Wesley Sneijder

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RedThaiDevils#7 said:
Its the same logic like Modric, he can't play blah blah in 4-4-2, you are definitely overrating 4-4-2.

If Gibbo can do it for us, why can't a world class MF who has played for Ajax, RM, and Inter not do a job for us ?

4-4-2 is about position, passing, stamina and vision, Sneijder has all the qualities and he even puts in a good defensive shift when needed...

Who knows ? He might even be more effective playing in 4-4-2 than 4-3-3 as he will get more of the ball.

We will definitely see more of him if we do get him, but I am willing to bet it all that he can definitely do a great job for us.
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A great player like Sneijder can play everywhere, but he hasn't got defensive skills or a particular pace, stamina. Useless playing with him 50 meters far from the goal

Modric is another world, with other characteristics, he has scored 8 goals since 2008...
 
::sonny:: said:
A great player like Sneijder can play everywhere, but he hasn't got defensive skills or a particular pace, stamina. Useless playing with him 50 meters far from the goal

Modric is another world, with other characteristics, he has scored 8 goals since 2008...
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Go and watch more of Sneijder, his defense is fine, his stamina is a beast... He also has pace, much quicker than Scholes...

He is just deployed in a position that doesn't show the attributes mentioned but I've watched many of his RM matches to say he has all the qualities mentioned, he also has that passion and agression to win a match...

Are you imagine things or are we watching a totally different player ?
 
That's the part that confuses me... You're talking about him being at his peak as if it were a bad thing. Is it better to spend £20m on a player like Anderson because he has room for improvement? I don't understand how being below an uncertain peak is better than already being there (unless of course he was on his 30's and the time you expected to make use of his top form was more limited).

I understand the fears of something like Veron happening but that risk exists on every transfer, both promises and established players, and I think it happens less time on the later.
 
Arruda said:
That's the part that confuses me... You're talking about him being at his peak as if it were a bad thing. Is it better to spend £20m on a player like Anderson because he has room for improvement? I don't understand how being below an uncertain peak is better than already being there (unless of course he was on his 30's and the time you expected to make use of his top form was more limited).

I understand the fears of something like Veron happening but that risk exists on every transfer, both promises and established players, and I think it happens less time on the later.
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It's partly about business. A player at his peak and at an advanced age like Snide would cost in the region of 70-80 Million over the term of his contract with not much hope of recouping transfer fees in any future sale. Players like Anderson comes with favourable transfer fees combined with a low salary. If potential is fulfilled as hoped they end up giving the club a profit and less outlay over the course of his contract. There are obviously downsides to following this policy.
 
RedThaiDevils#7 said:
Sorry but I can definitely see this happen if we get either the CL or the PL...

40m ? We spent 60m on OH/Ando/Nani before when is was our transition period and if SAF see's that he needs to do that again, the gaffer will definitely do it if the players he wants are available for the right price.
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We spent £14m on Nani, £14m on Anderson, £17m on Hargreaves and £5m on Tevez one year loan (second year counts for 2008). A total of £50m. During the same period we sold players for a total of £31m, so it wasn't really that much net especially as Anderson and Nani were in instalments and we paid for them with Ronaldo money partially.
 
Matt23v2 said:
Yeah watch City offer about 50 million for him...and offer double for anyone we try and sign.
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That's why we have to change the way we do business. I suspect anyone we sign over the summer will be a signature that's captured by surprise rather than anyone we've been linked with long term. I could be wrong but I think that City will follow the path of offering double what we do for any player we're linked with.
 
RedThaiDevils#7 said:
Go and watch more of Sneijder, his defense is fine, his stamina is a beast... He also has pace, much quicker than Scholes...

He is just deployed in a position that doesn't show the attributes mentioned but I've watched many of his RM matches to say he has all the qualities mentioned, he also has that passion and agression to win a match...

Are you imagine things or are we watching a totally different player ?
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:lol::lol::lol:

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That was a penalty, the most stupid and evident foul I've ever seen
 
Aaron said:
That's why we have to change the way we do business. I suspect anyone we sign over the summer will be a signature that's captured by surprise rather than anyone we've been linked with long term. I could be wrong but I think that City will follow the path of offering double what we do for any player we're linked with.
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I'm not sure if you are saying that the players we have been linked with are either based on incorrect stories/disinformation and when we do sign someone it will be done quickly and quietly or whether you think we should change our targets based on the possibility of other teams becoming interested. I presume the former but if it's the latter then that would be an awful way if doing business. We should be buying players we have absolute faith in, not players we are more confident of being able to sign.
 
Brophs said:
I'm not sure if you are saying that the players we have been linked with are either based on incorrect stories/disinformation and when we do sign someone it will be done quickly and quietly or whether you think we should change our targets based on the possibility of other teams becoming interested. I presume the former but if it's the latter then that would be an awful way if doing business. We should be buying players we have absolute faith in, not players we are more confident of being able to sign.
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But we may not have any choice. It's impossible to keep a transfer target, if they are of the stature the fans expect, secret. Hernandez and Smalling have been brilliant but lets remember the reaction to the signings.

'Who?'

We may not have a choice but to carry on down that road. Yes they'll be players rightly identified as quality but they're not the big money, high profile signings that fans expect. Even people like Rodwell or Young, I'd be very surprised if City don't compete and possibly win those races too. Interest simply because of our own interest.

I hope I'm wrong but I'd be surprise if we didn't make only Hernandez/Smalling level of 'surprise' signings in the summer.
 
Sarni said:
We spent £14m on Nani, £14m on Anderson, £17m on Hargreaves and £5m on Tevez one year loan (second year counts for 2008). A total of £50m. During the same period we sold players for a total of £31m, so it wasn't really that much net especially as Anderson and Nani were in instalments and we paid for them with Ronaldo money partially.
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€30m actually.
 
Sultan said:
It's partly about business. A player at his peak and at an advanced age like Snide would cost in the region of 70-80 Million over the term of his contract with not much hope of recouping transfer fees in any future sale. Players like Anderson comes with favourable transfer fees combined with a low salary. If potential is fulfilled as hoped they end up giving the club a profit and less outlay over the course of his contract. There are obviously downsides to following this policy.
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I guess it makes some sense, the wage/transfer fee ration seems to be a lot bigger in top clubs than what it is for smaller ones.

The maximum we pay here must be in the region of £120k per month, even for a player that costed 11 million euros.
 
::sonny:: said:
I don't say he is not United quality, I say he is not a central midfielder
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I'm surprised with every post you post, what is Sneijder then ?

An AMC ?

Jesus, I bet you have watched less than 10 matches...

Sneijder definitely can defend, I've watched plenty of times where he made the right tackle, he can be hot headed sometimes and does put a wrong foot in which is just similar to Scholes.

Again, you over rate a CM for 4-4-2, its not everything about how to both attack and defend...

Scholes isn't the best defensively but can he play 4-4-2 and do a good job ? He's one of the best in the world...
 
::sonny:: said:
I don't say he is not United quality, I say he is not a central midfielder
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So because he was diploid as an attacking midfielder in the world cup he can't play Centre mid? Wasn't Scholes a support striker for Van Nistelrooy..
 
Mainoldo said:
So because he was diploid as an attacking midfielder in the world cup he can't play Centre mid? Wasn't Scholes a support striker for Van Nistelrooy..
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He used to play as CM for Real Madrid as well, and they sold him...

He can play in that role sometimes, but would like to play with Cristiano Ronaldo as a right back...He would play better than O'Shea but he would be wasted

The others examples I read, Scholes, Modric have other characteristics

His best season has been under Mourinho as an offensive midfielder behind 2 or 3 strikers.

Someone with his characteristics have to play 30 meters far from the goal, not 60.

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Sneijder

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::sonny:: said:
Can't work

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Why do you just assume he can't play in a 2 man midfield? Plus we don't play 4-4-2 as much as used to. Rooney keeps dropping to midfield and he is not the out and out striker he was last season. So Sniedjer will be fine.

What is it with you and Sneidjer? What is the reason for you hating him? You seem to be making some laming comments of late in this thread? You say he can't play in a 2 man midfield and then you posted a picture of him tackling Alves where you claimed he cannot tackle.
 
Of course City were going to be reported as being interested, and I think they will be in for him if he is on the move too. He is exactly the type of player they need. They play three in midfield but none of them is the creative one, if they can get one of the best creative midfielders around they will try to do that. And I don't think we will be competing with City, we know what they can pay, I'd rather we identified targets they won't go for and made deals quickly.
 
He is one of the most overrated players I've ever seen.

People talk as if he is in the class of Xavi or Iniesta. I even prefer Özil, who is several years younger.

His signing would also mean that Chicharito would be dropped, and that is not fair. More importantly, Rooney is currently playing in the same position that Sneijder does, and Rooney is so much better.

I prefer Rooney in the hole, with Chicharito ahead of him, rather than signing Sneijder and disrupting such an excellent system, and we would not be able to play 4-4-2 anymore. Please let us invest our money elsewhere.
 
johnmufc said:
He is one of the most overrated players I've ever seen.

People talk as if he is in the class of Xavi or Iniesta. I even prefer Özil, who is several years younger.

His signing would also mean that Chicharito would be dropped, and that is not fair. More importantly, Rooney is currently playing in the same position that Sneijder does, and Rooney is so much better.

I prefer Rooney in the hole, with Chicharito ahead of him, rather than signing Sneijder and disrupting such an excellent system, and we would not be able to play 4-4-2 anymore. Please let us invest our money elsewhere.
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Why do you think he is overrated? Top player.
 
Haven't read all posts, but get the impression that some like to think that he only plays just behind the striker, that's not entirely the case, or, at least, he is more versatile than that... When Van Basten was the Holland manager, he played Sneijder as a playmaker before the defense in a 4-3-3. Before that he played as the left or right sided midfielder in a 4-3-3 in Koeman's Ajax. Using him in a 4-4-2 would mean he'd have to play with a strong defensive midfielder alongside him, or against weaker opposition, as burdening him with to much defensive duties partly kills off his attacking qualities...

Then again, although I'd very much like to, I don't think he'll join us, as he's a greedy bastard, I see him joining City for EUR200k+

EDIT: Also, i think it is rubbish that Rooney should be playing behind the striker in a 4-4-1-1 or something similar. IMHO the only reason Rooney drops deep is because he knows there's no one in the team with the (long range) passing skills, creativity and vision other than himself. With Sneijder in the team, that would instantly change, and Rooney can focus on scoring 25+ goals a season again...
 
Ekeke said:
Sneijder has played CM in a 4-4-2. Was even Ajax's captain playing there

Some posters are silly
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The Dutch league is equivalent to our reserves these days isn't it?

I jest, I jest.
 
Wesley Sneijder and Rafael van der Vaart were interviewed on AT5 Studio Ajax today.

“Do I want to go to United? It’s a beautiful club,” he said. “But I’m fine in Milano and not at the point to think about it.”

“You see all those players from Manchester United and City are coming to London,” said van der Vaart. “So that says a lot about the city, I think. But it would be fun. Wes can also enjoy stopping by in London. Man United is a better club than Inter.”

Sneijder claimed that he would like to return to Holland at some point thought.

“When I return, whenever it happens, it will be for Ajax.”


Sneijder to United this summer :drool:

Now I'm beginning to get excited again...
 
I think he will join us if we show a serious interest.

His dead ball delivery will be a huge asset to us.
 
::sonny:: said:
He used to play as CM for Real Madrid as well, and they sold him...
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You know why ? Because he didn't have a galacticos name while he was one of their best players, RM = Circus.

::sonny:: said:
He can play in that role sometimes, but would like to play with Cristiano Ronaldo as a right back...He would play better than O'Shea but he would be wasted
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I know you are struggling but the above logic is :lol:

::sonny:: said:
The others examples I read, Scholes, Modric have other characteristics

His best season has been under Mourinho as an offensive midfielder behind 2 or 3 strikers.

Someone with his characteristics have to play 30 meters far from the goal, not 60.
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Oh, so a CM has to only spray 60m passes to have their best season ? I'm not disagreeing that his best season was behind the two strikers but he certainly has other capabilities and yet he might even benefit more if he plays 4-4-2 as he'll get the ball deeper and have more room to work with. Sneijder isn't all about the last ball and those 30m balls you are talking about, he has so much more in his game if you had watched him a lot more.

All in all, your comments are just coming from 1 season when you watched him play for inter and thus ruling out all his other capabilities.
 
RedThaiDevils#7 said:
You know why ? Because he didn't have a galacticos name while he was one of their best players, RM = Circuas
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Nah, he wasn't that good there, so they replaced him with Kaka who is a superior footballer but cannot get to play any decent football due to injury troubles. Ozil has done much better in his half a year there.
 
Sarni said:
Nah, he wasn't that good there, so they replaced him with Kaka who is a superior footballer but cannot get to play any decent football due to injury troubles. Ozil has done much better in his half a year there.
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He was good, he tucked in free kicks ( They were calling him the 2nd Becks ), he put in some great shifts and tackled well and passed the ball well, probably one of their best players along with Higuain that season but when the summer came, both of them were linked away due to Perez.

No argument about Ozil though, he's been amazing for them.
 
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