Westminster Politics

Dobba said:
He'll be delighted that it turns out the real people to blame for the farce in the Commons this week are those pesky Muslims again.
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In the GE it won't do a lot of his candidates much good in some seats; unless he's counting on swinging a few disillusioned Tories (with bias) going his way in seats that would benefit... whats lost on the roundabouts is gained on the swings*
Definitely a wolf our Keir

(* for @Pexbo ... no quotation marks ;))
 
Maticmaker said:
In the GE it won't do a lot of his candidates much good in some seats; unless he's counting on swinging a few disillusioned Tories (with bias) going his way in seats that would benefit... whats lost on the roundabouts is gained on the swings*
Definitely a wolf our Keir

(* for @Pexbo ... no quotation marks ;))
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Managed to get your classic italics in though. :D
 
TheGame said:
UK politics - look at our shitshow

US Politics - hold my beer.

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The absolute state of her. The fact that she's even parading herself about again after so publicly shitting herself is ridiculous in itself.

There is zero shame or accountability anymore. You can be consistently wrong and made to look like an idiot and you will just keep getting work.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
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As soon as she turned up at that Ultra Tory conference thing it was clear as day she was going to persue a career as a right-wing shill. You don't need any skill or talent, just recognition and social media followers. As long as you repeat whatever the hive is thinking. Easiest gig a morally corrupt person can get.
 
Bunch of silly nonsense, arguing away as if anybody in the wider world gives a shit what the UK government thinks about Israel.

Political points scoring gone nasty, and for some reason some members of the public think it matters.
 
James O'Brien seems to have started to embrace the "footballification" of politics that he used to be so dead against. If the shoe was on the other foot and Sunak or Johnson pulled what Starmer did during that debacle there is no way his analysis would be in any way similar.
 
Shinjch said:
James O'Brien seems to have started to embrace the "footballification" of politics that he used to be so dead against. If the shoe was on the other foot and Sunak or Johnson pulled what Starmer did during that debacle there is no way his analysis would be in any way similar.
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To James, hypocrisy is always something that happens to other people.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
You know that politics in this country have gone to shit when you can look back at David Cameron and think "he was more ministerial than the folk who came after him", and he was a bullying prick of a man.
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And feck pigs
 
I find that if the Speaker changed procedure because someone suggested that MP's of whatever persuasion would be at risk of intimidation or violence then he should resign immediately and whoever persuaded him to do it, if that was the case, then they should resign too.

This sets a dangerous precedent if MP's or the Speaker or Parliament can be influenced in this way.

The system is dead.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I find that if the Speaker changed procedure because someone suggested that MP's of whatever persuasion would be at risk of intimidation or violence then he should resign immediately and whoever persuaded him to do it, if that was the case, then they should resign too.

This sets a dangerous precedent if MP's or the Speaker or Parliament can be influenced in this way.

The system is dead.
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Surprised he's not gone yet tbh.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I find that if the Speaker changed procedure because someone suggested that MP's of whatever persuasion would be at risk of intimidation or violence then he should resign immediately and whoever persuaded him to do it, if that was the case, then they should resign too.

This sets a dangerous precedent if MP's or the Speaker or Parliament can be influenced in this way.

The system is dead.
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Well. I am well sure that this kind of intimidation at any level is the bread and butter in politics. That is why we are ending with the worse kind that are blackmailed left and right and/or is a sell out. 90 % of all the MP in all parliaments in the world are like this to a certain degree
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I find that if the Speaker changed procedure because someone suggested that MP's of whatever persuasion would be at risk of intimidation or violence then he should resign immediately and whoever persuaded him to do it, if that was the case, then they should resign too.

This sets a dangerous precedent if MP's or the Speaker or Parliament can be influenced in this way.

The system is dead.
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It was the lamest excuse he could have given. Basically stating outside intimidation/threats work. Probably put MPs at more risk after that statement.

The slightest fear of violence will change policy. Fire bombs away then!
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Tory MP Lee Anderson claims ‘Islamists’ have got control of Sadiq Khan

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...aims-islamists-have-got-control-of-sadiq-khan

fecking hell... BBC completely silent on this news, to nobody's surprise.
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GB news should be forced into a disclaimer of being a Conservative Political Party entity. It should be forced to be associated with the party and not some kind of independent right wing video platform. This is a news outlet created for one political party to use and promote whilst they are in government. It's filled with serving MP's, so it's essentially government-media.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Targeted a lot less than Corbyn which basically nukes his entire opposition and electoral chances.

Principles? Pfft they're what you hold when you have feck all influence and power.

He needs to get elected first.

Every, I swear to god, everything else comes after.
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You'll get the government your deserve worth this approach. Mark my words.
 
WPMUFC said:
GB news should be forced into a disclaimer of being a Conservative Political Party entity. It should be forced to be associated with the party and not some kind of independent right wing video platform. This is a news outlet created for one political party to use and promote whilst they are in government. It's filled with serving MP's, so it's essentially government-media.
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Labour voter - Winning elections is the most important thing. Starmer needs to everything he can to get into power then change will happen.

The same Labour voter - The tories have fecked the country and used up all credit cards. Labour will only be able to do austerity in power.
 
Sweet Square said:
Labour voter - Winning elections is the most important thing. Starmer needs to everything he can to get into power then change will happen.

The same Labour voter - The tories have fecked the country and used up all credit cards. Labour will only be able to do austerity in power.
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Versus what?

“I’ll happily vote for a Party that has zero chance of gaining power in this political system, allow the Tories to potentially scrape through for another five years, and if they do I get to blame Labour!”

Is that about right?
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Versus what?

“I’ll happily vote for a Party that has zero chance of gaining power in this political system, allow the Tories to potentially scrape through for another five years, and if they do I get to blame Labour!”

Is that about right?
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You should vote for what you believe in, not against what you not believe in. The whole concept of representative democracy is to have someone who represents you.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Versus what?

“I’ll happily vote for a Party that has zero chance of gaining power in this political system, allow the Tories to potentially scrape through for another five years, and if they do I get to blame Labour!”

Is that about right?
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Yeah, that's always about the size of it. Basically, give me utopia and unachievable manifesto pledges so I can feel warm and fuzzy.

Oh, they didn't get elected, well it's someone else's fault.
 
Sweet Square said:
:lol:
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I mean, if you wait around for people who align to your ideals or who "represent you" (what a vague term) then you'll be waiting a long time.

Like, what politician would you say represents the opposite of you?

Because for me, it's the Tories, they're the ones who I disagree with the most and whom I despise.

So my representation is who ever can get this virus out of parliament.

I don't agree with Labour on a lot but they have the best shot. I can't take and the county can't take another five years of this cancer.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Versus what?

“I’ll happily vote for a Party that has zero chance of gaining power in this political system, allow the Tories to potentially scrape through for another five years, and if they do I get to blame Labour!”

Is that about right?
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I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?
 
TwoSheds said:
I hate to break it to you but there's absolutely no chance whatsoever the Tories get a majority. This election is a free hit - vote Labour, Lib Dem, Green, whatever your heart tells you. Worst case Labour have to go into a coalition and might have to do some grown up politics for once, building cross-party consensus between non-mentalists, wouldn't that be awful?
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I'm starting to think this may be the case. It really seems like a lot of conservative voters are just going to stay home.
 
DavelinaJolie said:
I'm starting to think this may be the case. It really seems like a lot of conservative voters are just going to stay home.
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The Conservatives are, almost to a member, but particularly a Parliamentary member, both hopeless and utterly worthless. They've presided over 14 years of spectacular and divisive failure, they're fractured, they're corrupt, they're washed. Everything they have said over their reign of terror gets proven to be untrue to a greater extent every day. Starmer or the Lib Dems will win the votes of the majority of "small c" Conservatives that actually bother to vote.

If you actually want change you can vote for literally whoever that is. Worst case you will help that party earn some more money as long as they get the minimum number of votes to qualify for state funding. If they get enough votes it will send a message to the eventual ruling party, and in the best case they might even get enough votes to form a coalition.

All the hand wringing needs to stop and you need to have the balls to vote for whoever best represents you, as we should have the luxury of doing at every election but frankly don't. Take this rare opportunity you've been given.
 
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