https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ss-and-lee-anderson-to-lose-conservative-whip
Seems strange that this news is still not anywhere on the BBC site.
Seems strange that this news is still not anywhere on the BBC site.
I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?
I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?
You should vote for what you believe in, not against what you not believe in. The whole concept of representative democracy is to have someone who represents you.
And what’s the point of representative democracy if the one you vote for doesn’t get a seat at the table, never mind a majority?
You ‘should’ vote for the Party that (a) has a chance of winning power and (b) is closest aligned to your beliefs, then work on the next fight, then the next one.
Does anyone in the West actually understand what democracy even means and how it's supposed to work? I'm not sure anyone does, judging by the responses on this forum, including me.
Democracy is two wolves and sheep deciding what's for dinner apparentlyDoes anyone in the West actually understand what democracy even means and how it's supposed to work? I'm not sure anyone does, judging by the responses on this forum, including me.
Grown up politics during a coalition?I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?
That would depend on who the coalition is with and what they demand wouldn't it?
When you look at the list of smaller parties and their probable demands it could be awful.
Labour and Reform.
Labour and SNP.
I'm not sure its worth it I'd rather have and clear Labour majority if I'm honest.
Grown up politics during a coalition?
Oxymoron. Like literally won't happen just have glacial inability to govern and factionalism wars.
Yes but that's not saying anything, they achieved very very little and the Lib Dems were unable to water down Tory ideology. Very much window dressing, all it did was put Lib Dems back about forty years.The last coalition government was disappointing but it was far and away better than the governments that followed.
That is the whole idea of representative democracy. If I actively choose to vote for someone who goes out and say "Israel has the right to commit collective punishments" I am complicit in their crimes. Because I chose actively. You chose what you think is closer to your values. Otherwise, cancel all other parties and it will only become a farce of a democratic process just like the American one, a bipartisan BS.Why?
How are you complicit? Perhaps if you vote and the status quo support stays in, you're complicit too?That is the whole idea of representative democracy. If I actively choose to vote for someone who goes out and say "Israel has the right to commit collective punishments" I am complicit in their crimes. Because I chose actively. You chose what you think is closer to your values. Otherwise, cancel all other parties and it will only become a farce of a democratic process just like the American one, a bipartisan BS.
Yes but that's not saying anything, they achieved very very little and the Lib Dems were unable to water down Tory ideology. Very much window dressing, all it did was put Lib Dems back about forty years.
In reality it laid the ground for the subsequent governments rather than hindering them.
only if braverman is sanctioned. seems like most of the tory Mps cant stand anderson. he is a northern oik after all.Cue Tory party split.
And what’s the point of representative democracy if the one you vote for doesn’t get a seat at the table, never mind a majority?
You ‘should’ vote for the Party that (a) has a chance of winning power and (b) is closest aligned to your beliefs, then work on the next fight, then the next one.
Well, he's Muslim so kinda has to take a stand.Miniscule of a backbone from sajid. Who'd have thunk it.
Was fine when boris was spouting islamophobia though.
Whats taken him so long?Well, he's Muslim so kinda has to take a stand.
Only by birth.Well, he's Muslim so kinda has to take a stand.
And when he wants to be the first "Muslim X minister"Only by birth.
Wow. I wonder how?
I guess the government who has been running the country for the last 14 years is not to blame.
If only she had been in charge of domestic affairs and could have done something about this threat.