Westminster Politics 2024-2029

Isn't it normal that e.g. people should be worried about the housing market even if they personally have a house they don't want to move from? You can know things are a massive problem for the country without it directly causing you problems personally. The clear outlier in that post is the immigration one - completely media driven to distract from real problems.
 
Replaced by Morgan McSweeney.

When mcsweeeney was in charge of Labour Together, it was fined for failing to declare £730,000 worth of donations & committing more than 20 breaches of electoral law.

Just so we all know the quality of people running the country.

Take everything that you think dominic cummings is, multiply it by 10, and add a vindictive streak a mile wide, and that is mcsweeny.
 
So, further to the mcsweeney thing, be prepared for the story about ciorruption to get worse.

Sue Gray lost her job, but her son was installed as a candidate and is now an MP. One bit of nepotism doesn;t mean a trend though right.

McSweeneys wife is called Imogen Walker, and in the same way she was put up as the candidate for Hamilton & Clyde Valley from central office. She is now the MP.

The man who chose both as the single name on a canddiate list for each constituency works for lord alli, the man who likes to buy other people's wives their dresses.
 
Meanwhile…for NI residents (and interested others) -


Except the UK budget hasn't been announced yet; and is that the windfall from Apple taxes that the Irish government really didn't want to collect?

BBC can do better than this.
 
Except the UK budget hasn't been announced yet; and is that the windfall from Apple taxes that the Irish government really didn't want to collect?

BBC can do better than this.
Did you read the article?

The €14bn (£11.7bn) tax windfall from Apple will be spent, and forms part of the €25bn (£20.8bn) budget surplus the government will have this year…and further large headline surpluses are forecast for the coming years. Hence the establishment of a sovereign wealth fund given that this tax bonanza could end one day.

By contrast, much of the discussion around the British budget has centred on the "£22bn black hole" in the public finances and whether that should be filled with tax rises, spending cuts or a tweak to the "fiscal rules" which would allow more borrowing.

It may be of course that the UK government is engaging in expectation management and the budget will be less miserable than advertised, as you’ve alluded to.

However, forecasts like the following don’t bode well for the future:

National debt forecast to treble over next 50 years​


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewlwkg82ggo

UK national debt is currently at almost 100% of GDP.

The OBR says its base scenario is a national debt of 274% of GDP in 2071, with risks from war, disease, cyber-conflict and trade tensions pushing that even higher.
 
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Did you read the article?

The €14bn (£11.7bn) tax windfall from Apple will be spent, and forms part of the €25bn (£20.8bn) budget surplus the government will have this year…and further large headline surpluses are forecast for the coming years. Hence the establishment of a sovereign wealth fund given that this tax bonanza could end one day.

By contrast, much of the discussion around the British budget has centred on the "£22bn black hole" in the public finances and whether that should be filled with tax rises, spending cuts or a tweak to the "fiscal rules" which would allow more borrowing.

It may be of course that the UK government is engaging in expectation management and the budget will be less miserable than advertised, as you’ve alluded to.

However, forecasts like the following don’t bode well for the future:

National debt forecast to treble over next 50 years​


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewlwkg82ggo

UK national debt is currently at almost 100% of GDP.

The OBR says its base scenario is a national debt of 274% of GDP in 2071, with risks from war, disease, cyber-conflict and trade tensions pushing that even higher.
No, I only skimmed the article and judged it premature.

How has Ireland come up with such a handsome surplus?
 
No, I only skimmed the article and judged it premature.

How has Ireland come up with such a handsome surplus?
It’s in the article. :lol:

Essentially…Ireland is in the unusual position of running a big budget surplus which gives the government lots of spending options.

Ireland is able to do this because a long standing pillar of its economic strategy has become freakishly successful in recent years.

Since the 1950s the country has had a policy of using tax incentives to attract foreign investment.

Even during the country’s bailout and austerity years in the late 2000s the government maintained a 12.5% rate of corporation tax, among the lowest in the developed world.

In the middle of the last decade some of the world's biggest companies began to reorganise their affairs in a way which meant they would pay a lot more tax in Ireland.

Ironically this was partially a response to the pressure on big companies to clean up their act on tax.
The principle was that companies should declare profits in locations where they have substantial real operations or activities rather than just a low-tax location where they happen to have an office with few employees.

Ireland fitted the bill - it was a tax-friendly jurisdiction but companies like Apple had long had real operations in the country, employing thousands of people.

What came next was the legal relocation of intellectual property (IP) assets to Ireland - the most valuable profit-earning parts of these businesses.

Apple's shift of IP assets in 2015 is widely believed to have been responsible for a wild swing in the country's GDP that year.

The profits generated by these assets has seen a flood of corporation tax receipts into the Irish Revenue.

In 2017 Ireland raised just over €8bn in corporation tax.

By last year this had ballooned to almost €24bn and is expected to be just under €30bn this year.
 
One of the most interesting things about recent westminster politics is the lack of interest in how we got here. Even in recent history, how did we go from people who we may disagree with politically but were not actually insanely corrupt jackasses, to johnson, truss and now clearly bought and paid for starmer?

There was an article in the observer about 3 weeks ago that explained how the labour right deliberatly threw 2 elections because they were worried about labour winning, ruining their career paths. It was an excerpt from a book written based off the stuff these same labour right , like mcsweeney, told the author, because they are proud of what they did.

The book is out now, and someone on twitter has been posting bits of it. This is why we got johnson and truss.

 


That's what you get when your policies are driven purely by ideology.

Everybody was telling them those policies wouldn't do what they wanted but they were more interested in pandering to the voter base. Personally I'd like to see them close the non-dom loopholes but they need to own the fact it will most likely cost money instead of trying to make up numbers to justify it.
 
One of the most interesting things about recent westminster politics is the lack of interest in how we got here. Even in recent history, how did we go from people who we may disagree with politically but were not actually insanely corrupt jackasses, to johnson, truss and now clearly bought and paid for starmer?

There was an article in the observer about 3 weeks ago that explained how the labour right deliberatly threw 2 elections because they were worried about labour winning, ruining their career paths. It was an excerpt from a book written based off the stuff these same labour right , like mcsweeney, told the author, because they are proud of what they did.

The book is out now, and someone on twitter has been posting bits of it. This is why we got johnson and truss.


Corbyn should have purged those cnuts from the party. His downfall is that he’s too nice.
 
That's what you get when your policies are driven purely by ideology.
These are both 'shots across the bow' stuff from Starmer, he is serious, but lots of other stuff needs seeing to first. I suspect once we have seen the detail from the upcoming budget Non-Dom/VAT on Private Schools, etc.will melt into the distance.... 'getting his retaliation in first' (straight from Mike Summerbee's playbook ;))
 
So Rishi isn't a true British but Badenoch is? Honestly we should drop these people off in Siberia somewhere and leave them to it.

Rishi married a brown woman, clearly still maintained open links to his culture, went to business school in the USA, worked there and had a green card and, if left to his own devices, probably would have wanted to focus mostly on economic issues.

If he were an American politician, he'd probably be a Blue dog Dem or a Romney style Republican.

Badenoch married a white man, has never mentioned her culture or heritage other than in a disparaging and almost certainly untrue way (insinuating her neighbours were being robbed on a daily basis), has leaned full time into the culture wars and is given carte blanche to say what most of her white colleagues couldnt say, by account of the amount of melanin in her skin. She's a Byron Donalds or Vivek.

So for some of these people.....in a perverse way. Yes she can be a 'true Brit'. For now at least.
 
I return to the epic read through of the story of how labour became a corrupt boil on the arse of politics.

He's near the end now, starmer has just won the leadership election, and what do they do? They do this.

Anyone telling you the bribes, the 'gifts' and the corruption are accidental are only fooling themsleves. starmer's team chased the big money like a dog chasing a car.

 
Despite being top just 24 hours ago, Cleverly is now out. Admittedly an incredibly low bar but the final 'semi sane' one is out.

Badenoch or Jendrick, one of the 2 crazies will be leader.
 
Despite being top just 24 hours ago, Cleverly is now out. Admittedly an incredibly low bar but the final 'semi sane' one is out.

Badenoch or Jendrick, one of the 2 crazies will be leader.
Been thinking Jenrick will win all along tbh- he's had rabid support from the right wing press for being pretty much fascist and overtly xenophobic (being generous).
 
Been thinking Jenrick will win all along tbh- he's had rabid support from the right wing press for being pretty much fascist and overtly xenophobic (being generous).
I’ve always assumed Jenrick will win.
 
Been thinking Jenrick will win all along tbh- he's had rabid support from the right wing press for being pretty much fascist and overtly xenophobic (being generous).

Ita going to be great having 2 fascist leaders in parliament. Going to be very healthy for our political climate.
 
That’s shocking. Cleverley was a shoe in in my eyes. Assumed the right wingers would split their votes between Racist Number 1 and Racist Number 2.

That party is toast.
 
Jenrick or Badenoch. Its going to be fun watching them trying to out batshit crazy each other to appeal to the tory members.
wonder if the one nation tories will finally split, especially now as they are in opposition (nulling the argument of better being in the tent than outside whilst in power) and neither of these 2 increases their electoral chances.
 
Jenrick is a fake right-wing politician. He used to be centrist and switched to try and worm his way back to relevancy. Hilarious that he’s already been caught taking ‘donations’ from people for political favours. The kind of thing that used to end careers. Here he is again four years later.

Surely it’s just going to split the reform vote anyway. I don’t see either of them being big enough personalities to win any sections of voters over. Like @Superden says, they will try to out-crazy each other and say things like maternity has gone too far :lol:
 
God, the prospect of another four and a half years of this dreadful Labour government while the Tories spend all that time stoking immigrant hatred and culture wars, aided and abetted by the press, is going to be fun.