I honestly don't think we'll go into yet another season with this midfield irrespective of whether Cleverly comes in or not. Our midfield has been practically non existent in most of our away games and I don't think we'll be lucky enough next season to have our rivals be as shite as they have been this time. We need to improve and I think we will this time.
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I honestly don't think we'll go into yet another season with this midfield irrespective of whether Cleverly comes in or not. Our midfield has been practically non existent in most of our away games and I don't think we'll be lucky enough next season to have our rivals be as shite as they have been this time. We need to improve and I think we will this time.
06-07 was only a loan, he wasnt signed permanantly until 2007
It is exact same midfield we have had for three seasons and Ferguson definitely trusts it enough. When Scholes retires we will start looking but everyone will know we need a midfielder so there will be no value, hence one season delay in my opinion. We will not pay more than £20m for a midfielder so it won't be anyone of proven quality.
Slightly too technical for me. Football doesn't work that way.
Is it the same midfield? Those are the same players, of course, but we've never looked weak in midfield as we are today. Scholes is older, Giggs is older, Anderson hasn't progressed as we've hoped, Fletcher has had a disappointing season, Gibson hasn't progressed. Same names, but things do change. It's never the same. And it's never been as bad.
As for looking for a polayer after Scholes retires, if we don't sign a midfielder when he goes, people we'll know we'll be looking for one even the following year. It doesn't matter at all. Whether we bid for a player a year before Scholes goes or the year he goes or the year after, some club will know we're interested in their player. You sign a player when you need him and anything different is silly.
Stop considering random bollocks to be fact.
How do you know how much we will or won't spend on a midfielder?
I like how some posters come into every transfer thread and start sprouting their bollocks that we won't sign anymore etc etc. Fair enough, if that's your opinion but no need to post it in every thread.
Sarni must be "ITK", because he's been saying the same thing for months. "We won't sign him, he costs too much money, etc, etc."
Tedious.
Tedious.
You actually think we won't sign a midfielder this Summer?
I think the only reason SAF didn't last Summer was because he was expecting Hargreaves to return, Anderson to stop being fat/injured and Scholes to still make a big impact.
Only one of those is in any way possible to occur next year, and that's only if he puts down the pies.
SAF knows he needs to sign a midfielder this Summer, of course we will.
SAF has already said 'we know what we need to do' and that United has a plan in place for Scholes retiring.
I don't think Sarni or anyone else here is claiming that we won't sign a midfielder this summer, I'm almost certain we will.
The point is that we shouldn't expect it to be a big-money, Sneijder-like signing, especially if we're also going to buy an established goalkeeper. So to stick to the thread - I very much doubt we'll sign Sneijder.
The point is that we shouldn't expect it to be a big-money, Sneijder-like signing, especially if we're also going to buy an established goalkeeper. So to stick to the thread - I very much doubt we'll sign Sneijder.
We shouldn't expect it no, but we shouldn't write it off either or make statements like 'we won't' when we obviously have no idea whether we will or not as we don't work for the club. Statements like these are hunches, opinions and ideas based on no evidence yet people use them to ridicule other opinions sometimes.
We might, we might not. Nobody knows either way they only have their own opinions/ Whether we will or not doesn't really come into it, we can still talk about it and whether we will or not falls to SAF.
Sneijder is a bad example, £25m seems too low, didn't he recently sign a long term contract?
I don't see why SAF wouldn't spend 20m+ if he did want a certain midfielder though.
I don't see why SAF wouldn't spend 20m+ if he did want a certain midfielder though.
Not sure I agree with you. SAF will spend on the imortant elements of the team. so we may not pay a fortune for a FUll Back but we will for strikers, Goalkeeprs, Central Defenders & Central Midfiedl. Don't think we'll pay a fortune for a winger though - so that might rule Sanchez out.
By all accounts we are likely to by De Gea. As Scholes is retiring and let's not forget that Hargreaves is likely to leave also that leaves us with a Central Midfield of:-
Giggs (likely to retire soon and can't play every game)
Park (can only play 2 out of every 3 games)
Anderson (injury prone and takes a while to get fitness back - form inconsistent)
Carrick (playing some nice football now)
Fletcher (Does a good job for us effectively well)
Gibson (never going to make it at this level)
Even if Cleverley comes back in it is doubtful that he will be good enough to make it.
The biggest ace up SAF's sleeve is that we have a young player called Pogba to come in eventually (I would think sooner rather than later) who looks to be good enough to make incursions into the first team next season.
We need someone dominant in midfield and arguably we also need an attacking midfield player.
The dominant person is rumoured to be:-
De Rossi (I doubt it!)
Rodwell (expensive!!!)
Henderson (not good enough)
Charlie Adam (not good enough)
Lassana Diarra (could do a job but probably expensive)
After this I'm out of options
The attacking midfield player (effectively replacing Scholes is rumoured to be)
Schneider (possibly - would help unlock teams and good signing - but possibly expensive and too old at 27 for that price £25m+?)
Pastore (looks very good but probably way too dear at £40m+)
So to cap it all I feel there's a lot that we're hoping to come through from the reserves. In midfield we're hoping that Pogba & Morrison come through in the next 1 or 2 years!
Because we are likely to spend a significant amount of money on a goalkeeper, we don't have many players to offload and we aren't exactly a club with a huge transfer budget (on the basis of the past few years). I cannot see us spending £40m net all of a sudden.
Thing with Sneijder is, he has been a recognized playmaker for five years or so and moved twice during that period. He was available at slightly more than £10m and we didn't make a move. That's why I doubt Ferguson will all of a sudden wake up and decide that he is the player for us, usually when we pay a significant amount of money for a player they have been followed for years. And don't bring Berbatov as an example because we did bid for him when he was still at Leverkusen but he chose Tottenham.
We don't know that though, there is money in the bank shown on the statements, there is money in the bank according to Gill, there is money in the bank according to SAFerguson, there is a plan in place to replace Scholes according to SAFerguson, yet RedCafe always says 'nah, it's all lies we're skint.'
We are likely to spend as much money as we need to. We don't spend it when we don't need to, i.e winning 3 titles back to back. We now need to, there is more reason that we will than reasons that we won't.
Let's just wait and see. I think we will be pleasantly surprised.
Sounds remarkably like someone we already have!
Gibson?
Conversely I can't see anyone suggesting that we certainly will sign a big money midfielder, but it seems odd to rule it out entirely.
The thing with replacing Scholes is he is retiring earlier than Fergie would liked, I am sure. In an ideal world he would've wanted Pogba/Morrison to have had a couple of seasons breaking through into the first team with Scholes still around to allow that transition because they clearly have an abundance of talent, and we are a club that like to give young talented players a chance. With the two young players still probably a couple of years off to challenge the first eleven it leaves us with a decision on who to sign to replace Scholes this summer, obviously making the assumption he will retire.
- Do we buy somebody young such as a Sneijder/Pastore/Ganso to be the future of our midfield, which will inevitably affect the progress of these two young players?
- Do we buy a stopgap for centre midfield until Morrison/Pogba are ready such as Scott Parker?
- Or do we buy a quality squad player such as Ashley Young (who can play on the wing, off the striker and an advanced role in a central 3) to strengthen the midfield, and allow first choice centre midfield to be between Ando, Fletch, Carrick for the next couple of seasons until the young boys give it a shot?
If Pogba/Morrison aren't up to it, being the long-term solution to central midfield, then we should probably look on the market for a big money signing to be brought in and become our 'new Scholes' so to speak.
The last option I mentioned would be the most likely scenario if I were to put money on it!
- Do we buy somebody young such as a Sneijder/Pastore/Ganso to be the future of our midfield, which will inevitably affect the progress of these two young players?
- Do we buy a stopgap for centre midfield until Morrison/Pogba are ready such as Scott Parker?
- Or do we buy a quality squad player such as Ashley Young (who can play on the wing, off the striker and an advanced role in a central 3) to strengthen the midfield, and allow first choice centre midfield to be between Ando, Fletch, Carrick for the next couple of seasons until the young boys give it a shot?
If Pogba/Morrison aren't up to it, being the long-term solution to central midfield, then we should probably look on the market for a big money signing to be brought in and become our 'new Scholes' so to speak.
The last option I mentioned would be the most likely scenario if I were to put money on it!
I don't see Morrison as a CM replacement for Scholes. We'll stick him out on the wing first to learn his trade there before bringing him in to CEntral Midfield. Different with Pogba. I CAN see him getting some outings next season in CM. Same age as Gerrard when Gerrard broke through!
We won't buy Parker. He was available years ago and SAF doesn't like him. I can absolutely see us going for Ashley Young more than Sanchez as we need someone to add variety from the left to help open teams up and Young can play there AND add variety as he also plays through the middle.
Fact is: we need an experienced or world class signing to add to our make up. It could be in CM, LM, or AM. I personally think we could do with 2 out of these 3 as with Scholes gone, Hargreaves gone & Anderson not reliable (in injury terms) we can't take gambles next season.
So I can see Pogba coming on - but not sure where the future lies for Wellbeck & Cleverley as I'm not sure I can see them breaking through. They did well while on loan, but injuries have cut short their progress.
We won't buy Parker. He was available years ago and SAF doesn't like him. I can absolutely see us going for Ashley Young more than Sanchez as we need someone to add variety from the left to help open teams up and Young can play there AND add variety as he also plays through the middle.
Fact is: we need an experienced or world class signing to add to our make up. It could be in CM, LM, or AM. I personally think we could do with 2 out of these 3 as with Scholes gone, Hargreaves gone & Anderson not reliable (in injury terms) we can't take gambles next season.
So I can see Pogba coming on - but not sure where the future lies for Wellbeck & Cleverley as I'm not sure I can see them breaking through. They did well while on loan, but injuries have cut short their progress.
Disagree with part of that. Pogba/Tunnicliffe won't be breaking through until at least 12/13. Fergie wouldn't have thought Scholes would still be a regular at 38. And as said above, Morrison isn't a CM in the same mould as Scholes.
Sneijder plays his best football in the role Rooney is excelling in right now, I think we are looking more for a CM who plays in the role of a latter day Scholes.
You are absolutely right.
Sniejder isnt worth it
And also the fact that they won't all make it.
Likelihood, not fact.
Stunning free kick from him today. He's easily worth 25m.
Was quite a free kick, had the bend on it with a lot of pace.
Sneijder is a superb player, his goal threat is amazing for a midfielder. The fact he can hit corners as well can't be overlooked for a team like United. Easily worth 30 million IMO.
I also don't get the too old for that money thing, he's at his peak and will probably be for quite a few more years. Who cares about resale value, are you feeder club now?
I also don't get the too old for that money thing, he's at his peak and will probably be for quite a few more years. Who cares about resale value, are you feeder club now?
United's outlay would be around 70-80 Million over a five year contract on Sneijder.
You guys are kidding yourself if you think Inter will sell him for 25m. He signed a new contract last summer which puts Inter in a position to command top dollar for him which is why I dont see us signing him.
We'll sign someone who is on the cusp of realizing his potential imo.
We'll sign someone who is on the cusp of realizing his potential imo.
I think Pogba has it in him to make appearances next season. Maybe not establish himself as a squad player but I think he will be considered as an option, brought along on Euro aways, Carling Cup apps, FA Cup apps against weaker opposition, maybe up to 5-10 league appearances if all goes well. I think Tunnicliffe could do with a loan to a Championship club next season to help with his development and out of him, Pogba and Morrison would think he would be least ready to make the jump in the next few seasons.
And I know Fergie wouldn't have expected Scholes to be a regular at 38, in an ideal world he would like these kids to be breaking through as Scholes was in his final years if you catch my drift.
You can't replace Scholes with Sneijder, because they play in different positions
This is an important thing, Sneijder can't play as a central midfielder in a 442, he could maybe, only in some game at home.
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Sorry but I can definitely see this happen if we get either the CL or the PL...
40m ? We spent 60m on OH/Ando/Nani before when is was our transition period and if SAF see's that he needs to do that again, the gaffer will definitely do it if the players he wants are available for the right price.
Its the same logic like Modric, he can't play blah blah in 4-4-2, you are definitely overrating 4-4-2.
If Gibbo can do it for us, why can't a world class MF who has played for Ajax, RM, and Inter not do a job for us ?
4-4-2 is about position, passing, stamina and vision, Sneijder has all the qualities and he even puts in a good defensive shift when needed...
Who knows ? He might even be more effective playing in 4-4-2 than 4-3-3 as he will get more of the ball.
We will definitely see more of him if we do get him, but I am willing to bet it all that he can definitely do a great job for us.
He's not old by any means, but I can't see us spending £30m + on a player who reached his peak IMO.
We did that on Berbatov ?
berbs is supposedly the 'last of his kind'
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