolves and sheep deciding what's for dinner apparently :nervous:
 
I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?
Grown up politics during a coalition?

Oxymoron. Like literally won't happen just have glacial inability to govern and factionalism wars.
 
That would depend on who the coalition is with and what they demand wouldn't it?

When you look at the list of smaller parties and their probable demands it could be awful.

Labour and Reform.

Labour and SNP.

I'm not sure its worth it I'd rather have and clear Labour majority if I'm honest.

As if Labour would go into coalition with Reform! :lol:

Pure muppetry.
 
Grown up politics during a coalition?

Oxymoron. Like literally won't happen just have glacial inability to govern and factionalism wars.

The last coalition government was disappointing but it was far and away better than the governments that followed.
 
The last coalition government was disappointing but it was far and away better than the governments that followed.
Yes but that's not saying anything, they achieved very very little and the Lib Dems were unable to water down Tory ideology. Very much window dressing, all it did was put Lib Dems back about forty years.

In reality it laid the ground for the subsequent governments rather than hindering them.
 
That is the whole idea of representative democracy. If I actively choose to vote for someone who goes out and say "Israel has the right to commit collective punishments" I am complicit in their crimes. Because I chose actively. You chose what you think is closer to your values. Otherwise, cancel all other parties and it will only become a farce of a democratic process just like the American one, a bipartisan BS.
 
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That is the whole idea of representative democracy. If I actively choose to vote for someone who goes out and say "Israel has the right to commit collective punishments" I am complicit in their crimes. Because I chose actively. You chose what you think is closer to your values. Otherwise, cancel all other parties and it will only become a farce of a democratic process just like the American one, a bipartisan BS.
How are you complicit? Perhaps if you vote and the status quo support stays in, you're complicit too?
 
Yes but that's not saying anything, they achieved very very little and the Lib Dems were unable to water down Tory ideology. Very much window dressing, all it did was put Lib Dems back about forty years.

In reality it laid the ground for the subsequent governments rather than hindering them.

I don't agree it didn't achieve anything. The Lib Dems were dreadfully inept and naïve but actually their policy (that the Tories later claimed as their own) of raising the tax free threshold was very good for the economy and probably largely responsible for the trickle of growth that the Tories presided over. We're back to freezing tax free thresholds now and you can see the results. The Lib Dems being completely outmanoeuvred politically isn't proof that coalitions can't work.
 
Miniscule of a backbone from sajid. Who'd have thunk it.

Was fine when boris was spouting islamophobia though.
 
That half million from Reform starting to look really attractive to 30p Lee now.
 
And what’s the point of representative democracy if the one you vote for doesn’t get a seat at the table, never mind a majority?

You ‘should’ vote for the Party that (a) has a chance of winning power and (b) is closest aligned to your beliefs, then work on the next fight, then the next one.

If that's how everyone voted, here's what Labour should do with asylum seekers and people considered illegal immigrants: send them to Ghana. This would be a way to compete with the Rwanda asylum plan, with Ghana being a bit closer to UK than Rwanda is, with a safer and easier way to travel to, and Ghana being a wealthier and safer country than Rwanda.

This way Labour would compete with the anti-immigration policy of the Tories, picking up votes from people who are very against asylum seekers but think the Rwanda plan is a bit much, while everyone who recognizes that this is insane would also vote Labour because the Ghana asylum plan is marginally better for them than the Rwanda asylum plan is.
 
Wow. I wonder how?

I guess the government who has been running the country for the last 14 years is not to blame.

If only she had been in charge of domestic affairs and could have done something about this threat.

Don't you know she got kicked out by the elites for being too honest and capable?
 

This sort of rhetoric needs to be stamped out the same way the Jews control everything narrative.

Just goes to show how widely accepted Islamaphobia is.