Wesley Sneijder

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Am I the only one that thinks he's not exactly what we need? He's obviously a brilliant player and would cure a lot of our problems but surely he would be out of position in a 4-4-2? I'd much rather get someone who sits a little deeper and is more accomplished defensively, unless Fergie believes he can be moulded to play there.
 
Am I the only one that thinks he's not exactly what we need? He's obviously a brilliant player and would cure a lot of our problems but surely he would be out of position in a 4-4-2? I'd much rather get someone who sits a little deeper and is more accomplished defensively, unless Fergie believes he can be moulded to play there.

I think our problem is that we have plenty of midfielders that sit a little deeper, think we are crying out for one that can be creative further up the field.
 
Don't want him anywhere near the team. Acted like an absolute dickhead throughout the WC and this season for Inter. Has an air of entitlement to him that I think will do nothing good for the United dressing room.

Undoubtedly a talented player, but not who I would pick to come to United. For 25 million I suppose you would have to take him, seeing as that is peanuts in terms of transfer fees these days, but Christ I dislike him.
 
They will be on a substantial part of their income. You can't get away with blatant tax avoidance.

Of course you can if you have the options available that they do. They have their payments made to them in all manner of ways. I can guarantee you that Rooney, for example, won't get a payslip every week with £160,000 on it (or whatever the figure is).
 
Am I the only one that thinks he's not exactly what we need? He's obviously a brilliant player and would cure a lot of our problems but surely he would be out of position in a 4-4-2? I'd much rather get someone who sits a little deeper and is more accomplished defensively, unless Fergie believes he can be moulded to play there.

What do you mean moulded to play there? This was his position for many years at Ajax and played there for the national team. It was only at Real Madrid that he was moved wide and then put at the head of Inter's diamond. It may not be his best position but he's played as a genuine central midfielder before
 
I think our problem is that we have plenty of midfielders that sit a little deeper, think we are crying out for one that can be creative further up the field.

When I say a little deeper all I really mean is a midfielder which can provide creativity without having to have all his defensive work done for him. As far as I'm aware Sneijder has always had someone to do that for him and whilst he would obviously be a brilliant option and give us something a bit different he wouldn't really suit a 2 man midfield. Modric, Sahin, Banega are all examples of the sorts of players I'm talking about, all very creative but can hold their own in a 2 man midfield.

Fergies never bought specialised attacking midfielders, don't see why he would start now.
 
What do you mean moulded to play there? This was his position for many years at Ajax and played there for the national team. It was only at Real Madrid that he was moved wide and then put at the head of Inter's diamond. It may not be his best position but he's played as a genuine central midfielder before

He played in a 2 man midfield for Ajax?!? Well ignore me then :lol:
 
He is a very good player, I just don't like him. It is time to blood the team with our youth. Other than a keeper, I don't want us to buy anybody. They will end up being our white elephant. We already have one big white elephant.
 
he'll turn 27 in june.

won't happen. age profile not right.

He is perfect. Remember SAF once told players peak between the ages of 26/27 - 31. So he is at his peak right now. He has proven himself at the biggest stages of football. He will fit in perfectly.
 
He is perfect. Remember SAF once told players peak between the ages of 26/27 - 31. So he is at his peak right now. He has proven himself at the biggest stages of football. He will fit in perfectly.

Please describe to me how the team will shape up? How is his defensive aptitude? I have not watched him a lot, just youtube stuff mostly, against Spurs, world cup and I don't see how some of you are easily envisioning the perfect fit.
 
I'm not sure those numbers stack up, please explain.

You don't think we'd have to offer Sneijder in the region of £250,000 per week in order to match his net salary at Inter? He was widely reported to have been handed an annual net salary of 5.5m euros by Inter (c. 11m euros gross or 220,000 euros per week) when he agreed a new contract back in October of last year. Some press outlets even suggested his new annual gross salary was close to 310,000 euros per week (c. £270,000).

If we take the 5.5m euros net salary (220,000 euros gross per week) and apply the UK's top rate of income tax (50%) and national insurance (13.5%) then we'd have to offer him a gross salary of nearly £12m pa or £240,000 per week in order to match his annual take home pay of 5.5m euros at Inter.

If you go back to mid-2007, when the pound was worth close to 1.50 euros and the UK's top rate of income tax was 40%, United would ''only'' have been required to offer Sneijder a gross salary of £7m pa or £140,000 per week in order to match his current net salary of 5.5 million euros. We could have afforded that! £5m less per year. That's £20m less over a four year contract.

Whatever the exact amount is that Sneijder's earning, it isn't hard to imagine that he's now one of the top 10 (probably top 5) best paid players in the world. He plays for a club with a history of paying their star players huge salaries and he agreed his latest contract at the age of 26, with his best years ahead of him, when he was just coming off a season when many, including the owner of the club he plays for, thought he deserved the world player of the year award.
 
Please describe to me how the team will shape up? How is his defensive aptitude? I have not watched him a lot, just youtube stuff mostly, against Spurs, world cup and I don't see how some of you are easily envisioning the perfect fit.

How is Scholes defensive aptitude? Are you happy with that?
 
How is Scholes defensive aptitude? Are you happy with that?

See, there is this thing about family, :cool: you accept them. Now when the stranger comes in, the onus is on him to be better.
I wanted to really know what you thought about the questions I asked. I was not being jerk.
 
How exactly is it weakening the squad? Brown is fit, rarely plays, Hargreaves hasn't played for 2 and a bit years, Scholes is probably retiring... How exactly are we losing 3-4 players for one signing? We then have a keeper coming in that will be on less then VDS... The side isn't weakening for the sake of facilitating one player, its evolving to encompass new players.

Brown: has a replacement.
Hargreaves: doesn't have a replacement, but it wouldn't be out of the norm to bring a young player up given that anything would be an improvement over his contribution for 2 and a bit years.
Scholes: Needs to be replaced if he is indeed retiring
VDS: Replacement on the cards
PIG: already replaced

There's 300k in players take 50-75k away for a replacement keeper, and you have nearly 75-85% of your proposed wages but even then I'm sure there are ways around the taxing issue. Whats stop Mr. Sneijder for example to say he lives in Spain, and lives in a club provided house when playing for United? F1 drivers "live" in Switzerland yet work for British owned companies and are not required to pay the full english tax percentage, only in their country of choice.

In regards to player matching clause, whats stopping United from paying sponsors to pay the players? I believe this is common practice in salary capped competitions. This isn't just about United of course but any club....

Fergie will buy whoever he likes regardless of what you believe. If he says this player will be key to success then they'll buy that player based on the belief that by not doing so it will be detrimental to potential future success. He won't have a blank check, but hands will not be tied for potential signings either.

This is just absurd Marchi.

Switzerland? So what would he do exactly? Train on his own over there and then use up his 90 day non resident entitlement when he needed to pop over to England to play a football match. Great plan. I can't see what could possibly go wrong.
 
See, there is this thing about family, :cool: you accept them. Now when the stranger comes in, the onus is on him to be better.
I wanted to really know what you thought about the questions I asked. I was not being jerk.

He is a playmaker. Scholes is a playmaker. Defense is not their first duty. Sneidjer is not too bad defensively. He tracks back kinda and helps out.
 
He may take a pay cut if he wants to play in England. Not huge but I couldn't see him being unhappy with being on a pay with what Rooney earns, which I'm positive isn't the £250,000 headline figure bandied around in the media.
 
They certainly do on around two thirds of their salary. I'm well aware of the image rights payments which allows them to pay the lower Corporation tax rate on some of their earnings but HMRC are currently attempting to close that loophole.

They really don't and image rights aren't the only way of doing it.
 
He is a very good player, I just don't like him. It is time to blood the team with our youth. Other than a keeper, I don't want us to buy anybody. They will end up being our white elephant. We already have one big white elephant.

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All this talk of him being too old is ridiculous, the guys just coming up 27, hes hardly past it. He one of the best players in the world, in his prime or just entering it, barring injury, we should able to get at least 5 years out of him at the very top.

For £25m, yes please....I would expect to pay more though.
 
Please describe to me how the team will shape up? How is his defensive aptitude? I have not watched him a lot, just youtube stuff mostly, against Spurs, world cup and I don't see how some of you are easily envisioning the perfect fit.

Well - a midfield of Carrick and Fletcher behind Van der Vaart with Nani, Valencia and Rooney up front...

doesn't sound too bad
 
All this talk of him being too old is ridiculous, the guys just coming up 27, hes hardly past it. He one of the best players in the world, in his prime or just entering it, barring injury, we should able to get at least 5 years out of him at the very top.

For £25m, yes please....I would expect to pay more though.

You are of course right - I wouldn't be surprised if people said the same thing about van der Vaart last summer
 
Why does this thread have so many pages? There's absolutely no chance of him joining United, not now, not ever.
 
Why does this thread have so many pages? There's absolutely no chance of him joining United, not now, not ever.

I have to sadly agree. People here are already drawing up teamsheets for next season with his name on it.
 
Don't be dense he is a perfectly viable target at a reasonable price. I mean its not exactly fairytale stuff is it?

We're never going to spend £25million on a single player this summer. Perhaps £20million at a stretch for a goalkeeper, but for anyone else there no chance IMO.
 
Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion?

Well we can assume that we'll be around £20million poorer once we've bought a new keeper, which is our most impending target. Following that do you really see us spending another £20million+ on a single player, more so considering the debt we're in?
 
Well we can assume that we'll be around £20million poorer once we've bought a new keeper, which is our most impending target. Following that do you really see us spending another £20million+ on a single player, more so considering the debt we're in?

We'd be willing to spend £20m on a 20 year old goalkeeper but not £25m on a european cup winning playmaker? It'd be a bargain. He'd probably be way more expensive than that for that reason.
 
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