You can't compare his situation to Rooney's. He earnt his wages by giving us his best years and being consistently one of our top players. What gives Sneijder the right to come here and demand parity? One good season for Inter and Real Madrids name on his CV? feck off.
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He is a world class player and they expect big wages. You expect him to sign a contract worth 50k a week?
The fact that he's tasted more success than Rooney and wages are usually measured by success (with the exception of City.)
I'd love to know how often you guys actually watch Sneijder. The rest of the world know he's a good player but amongs United supporters he's World Class. I'd expect the likes of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc to be happy with Rooneys wages. Sneijder isn't even in their league. Inter were stupid to pay him so much and it would be daft if we had to match/better their stupitdity to get him to play for us.
Who else do you consider world class?
Nobody cares about Seria A. It pains me to say it, being half Italian and watching it a lot as a kid, but it's the truth. Or is it a case of 'well done Wesley, you won a cup for Inter so you can add £50k to what we'll give you as a reward'.
We increase wages based on success for us, nobody else. This has always been the case.
What makes you able to talk for the rest of the world saying they only think he's good and not world class? The last time I checked he was being lauded as world class by pundits, our own squad, our own coaches/ex coaches any football fans around the world. I suppose players who carry their teams and carry their international team to the latter stages of the World Cup on the biggest stage of all and win awards for being one of the best players in the world tournament aren't world class at all.
Hmm, well considering it's Serie A, La Liga, the World Cup etc, I'd say a lot of people care. It's not a cup for Inter at all, maybe you need to watch Sneijder more if that's what you think. Do you need a list of his trophies and achievements? They overshadow Rooney's.
Increasing wages based on success for us and nobody else would be an unbelievably retarded thing to do. Increasing wages once you are here yes, but offering someone less than the norm for their calibre to sign for us because they haven't played for us is a stupid stupid thing to do and will result in signing less players because it's silly logic and people actually ask why we don't have the pull that other clubs have.
When you go for a new job, you negotiate your wage based on experience. You don't get feck all because you haven't done well for the new company, your wage depends on your experience and success. It's a principle, and it applies to all jobs, football included. If you are amongst the best, you will be paid higher than others. You have nothing to prove before signing.
Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. Everyone else is obviously shite
That's exactly what I thought. That's why I want to hear his opinion on which players he considers world class. Is it just those three?
This pocco guy pretty smart. y'all should listen.
How has he tasted more success than Rooney also? 4 titles(all in the more prestigious English) vs 3 titles, 2 league cups vs 2 coppa, 1 cl vs 1 cl, 2 more cl finals vs 0, 0 international final vs 1, then rooney has way more other jokey little cups like the world club cup thing and charity shield shit.
How has he tasted more success than Rooney also? 4 titles(all in the more prestigious English) vs 3 titles, 2 league cups vs 2 coppa, 1 cl vs 1 cl, 2 more cl finals vs 0, 0 international final vs 1, then rooney has way more other jokey little cups like the world club cup thing and charity shield shit.
Rest assured if we sign him, he'll be lauded as world class by every United fan in the world
He's a world class player and of the best in his position so it's pretty obvious we'll have to pay up if he want him.
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Yep. Clearly not in their league
He must have been out of this world before he played for Inter. Because since I've seen him playing at Inter I've not seen him play as well as Messi & co. They're something else, if you can't recognise this then I pity you.
No one said he is better than Messi and Xavi.
He's a world class player and of the best in his position so it's pretty obvious we'll have to pay up if he want him.
And, in my opinion, we'd be stupid to do so. Luckily enough I don't think we have any intention of doing so.
Well since he's been at Inter no one in the world has been as good as Messi and Xavi. So if you're not better than Messi and Xavi you're not that good?
30-35 million can't get you a Messi or Xavi but you can pay that for Andy Carroll, so i'll gladly just make do with Wesley Sneijder if we do get him. Heck, Mata apparently just went for 30
According to pocco, the only people worth buying that can take us to the level of Barcelona are Messi, Xavi and Iniesta.
Every team in the world should just pack up and take a 5 year hiatus til this whole Barcelona thing passes by and there is a reason to play Football again.
Every team in the world should just pack up and take a 5 year hiatus til this whole Barcelona thing passes by and there is a reason to play Football again.
It's crazy how absurd he lives off his 2010 hype though, really is. He's never been nominated for either world player award before that, and surely anyone considered world class at 27 should have more than one nomination in his career right? Even Scholes with zero hype due to having no publicist has been nominated numerous times, despite getting very few votes after that.
Carry? fecking carry!? You didn't watch Inter that year then. That team was about so much more than Sneijder. Many widely regarded both Lucio and the striker, whose name I can't remember, as Inters star men that year. I thought Cambiasso and a few others were brilliant also. Sneijder didn't carry them, that's another myth created on here since we've been linked with him.
Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. Everyone else is obviously shite
I'm not going into the World Class debate. But maybe I should have just said better players such as Messi etc would probably be happy with that wage.
Because he has had a topsy curvy club career before moving to Inter? If anything, he has almost always been the best player for Holland in 2010 and after. If he comes to United, settles down and dominate the league, i'm sure he'll be in a for a few WPOTY nominations. Don't worry about that if this silly issue is bugging you
There is no world class debate, it's Alonso, a fit Essien(or Busquets), Cesc, Xavi, Iniesta and Ozil, they are the 6 world class midfielders right now. And none of them are on close to 250k or whatever, so why should Sneijder be?
Where is it said that he's demanding 250k? The last time I saw it was 155k that he earns right now that he was demanding, plus media articles saying he's actually willing to take a pay cut. That's not what I said, but it's true! I never mentioned Barca. Get over your obsession with them and enjoy supporting your team. We've got a great set of youngsters coming through and we'll be no.1 again one day. Wesley Sneijder eh? Who'd have thought he's the difference between us and Barca. I bet Real feel stupid getting rid of him now. Somebody get Fergie in the phone quick!Why won't this thread just fecking die...
At least we are not taking it way off topic. We are still talking about Sneidjer.
Sneijder's wage demands scupper United transfer - Transfers, Football - The Independent 200k
Sneijder 200k
Manchester United remain confident of singing Wesley Sneijder from Inter Milan despite his wage demands - Transfer News - MirrorFootball.co.uk 250k
Wesley Sneijder admits interest in a move to Manchester United | Football | The Guardian 250k
Now just like you, I don't know his actual wages, but it's quite common from all sources he wants 200k+
Regarding the second bit. I understand that a player that genuinely is world class and has achieved a lot will require a higher wage. But I don't agree that it should be anywhere near the level that Rooney is on. Not for Sneijder. As you said in another post, it could be bollocks. But most reports have him as demanding that sort of wage so you must have plucked that £155k from your arse. Anyway, I don't care because it's all based on the premise that Sneijder is this great player that will take us to a new level. I've seen enough to form my own opinion and I don't agree. No doubt he's very good at passing and a few other things. But I don't think his all round game would fit in here for a few reasons.
Think you forget that he won the Treble with an unfancied Inter Milan (including beating Barcelona in the Semi-Finals) and got to ther Final of the World Cup with Holland.
That's a lot more than Rooney's achieved.
Obsession with Barca?
The League's my bread and butter, the Champions League is only ever a bonus in my eyes. We have the team to win the League, I think we'll do it at a canter this year while blooding in some of the new lads, I also think that it never hurts to look to improve yourselves in a weak area.
It's become a bit of a stigma now, this Barca side, they're being raised to an unbeatable level which isn't true. Every team can be beaten on a single day and improving our midfield will bring us closer to being good enough to do that. We have a world class defense and a world class attack, our midfield isn't world class.
If Sneijder signed, we'd be much better in every area of the field this season, bar our Goalkeeper. That to me is progress and I hope we face them again this season, not because I'm obsessed with them, but because I'm obsessed with seeing United be the best team in the world. Barcelona is currently well and truly in the fecking way.
Yep pocco has been talking out of his arse in this thread.
Bizarre poster.
These same sources thought Rooney's on 220-250k a week before bringing it down to 160k.
They just throw around random figures. For all we know the problem is not with wages at all.
Erm Rooney has also been in a team that beat Barca in the semis's. as well as 3 champions league finals and a shit load of prem titles.
TBH the Barca team that Sneijder (and Inter beat) was far superior to the one we beat in 2008.
Messi was just returning from injury as well in our match.
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