Tony Blair i think..... he wasnt mine btw... we had the Great Bertie Ahern!
Wesley Sneijder
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Tony Blair i think..... he wasnt mine btw... we had the Great Bertie Ahern!
And we're completely doomed without it are we?
So now talent at our club won't grow as well because our CM is crap?
I get that our CM position isn't as good as it used to be but this is ridiculous.
This actually seems a more logical answer.
No but considering the team we have its really a shame that we're not tackling the only weak spot (which is actually as big as London bridge) we have.
Scholes was world class last season?
He had a good season for a player of his age but he was far from world class and has been for a few years, as much as I love the bloke.
Im only saying that we're expecting things from Cleverley which are much harder to the ones expected by young Paul Scholes. During Scholes times we had Keane in his prime to tutor him. Cleverley will have Carrick, Fletcher and Gibson. I think that the difference is striking here.
Devilish is being a retard again I see. Looks to me like he only lives for moments like these.
No he was not. In fact I've been saying that we need a quality CM for the past 2 years.
As big as the London bridge. For Christ's sake
Im glad that you only picked the words within the brackets and avoided the entire argument.
Can't agree with your line of thought here today - United have brought through many players to a high level, both in CM and other areas, before, during and after Keane's time at the club. You're placing far too much emphasis on one individual while woefully overlooking the efforts of many others.
During which time we've been really unsuccessful, have we?
So, my deduction was right. Our youngsters progress will be stunted because our midfield is crap. Isn't Scholes on our coaching staff?
I've been watching United for quite some time and we always had at least 1 world class CM (there were times we had two like in the treble winning team). We won't be having that this season which worries me, considering how instrumental Keane was in the development of Scholes and co.
If you insist on that line of argument, you've conveniently forgotten that Ryan Giggs is still at the club, as is Paul Scholes incidentally, along with SAF and his staff.
But yeah, poor Tom Cleverley. He's got no one to help his game, has he?
There's a big difference between being a manager/coach and being a player. If that wasn't the case then Robson would have been the next SAF and Mourinho would be coaching Sheffield Wednesday. Not to forget that certain lessons need to be thought on the pitch.
So what Paul Scholes might tell Cleverley this season has entirely changed from what he'd have said last season has it? Has he started imparting advice in Chinese or something?
Edit: if your above quoted line of argument were to be true, why do you think SAF is so keen to sign the likes of Scholes, Neville and Solskjaer up as coaches post-retirement?
I doubt that Ryan will be used as first teamer anymore altough considering the quality we have in CM, I won't be surprised if that does happen. What I am saying is that we're expecting things from Cleverley which are tougher that what we expected out of Scholes. We won't have any world class midfielder to cover the kids arse and show them the way anymore. That is in my opinion a big concern
GdS saying we're out, Sky Italia saying he's resigned to staying at Inter.
As I said in that post many players fail as coaches/managers. If that wasn't the case then Robson would be a top manager while Mourinho would be shite.
In my opinion bringing in a quality CM was top priority second only in bringing in a keeper.
So not only is this the first season we haven't had a world class midfielder but it's also the same midfield as last season bar one player who wasn't world class anymore anyway?
Scholes may not have been world class anymore but he was still the best of the bunch. Anyway, the situation is far from perfect and look set to deteriorate during next season with Scholes retiring and Giggs growing a year older. Those two players were our main beacons (in terms of creativity) in our CM.
These things happen though - you can't always complement a Cleverley with a Keane - they might not coincide as perfectly as that. Instead you have to trust that the experienced heads, like Vidic, Ferdinand, Carrick, Rooney, Owen etc guide the younger players on the team through. You seem to think it's imperative that we have an older, proven CM there but sports teams rarely work that way.
Incidentally, I really don't see how Sneijder, with zero experience in the English game, would be the figure you think Cleverley and United are in need of.
I still have a feeling we are still in for him.
Vidic and Ferdinand are defenders, Rooney is a striker and Carrick is nowhere near to world class. Sneijder may not have any experience in the English game but he's an experienced world class player. Playing with such a player will be beneficial for both Cleverley and Anderson. They'll certainly learn more by playing with players like Sneijder then by playing with people like lets say Carrick.
Considering that we knew that Scholes/Giggs career was at an end these things should not happen. We should have sorted CM at least 1-2 yrs ago instead of keeping on piling more wingers, strikers and defenders.
OK thanks. Do you think I didn't know that?
I'm out anyway. I've enough faith in our squad and staff to know that signing Sneijder isn't crucial to the team's chances, or Cleverley's development.
feck me, you love to complain and moan don't you.
Maybe Ferguson has more faith in his players than you do. You're going to look quite an arsehole at the end of the season if United are PL champions and Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher and Cleverley all have seasons they can be proud of.
We've obviously talked to Sneijder ages ago, let alone recently (in fact, we were reported to be interested in him two seasons ago), so I doubt his wage demands are a sudden big surprise to United. So, I think this talk of 'United refuse to meet the demands of greedy Sneijder' is a red herring; it's far more likely that United want to bluff Inter into accepting as low a bid as possible.
It's such a myth this. People put far too much emphasis on what a player can learn from playing with another player. Everyone will be their own man and will learn by playing games and form their own way of playing.
I still think that we've got a great side and strangely enough I am actually pissed off just because of that. In fact I rate this team so much to believe that if we brought in one world class CM we can actually knock Barca from their perch. Unfortunately our transfer strategy seems to evolve around piling on defenders/wingers/strikers.
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SAF tells #mutv Countdown to Kick Off prog that there will be no more new signings. Says he is "quite happy with the squad"
SAF tells #mutv Countdown to Kick Off prog that there will be no more new signings. Says he is "quite happy with the squad"
What exactly has happened regarding Sneijder today?
It really is all down to one player then is it? Never mind the fact that when we actually did when the CL in 1999 neither Keane or Scholes were in the team? What happens if we sign Sneijder and he's injured when we play Barca? However will Tom Cleverley get through the game?
Don't be daft.
Nothing. I guess we won't see anything happening for a few more days atleast.
Why have a lot of people suddenly accepted that it isn't happening then?
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