If we still had Tevez and Ronaldo, our front line would be as good as Barca's today and we would easily be able to compete against them today. In other words, they would not walk over us, like they do now, if we still have those players.
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If we still had Tevez and Ronaldo, our front line would be as good as Barca's today and we would easily be able to compete against them today. In other words, they would not walk over us, like they do now, if we still have those players.
The speculation feels a bit thin on this one.
He's class and would sign for us. Fergie has always said he would have to buy established players when Scholes and Giggs retire.
Do it!
He's class and would sign for us. Fergie has always said he would have to buy established players when Scholes and Giggs retire.
Do it!
He definitely would be interested in signing for us but the question is, will Fergie be willing to spend £30-35m on him?
City are knobs, they already have a brilliant player for that role in David Silva.
They're clearly just trying to buy these players so that we don't get them.
They're clearly just trying to buy these players so that we don't get them.
I don't think the fee is as big an issue as his reported 200k a week net salary.
Salary has always been more of an issue with the club than fees I reckon.
Hence why we signed a homeless lad instead of VDV last year.
Unless Mancini wants to suddenly change to an attacking side. Silva and Sneijder playing off Tevez would be scary
That'd be like Wenger changing his policy to make his side defensive!
Seriously?
We had them both in the '09 final and the outcome/performance was virtually the same as this season's.
The difference between Barca and ourselves is centre midfield. That much is obvious.
I agree with Donut's point.
Tevez didn't play in the 09 final and the tactics were completely wrong.
Tactics my arse.
What happened in 09 was exactly the same as what happened this year.
We were strong for ten minutes then fell apart as soon as we allowed Barca to play their game.
We have lacked for some time now, a strong midfield that can keep hold of the ball.
This is true. They have the best in the world and we have probably the worst in the Champions League. It's terrible imo.
Chelsea and Schalke would argue that point
Except that one of them didn't start.
ANd knew he was on his way out of the club too
Absolutely. People are still harping about how the tactics were wrong in Rome but seriously, with Fletcher suspended and Hargreaves injured what the hell could we have done differently? Get in their faces while they're nervous, score a quick goal then park the bus. That was the plan and it could have worked if we had converted one of our early chances.
The only wrong decision was subbing Anderson at half time. We conceded the midfield entirely. In retrospect, it's quite amazing that Fergie went for the Giggs-Carrick combination again this year, considering we were massacred with only those two in central midfield during the second half in Rome.
I'm not debating that the midfield let us down, of course it did, but the tactics were shit too. "Get Ronaldo the ball" sums them up.
But yeah, we never would've beaten them bar a massive bit of luck, tactics or not, just saying though, they were crap.
You said we had Tevez in the 09 CL final...
... but he didn't play in it.
I'd say it's got quite a bit to do with it
D'feck?
Sorry, but that's just rubbish.
You said we had Tevez in the 09 CL final...
... but he didn't play in it.
I'd say it's got quite a bit to do with it
Tévez DID play in the 09 CL final, why do you say he didn't? He played the entire second half, we had Ronaldo, Rooney and Tévez on the pitch, failing to create anything at all while our ass was being kicked in midfield.
He didn't start the game, that was obviously the point, and we were already dead in the water by the time the 2nd half started.
Look, we can debate this endlessly, but we can just agree that with the midfield we had we had no real hope anyway, so the brilliance of our front 3 is maybe negligible, I was merely pointing out that they were used wrongly.
You said we had Tevez in the 09 CL final...
... but he didn't play in it.
I'd say it's got quite a bit to do with it
We did have Tevez in the CL final in '09.
He didn't start because, as Donut posted in the original statement in the sequence:
"Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo together didn't work."
Which is true (certainly to an extent). In contrast to RDCR07's laughable claim that if we still had those two then Barca wouldn't walk all over us.
Unless I've missed something and Tevez is two world class central midfielders combined into one Keane-Scholes-hybrid super being.
he didn't start and the game was gone by the time he came on, they played together for just TWENTY minutes before we then went even more gung ho and threw Berba into the mix.
how is that true?
Their only season playing week in week out together yielded the CL and PL double, wtf are you lot on?
Oh and just to throw this into the mix, Tevez not starting that night was an almighty feck up from SAF. I don't expect many to agree with this due to teh hatred of the ugly fella, but Tevez was excellent in helping us beat Barca the year before.
Our attack was not more prolific with them than without them. It got the best out of Ronaldo but not Tevez or Rooney.
Our defence + Ronaldo won us the CL that season. Plus a midfield that could compete with Barcelona at the time.
Nonsense, are you really going to dismiss Tevez and Rooney's contribution to that season like that? wtf
You do realise that we were looking at the CL trapdoor without this last minute goal vs. Lyon:
Lyon Vs Man Utd - Tevez 1-1
and that Tevez was also instrumental in our performances vs. Barca in the semis?
That's without even mentioning the OBVIOUS contribution that season of a certain Wayne Rooney.
Nothing laughable about that whatsoever.
of course it's laughable. The forward line was not the problem. We had like 2 shots on goal for the whole match. They pissed all over us in the middle of the park. It doesn't matter if we had Ronaldo and/or Tevez. The central midfield is what we lacked.. Put there young Scholes and Keane and it's another game. But ROnaldo and Tevez wouldn't make a difference.
Nah, on form, he didn't warrant a place in the team.
He had scored important goals prior to the game. I think he should have played but its easy to say it
Tevez was immense in the second leg at OT against Barca whether people like that or not. His contribution cannot be cast aside. His work rate that night was phenomenal and he never let the Barca back four settle.
Anyway back on track, are we getting Sneijder or not???
I'm certainly not dismissing the contribution of Rooney. Nor Tevez. They both put in more than their fair share of graft, and had vital goalscoring contributions along the way.
As an attacking trio they rarely excelled together though. It was not a fluid, gracious attacking combination. For all the individual talent it wasn't more effective than our current attack.
People have a tendency to fill in the blanks based on end results.
As an aside I agree that Tevez' contribution vs. Barca was impressive. Playing essentially as a ball-chasing midfielder. Very useful. It wouldn't be enough versus the Barca team of 09-11 though. Those cnuts are a different class now than what they were in '08.
He was one of our key players in the final 3 or 4 league games that season. Stunning goal agaisnt City and a huge goal against Wigan too
Why has this turned into a thread about Tevez? Could we not forget about that Judas neanderthal.
Besides, I get prematurely excited every time I see this thread get bumped
Besides, I get prematurely excited every time I see this thread get bumped
Why has this turned into a thread about Tevez? Could we not forget about that Judas neanderthal.
Besides, I get prematurely excited every time I see this thread get bumped
Exactly, take it elsewhere guys, and get back on track....
Lance, you can't have thought that through.
He was in his best form of the season at the stage:
First this...
and the following week he won us the league with this...
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