Westminster Politics 2024-2029
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I look forward to the next election having 20% turnout!
Jenrick and Badenoch 
. Absolutely useless.
. Absolutely useless.Jenrick is a fake right-wing politician. He used to be centrist and switched to try and worm his way back to relevancy. Hilarious that he’s already been caught taking ‘donations’ from people for political favours. The kind of thing that used to end careers. Here he is again four years later.
Surely it’s just going to split the reform vote anyway. I don’t see either of them being big enough personalities to win any sections of voters over. Like @Superden says, they will try to out-crazy each other and say things like maternity has gone too far
It's why I expect Kemi to win. Everyone knows Jenrick isn't what he's claiming to be and he does a bad job selling it.
From a Labour standpoint I think she'd be the easiest to beat at the next election. I always thought Cleverly would be a decent Tory leader even if I didn't agree with his policies so I'm glad he's lost out.
Kemi is going to be as bad as Truss. I expect serious gaffes and she being totally out of her depth.
I hope the electorate see it there. I'm not entirely convinced that a Reform chasing Tory party can't win an election with a low turnout and a fractured non Tory vote.
Before 2029 the conservatives and reform will be a single party, and farage will be leading it.
Taking current polls, during the supposed labour honeymoon period, they are about 18 points ahead of labour combined, and that will go higher. Farage Pm in 2029.
Taking current polls, during the supposed labour honeymoon period, they are about 18 points ahead of labour combined, and that will go higher. Farage Pm in 2029.
I’m not sure if it will be Farage but yeah overall I think this will happen. Whoever the current Tory leader will be won’t make it to the next election.
We’ll have to see what happens. Labour are already widely unpopular , even amongst a lot of their own supporters. They look to be mulling another round of austerity.
If the economy doesn't pick up, austerity continues, the boat crossings continue and the tory leader makes a deal with Farage......
Neh isn’t Kemi just super combative? Can’t see her winning surely?!
Saying that isn’t it the party voting now? So maybe they’ll like it.
Farage enjoys the show of it all. Can’t see him being remotely interested in the detail of being anywhere near the cabinet let alone the hot seat
Farage goes where the money is, he always has done. Being a trumpist on the right wing show scene in the US pays more than being an MP, hence hes out there now.
Being Pm is a license to print money, as johnson and now starmer show us. He'll want a piece of that.
Nah mate. She considers everything and speaks very deliberately. Which is why she never has any gaffes. Keep up.
Cleverly was obviously their best candidate, I'm amused he lost.
We're only a few months in, interest rates are on a downwards slope, we haven't even had their first budget yet, the messaging gaps have been identified yet everyone thinks it's game over. The doom and gloom is being massively over done.
Me.
I think Tugenhat was tbf. Ex-soldier, can pass for normal in a crowd, mild by conservative standards but still has reasonably repulsive views going by the population at large, talks passably well. The members vote will drive them off a cliff I think, it's only a question of whether the Labour folks can chase their cart off after it really.
Oh yeah forgot about that. She doesn’t hack Labour webpages either.
It seems like his supporters fecked up with their second votes.
Right on both counts about the cliff. I haven't seen much of Tugenhat I admit but the two 'winners' are complete shitheads. I see good laughs on the way
Such a non-story!
Various so-called journalists (I expect better from Sam Coates) trying to link the two, conveniently forgetting that, a week prior, concerts were cancelled because of a terrorist threat!
Its absolutely right that blue light security was offered.
In response to the free £300 ticket (not normally one to quote Collymore but he’s bang on the money here)
https://teitter.com/stancollymore/status/1844092962327953503?s=46
There'll be another Tory leadership contest before the next general election.
Whilst I thought Cleverly's "we need to be normal" speech was the sanity moment they needed to hear, it seems quite obvious that it went down like a sack of spuds with the room.
It is ridiculous. The Singapore government paid Swift millions for exclusivity in SE Asia and her visit led to a jump in inflation in Sweden, so hardly surprising people are getting involved and she needed loads of security.
Funny that the voters are now better at tactical voting than the people who want to run the country
A Con-Form amalgamated party is now inevitable, isn't it?
Wait, why was this granted? Has something dramatic happened recently?
Just the usual university free speech issues that happen most years but heightened now due to Israel's ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
There seems to be questions on Labour implementing the Free Speech Act and the right wing media trolls kicking up a fuss.
Once again showing that Lindsay Hoyle is useless. Urgent questions should be, shockingly enough, urgent.
Mind boggling decision from the Tories.
I think they had two clear choices: choose a "centrist" and pursue the centre/ the left of the Tory party who were sick of the Truss/Boris/Sunak shitshow and abstained/went to the Lib Dems, or continue more of the same culture wars and go for a rabid right winger and try win back the Reform exiles.
The Reform voters have been lied to by successive Tory governments - there's little chance they are going to win these voters back when Farage is promising them the world (but unlike the Tories, doesn't need to deliver). Moreover, I don't see Reform falling away like UKIP - their purpose is much more ambigious and will be much more immune to scandal because their voter base a) isn't engaged enough to care or b) enjoys inflicting pain on others.
It won't be good for the country to have Badenoch or Jenrick continuing the same manufactured culture wars, but for Labour, they will be easier to defeat at an election than a unifying Tory centrist.
I think they had two clear choices: choose a "centrist" and pursue the centre/ the left of the Tory party who were sick of the Truss/Boris/Sunak shitshow and abstained/went to the Lib Dems, or continue more of the same culture wars and go for a rabid right winger and try win back the Reform exiles.
The Reform voters have been lied to by successive Tory governments - there's little chance they are going to win these voters back when Farage is promising them the world (but unlike the Tories, doesn't need to deliver). Moreover, I don't see Reform falling away like UKIP - their purpose is much more ambigious and will be much more immune to scandal because their voter base a) isn't engaged enough to care or b) enjoys inflicting pain on others.
It won't be good for the country to have Badenoch or Jenrick continuing the same manufactured culture wars, but for Labour, they will be easier to defeat at an election than a unifying Tory centrist.
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That was their big promise pre election, to be enacted in the first 100 days.
Example 736 of why 'gifts' are not just a bit of tabloid gossip, but bribes that have actual, real world consequences.
They'll be lucky if there isn't another one before Christmas!
To be fair I think their 'misuse' started before him around Brexit time. They're quite common now, although it has to be said the Tories didn't always show or sent a junior minister.
In some ways, having badenoch facing off against starmer every week for a year or two might actually benefit the tories.
She believes in nothing, but can be convincing that she does on culture war stuff. Starmer is incredibly weak and easily bounced into utterly ridiculous policies. If you had to lose a couple of years of political pressure, replacing it with 2 years of her screaming at him about immigrants, and starmer constantly saying he is doing more, without anything changing, wouldn't necessarily be a negative for the tory party right now.
Whoever wins, Jenrick has at least done better than the last time he stood to be a leader: