Wesley Sneijder

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All the midfield needs is balance. It's all about the shape of the team but that comes with experience. Sir Alex might look at what we have and feel if we need anyone, we might find that person within the club as opposed to buying Sneijder who then has to play because we're paid 25+ for him and he's on XXX wages.

When you look it, we were hit by a sucker punch against city. Against WBA they competed after our great start but they're no mugs, they're the home team but we win and yesterday apart from long shots it was much of nothing. Would Modric have made much of a difference? Spurs passed it well for large periods.

Usually I'm pro this type of signing but I'm not sure we're desperate for it. You see Tunnicliffe on loan until Jan, another kid sure but the type of player he is more suitable to our needs. We've options. We might lose something in the short term, we might but I think we gain down the line
 
MPTutd said:
Still think a defensive midfielder (M'Vila) is needed more than another attacking midfielder.
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I'm beginning to think that once Vidic is back, thats a role Jones could do very well.
 
devilish said:
Yesterday's last 40 minutes were breathtaking. Anderson-Cleverley showed their stuff and did very well. On the other hand we're talking about Spurs, at home and without their finest midfielder in the team. One should really see things into the right concept.
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Most teams we are going to play this season are going to be worse in midfield than Tottenham to be fair.
 
Although we were good last night, I felt we were still missing a little bit of something special in the middle.

If he signs, great, if not then I feel we have a bit of work to do to turn the middle into a full on force.
 
gambit28 said:
I'm beginning to think that once Vidic is back, thats a role Jones could do very well.
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Jones is a central defender and that's where he should be used most of the time. I can see him filling in a midfield role from time to time though as he certainly has the attributes to do well in there.
 
The famous United white sheet is following Wesley around...


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Striker10 said:
We might lose something in the short term, we might but I think we gain down the line
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I think this is quite an important point that is lost on a lot of people nowadays.

There is this expectation to continually win trophies, which is totally understandable. Every supporter of every club in the World should 'expect' their club to do everything possible to bring in success and maintain it accordingly. However, sometimes you have to accept, even plan for, a period of lesser success in order to make a better team later down the line. This is probably SAF's greatest skill and one that he has exploited time and time again.

Sneijder is a player that, if signed, will be a stop-gap. He'll have been bought in an attempt to maintain our current success level whilst the next team is developed, tweaked and honed into a side ready to pick up where the last one left off. The question really is whether SAF considers the financial outlay to be worth the sustained success or whether he'll get greater satisfaction from watching, perhaps, City take the top spot for a year or two and then another of his sides surpassing them again, despite the billions spent.

It would be incredibly painful to watch City win the league and become the "better" team, but it would make overtaking them very, very sweet!
 
acrebo said:
I think this is quite an important point that is lost on a lot of people nowadays.

There is this expectation to continually win trophies, which is totally understandable. Every supporter of every club in the World should 'expect' their club to do everything possible to bring in success and maintain it accordingly. However, sometimes you have to accept, even plan for, a period of lesser success in order to make a better team later down the line. This is probably SAF's greatest skill and one that he has exploited time and time again.

Sneijder is a player that, if signed, will be a stop-gap. He'll have been bought in an attempt to maintain our current success level whilst the next team is developed, tweaked and honed into a side ready to pick up where the last one left off. The question really is whether SAF considers the financial outlay to be worth the sustained success or whether he'll get greater satisfaction from watching, perhaps, City take the top spot for a year or two and then another of his sides surpassing them again, despite the billions spent.

It would be incredibly painful to watch City win the league and become the "better" team, but it would make overtaking them very, very sweet!
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So our transfer policy should be based around what gives Ferguson satisfaction? feck that. If we were to let City get ahead now as part of some masterplan to hone a new team and make Ferguson personally happy, there is a reasonable chance we won't be able to overtake Manchester City, they're not just going to lie down and let us, and more importantly there's a good chance Ferguson would have retired before he could do it. Just because we did it once with Chelsea (after a extremely close title race) doesn't mean we can continue to do it indefinitely.
 
I think the point is that sometimes when a lot of new faces come into the team together they might take a few seasons to gel as a unit (not always though).

If we start bringing in big name players then when do they get game time with each other?

It's a catch 22 situation and a tricky thing to balance.

Fortunately we have the best manager in the world for dealing with such situations.
 
acrebo said:
I think this is quite an important point that is lost on a lot of people nowadays.

There is this expectation to continually win trophies, which is totally understandable. Every supporter of every club in the World should 'expect' their club to do everything possible to bring in success and maintain it accordingly. However, sometimes you have to accept, even plan for, a period of lesser success in order to make a better team later down the line. This is probably SAF's greatest skill and one that he has exploited time and time again.

Sneijder is a player that, if signed, will be a stop-gap. He'll have been bought in an attempt to maintain our current success level whilst the next team is developed, tweaked and honed into a side ready to pick up where the last one left off. The question really is whether SAF considers the financial outlay to be worth the sustained success or whether he'll get greater satisfaction from watching, perhaps, City take the top spot for a year or two and then another of his sides surpassing them again, despite the billions spent.

It would be incredibly painful to watch City win the league and become the "better" team, but it would make overtaking them very, very sweet!
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Rawkish post. Something like letting the opponents win in pre-season, so that the true potential of the side is not disclosed.
 
BTW, he hasn't trained since he missed the friendly v. Olympiakos - no word from any Inter official as to where he might be either.
 
He's eloped with Nasri. Wes has a Constant Craving for Samir.
 
How many performances from Cleverley and Anderson do we need before it's not being knee jerk? Three performances now, and three wins, two against strong top 6 sides.
 
Don't think he'd want to come here to be kept on the bench by a bunch of kids.

But we could use him.
 
acrebo said:
I think this is quite an important point that is lost on a lot of people nowadays.

There is this expectation to continually win trophies, which is totally understandable. Every supporter of every club in the World should 'expect' their club to do everything possible to bring in success and maintain it accordingly. However, sometimes you have to accept, even plan for, a period of lesser success in order to make a better team later down the line. This is probably SAF's greatest skill and one that he has exploited time and time again.

Sneijder is a player that, if signed, will be a stop-gap. He'll have been bought in an attempt to maintain our current success level whilst the next team is developed, tweaked and honed into a side ready to pick up where the last one left off. The question really is whether SAF considers the financial outlay to be worth the sustained success or whether he'll get greater satisfaction from watching, perhaps, City take the top spot for a year or two and then another of his sides surpassing them again, despite the billions spent.

It would be incredibly painful to watch City win the league and become the "better" team, but it would make overtaking them very, very sweet!
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He's 27, not 37. He might have 6 or 7 years at the top if he looks after himself, especially with advances in players general fitness over the last generation.

The point is that while he may be expensive the sums of money we're talking about should be well within United's reach - not to mention the sums he may well generate in terms of shirt sales and other merchandising.

Currently while United generate a lot of money, they need to remain competative and continue to win, or there is potential for the whole financial house of cards to come tumbling down. They therefore need to walk the line between managing wages and spending and remaining competative.

Unfortunately City have changed the game - and there can be no guarantee that even if we "let them have a couple of years" that United or any other club could recover that ground, or the market share of revenue which may be lost to a club to a club like city with the money and ambition to become one of the biggest names in world football.

You talk as if its a foregone conclusion that Fergie can build a side " to surpass them again" when it obviously isn't, even more so when you consider that he's now in his 70's.

United need a sustainable system of both youth and investment in top players to remain at the top, as it has been in the past. Especially if and when Fergie steps down - as I've yet to se any other manager who can continually reinvent teams generation after generation.
 
RedRover said:
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United need a sustainable system of both youth and investment in top players to remain at the top, as it has been in the past. Especially if and when Fergie steps down - as I've yet to se any other manager who can continually reinvent teams generation after generation.
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united have - the club spent 60m on 3 players that are contributing to the season so far. to buy just to have like city or chelsea is throwing money away and will cause a team that's unified to possibly fracture. i think you'd get 4 yrs of wes at his best. that's not stop gap to me. but what fergie is doing is making sure that he leaves the club with the foundation intact when he does leave. a keeper - 3 cb's two fb's 2 mdfs 3 wingers and 3 strikers that could be at the club for years to come. so united have addressed your concerns already haven't they?
 
mu77 said:
united have - the club spent 60m on 3 players that are contributing to the season so far. to buy just to have like city or chelsea is throwing money away and will cause a team that's unified to possibly fracture. i think you'd get 4 yrs of wes at his best. that's not stop gap to me. but what fergie is doing is making sure that he leaves the club with the foundation intact when he does leave. a keeper - 3 cb's two fb's 2 mdfs 3 wingers and 3 strikers that could be at the club for years to come. so united have addressed your concerns already haven't they?
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Buying a world class player doesn't mean we are copying another clubs philosophy, which to be honest isn't a bad one.

Simply it out for you though. We need an extra creative edge through the middle that we haven't brought this summer. This is where Sneijder comes in not only that he offers us experience and world class gile that might be important in Europe but also through the mid season of the prem.
 
mu77 said:
united have - the club spent 60m on 3 players that are contributing to the season so far. to buy just to have like city or chelsea is throwing money away and will cause a team that's unified to possibly fracture. i think you'd get 4 yrs of wes at his best. that's not stop gap to me. but what fergie is doing is making sure that he leaves the club with the foundation intact when he does leave. a keeper - 3 cb's two fb's 2 mdfs 3 wingers and 3 strikers that could be at the club for years to come. so united have addressed your concerns already haven't they?
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They have addressed certain areas.

In my view the only area which needs to be strengthened now is midfield. I dont see how buying a real player of quality is "having just to have".

We fared poorly in midfield last year and while we've had a better start we'll face much more difficult challenges. On that basis I personally think we need more proven quality in midfield to complement what we have as a couple of decent games doesnt banish my concerns, especially as at times ther have been issues.

For the record I dont see that City or Chelsea have "bought for buying's sake" this year, simply bought quality players who will probably improve their first team and definately improve their matchday squad for what is a long season.

I agree - Fergie is building for the future as he generally does. I was simply suggesting that (as the poster I commented on appeared to think) we don't have some devine right to continue to stay at the top whether we spend or not.

My opinion is that in modern football its a balance between buying in the best when you need to and developing your own alongside.
 
Mainoldo said:
Buying a world class player doesn't mean we are copying another clubs philosophy, which to be honest isn't a bad one.

Simply it out for you though. We need an extra creative edge through the middle that we haven't brought this summer. This is where Sneijder comes in not only that he offers us experience and world class gile that might be important in Europe but also through the mid season of the prem.
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I agree.

Any fan who doesnt want to see quality players come into his club is surely odd.
 
Inter look for Man Utd-Wesley Sneijder deal to be done this week - report

Manchester United will this week make a fresh attempt to sign Wesley Sneijder - and Inter Milan reportedly want a deal done before the weekend.

Reports last week suggested Sneijder's £35million move to Old Trafford could be back on after he lowered his wage demands, with his £250,000-a-week salary at Inter widely seen as the main reason for a move breaking down earlier this month.

On Sunday it was reported that United's sponsors, Nike, were ready to step in and try to help the Premier League champions work out a deal for the 27-year-old, who is also sponsored by the sportswear giants.

And after Sneijder was left out of the Inter squad for Sunday night's friendly against Olympiakos, with the club citing personal reasons, the Manchester Evening News reports that the Italians could now offload the Netherlands international before the weekend.

Inter coach Gian Piero Gasperini, who is preparing his squad in Switzerland ahead of the opening match of the new Serie A campaign at home to Lecce on Sunday, is said to want Sneijder's future resolved before the new league season gets underway.

And after reports at the weekend suggested the Dutchman had rejected a move to rivals Man City as he is holding out for a move to United, it appears that the Red Devils could now sign the former Real Madrid playmaker providing personal terms can be agreed.

Inter remain keen on signing City striker Carlos Tevez and it is thought the club could still look to fund a move for the Argentine through the sale of Sneijder.
 
Every time the papers don't have anything to report, that Nike story comes up.
 
Why do we need Nike to help us pay wages when we've just gotten ourselves 40m for our training kit?
 
wr8_utd said:
Why do we need Nike to help us pay wages when we've just gotten ourselves 40m for our training kit?
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I suppose it's presumably that Nike wants Sneijder at United for marketing/branding purposes and we don't want him for what he and/or Inter are asking. If they make up the difference in either pay packet or transfer fee, everyone would 'win'.

At this point I'd be more apprehensive than excited if we worked out a deal.
 
Mainoldo said:
Buying a world class player doesn't mean we are copying another clubs philosophy, which to be honest isn't a bad one.

Simply it out for you though. We need an extra creative edge through the middle that we haven't brought this summer. This is where Sneijder comes in not only that he offers us experience and world class gile that might be important in Europe but also through the mid season of the prem.
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If you're referring to Citeh and Chelsea's philosophy of BUY! BUY! BUY! with little to no concern of the financial repercussions, then I'm going to have to disagree with that bit.

Those two clubs in particular represent almost everything I despise about modern football and money. United simply cannot compete financially with billionaire owners, whose solution time and again is to throw more money at their problems by purchasing players, often surplus, for over their value, and then pay them ridiculous wages. Teams under Fergie have always been built much the same way as this current squad. Yes we are bringing in the youth, but there is a core group of great experience for them to learn and draw inspiration from. Compare that to Arsenal, where it's just a revolving door of youth in, experience out. We've kept those players that are the heart and soul of this current squad, and peppered in some young talent who we let marinade at some lesser clubs for the past couple of seasons in preparation for their chance to be a regular here.

I don't for a second feel it necessary to bring in someone like Sneijder at this time. I think that it's time to give the kids a chance to see what they can do. We've looked far more potent in the midfield with the new look Anderson, who appears to be living up to his potential now that there is no ones shadow that he has to stand in, alongside Cleverly, who frankly looks to be blooming into an outstanding player in his own right.

You can sense a chemistry in the making with this squad. Why go and possibly mess that up just so we can say that we too can buy players that we don't really need in order to win.
 
'Yolanthe Cabau, wife of Wesley Sneijder, continues to be vague on the future of her husband. For many fans, both of Inter & of Manchester United who ask if the number 10 of Inter Milan will play again, writing from her Twitter profile responds to know nothing about it: "He is training now, I'm sorry no to answer any questions (about his future) because I simply do not have the answers."'


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Wonder if their "personal issues" are resolved.

Honestly Sneijder (and family etc) could have just ended this story long ago by just saying that he's going to stay with Inter.
 
SteveJ said:
'Yolanthe Cabau, wife of Wesley Sneijder, continues to be vague on the future of her husband. For many fans, both of Inter & of Manchester United who ask if the number 10 of Inter Milan will play again, writing from her Twitter profile responds to know nothing about it: "He is training now, I'm sorry no to answer any questions (about his future) because I simply do not have the answers."'


Source: fcinter1908
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Denial....... It's a done deal! :smirk:
 
Inter are training right now and I think Sneijder is back (that's what his wife claims as well)

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wr8_utd said:
Wonder if their "personal issues" are resolved.

Honestly Sneijder (and family etc) could have just ended this story long ago by just saying that he's going to stay with Inter.
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I'm guessing that we'll know one way or the other by the 28th (Inter's first game of the season, played at home). Either Wes will 'take the mic' (as promised) & announce he's staying, or he'll be with United before then.
 
SteveJ said:
I'm guessing that we'll know one way or the other by the 28th (Inter's first game of the season, played at home). Either Wes will 'take the mic' (as promised) & announce he's staying, or he'll be with United before then.
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I think he'll end up moving by the transfer deadline day really! The CL squads are submitted early next week right?
 
Him training again doesnt mean anything though. Nasri was training with Arsenal as well.
Wonder what those personal issues where though.
I don't know...if he stayed I think Yolanthe would have said so.
 
SteveJ said:
I'm guessing that we'll know one way or the other by the 28th (Inter's first game of the season, played at home). Either Wes will 'take the mic' (as promised) & announce he's staying, or he'll be with United before then.
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There might be a strike in Italy; there's a possibility the first round of games will be postponed as the players' union and the league failed to negotiate a new collective agreement, as it happened in Spain as well.

wr8_utd said:
I think he'll end up moving by the transfer deadline day really! The CL squads are submitted early next week right?
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They must be submitted until 1 September 2011, 24.00 CET.
 
Siorac said:
There might be a strike in Italy; there's a possibility the first round of games will be postponed as the players' union and the league failed to negotiate a new collective agreement, as it happened in Spain as well.
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I didn't know that. Cheers. :)
 
Godfather said:
Him training again doesnt mean anything though. Nasri was training with Arsenal as well.
Wonder what those personal issues where though.
I don't know...if he stayed I think Yolanthe would have said so.
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Wasn't there something regarding a dispute between him and his wife?
 
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