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Wesley Sneijder
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Not much of a lowdown, that one; wr8 could have put together a better one with one arm tied behind his back and while forcefully wanking with the other one.
Wr8 wont be a happy chappy
he is loosing it. Second major fail by the lad in last 24 hours. maybe he is ill
Gone a bit quiet tonight, innit?
I for one have never believed we were signing him and still don't, I have also learned not to get so deeply involved in the muppettry as 90% of the time it doesn't materialise. Considering how well cleverly and anderson played Sunday it seemed obvious we weren't in desperate need to splash in excess of £30 million for a specialist player. Sneijder is a great player, but one who we won't be getting. Prepare yourself for another tease muppets, it ain't gonna happen! Every party has denied it, it seems clear we aren't in for him.
Anything about him on 5 live?
Dunno about not being in for him, over the last few weeks there have been so many reports about United being close to a deal that it got me thinking: can all that be completely baseless speculation?
I can only compare it to the Benzema saga of recent years and we WERE in for him, without a doubt. The Berbatov saga was somewhat similar, too and of course we ended up getting him.
Looking at how our midfield looked against Chelsea in the Community Shield last season, you wouldn't have expected the weaknesses we've shown throughout the following year. Anderson and Cleverley did really well and there could be good future for those two, but it's not enough.
Come off it, Giggs will be great, Carrick and Fletcher will be solid at the very least. That's enough for us to get through this season.
Can this actually happen ?
Placing all the creative burden on an untested 22-year-old and a 38-year-old doesn't seem like a great idea to me.
And next summer we'll be in even bigger need of investment, with Giggs probably retiring at the end of the season.
Question is what 'getting us through' means. Will we be a really good team? Yes, mostly because we're so good everywhere else. That's what won us the title and got us in the CL final. But improving the midfield will take us a step forward.
It's not muppetry, it's realism. Our midfield has weakened and weakened over the last couple of years. Some of the players we have are simply not going to become better, or more consistent. If last year's midfield performances weren't enough to convince people, I don't know what will.
I do think the belief Anderson will finally become the player we all want, and Cleverley will become an instant Man United class midfielder (because this is what we need if we sign no one), and Carrick and Fletcher will be solid, and Giggs will continue to do that at 38, is very much a best - and unlikely - scenario.
Add to that that Anderson and Park are injury prone, Fletcher has had that virus and also tends to get injured from time to time as well. It's obvious that United are taking a risk by not signing another midfielder.
The calm before the storm.
To be honest, we've never relied on creativity through the middle. The wings are always our main outlet from the middle, even Scholes fed the wingers for them to create. We have great wingers and I'm 99% confident that we won't have problems creating or scoring goals.
We also have some good youngsters coming through.
Sneijder isn't going to 'become better, or more consistent'. He's 27 himself.
It may be a gamble for us, as supporters, to say that we should place faith in these players. But if our manager has took the decision that they are ready to step up, then I trust him. I'd love for you to name me a midfielder that we could relistically buy that will definitely be a success or won't flop. See, there's just as much risk there.
Also, if the manager feels that Pogba/Morrison/Cleverley/Tunnicliffe etc. are going to make it here, and I think that 2 or 3 or close to being ready, then he will not ignore this. Going out and spending big money on a player that will block there progress will not happen, it goes against what we have always stood for as a club.
Sneijder has his own health problems, as you will probably know.
I think it could be enough, with anderson and cleverly s progression, giggs at a similar level and our attacking players all improving and strengthened I think we could be better off. We won the league and came 2nd in europe, it cant have been too bad, even if our weaknesses were always highlighted. If ferguson believes the team is ready then i tend to agree with him. After all, Van der sar was really the only first teamer we lost, scholes for all his glory featured less and less and his impact was insignificant really in comparison to previous seasons.
I wont be disappointed if we dont sign him, but i will be excited if we do, if that makes any sense. The bottom line, trust ferguson to do whats right for the team.
Creativity does not necessarily and exlusively mean that one final pass. It also means finding the right pass under pressure, it means being able to start a move and dictating the rhytm of the game.
If we plan on simply getting the ball out wide at each opportunity, we'll become a very predictable team, as we often were last season. Fortunately, the Community Shield game hinted at a different approach, one that will require some brains from the central midfielders.
Sneijder doesn't need to become better, that's the whole point. We may have a bunch of good talents, but you can't expect most of them, maybe any of them, to be ready for the sorts of level we're aspiring to. We may need to make that big signing simply to bridge the gap for a few years until they are. There will be plenty of room for Pogba and co, they aren't even close right now. With Giggs being nearly 38, with Carrick around 30, they won't be blocked.
United have never been about just waiting until the youngsters get better and whatever happens, happens. If we've got a major weakness that could hamper us seriously - which we do, as it already has - it should be rectified. Now, I'm not saying we have to sign Sneijder, not at all. I'm not even sure it's his sort of player we need. But I do know that relying on pretty much what we've had last year + Cleverley is what I would expect from Wenger. Not Sir Alex.
Which is why I'm sure he is after Sneijder, very much so. I don't know if we'll get him, but he's well aware of what most of us are. It's rare for him to actually talk about a weakness of ours, but he has admitted during the summer our midfield needs some work. And I can't believe some good friendly or CS performances changed his mind. It didn't save Obertan.
He has had them, especially at Madrid. In the last two season he has played 41 and 38 games, that's a good run in my opinion. My point was that we need more options, be it Sneijder or someone else. In a perfect world Pogba would have gotten more games by now and would be ready to step in but I really don't think he is yet (hopefully I'm wrong).
I hear this bullshit line trotted out all the time. There's certainly a risk with any player, but to say there's 'just as much risk' with having Sniejder as a key player as there is having Cleverely is absurd. Sneijder is a proven top class international footballer who lead his team to The Treble just a year ago, Cleverely is a good young player who has been hyped beyond belief for a good performance in a charity match against Manchester City, and a good season at Wigan.
Even if we don't sign Sneijder, we need some midfield reinforcements.
PS: I'm sure we'll sign him though.
PS: I'm sure we'll sign him though.
But shouldn't we always look to improve? Isn't that part of the Manchester United way? Not rest on our laurels and say, we've won the league, we must be OK, but look at the weaker parts of the team and try to get them better? You can't expect a near faultless home record again, which is what won us the league. The midfield was surely the route of our major problems away, and we have to get it right.
Forget Barcelona, we can spend 100m and still not get to that level. But It'll be tough if we go through another season when mediocre teams, even less, tear through our midfield. The team deserves better, the backline deserves better protected, the wingers and strikers deserve better service and seeing more of the ball. Should also be said we are likely to be weaker in goal. That means we have to compensate elsewhere.
Sneijder reveals United contact | News
Inter Milan star Sneijder has been linked with a move to United all summer and revealed at the weekend he could be sold for the right price.
The 27-year-old is also reportedly on the radar of Manchester City but he appears to be more interested in their arch-rivals.
Asked if he was keen on a move to Manchester United, Sneijder said in a video interview with NOS.nl - Nieuws, Sport en Evenementen op Radio, TV en Internet | Nederlandse Omroep Stichting, translated by ESPN soccernet: "Yes, but Manchester United haven't made an official approach yet.
"There have been unofficial talks, there have been contacts, but then there are always contacts.
"I have contacts with everybody."
United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has denied making a contract offer to Sneijder, who insisted it was more likely he would stay with Inter than leave before the transfer window closes.
He said: "The situation is that I am now an Inter player, and chances are that I will still be that come August 31. There is also a chance I could leave.
"That isn't really down to me but the club. I think Inter have been very clear: if a good offer comes in, they have to let me go.
"They don't want to lose me but there is a chance they will let me go.
"If something crosses my path, I have enough time to make my decision."
Sneijder was speaking before Holland's friendly against England on Wednesday was cancelled.
Asked whether he was planning to stay behind in the UK for talks, he said: "I don't know."
International team-mate Rafael van der Vaart believes close friend Sneijder would be a good fit for United.
Tottenham talisman Van der Vaart, who played with Sneijder at both Ajax and Real Madrid, told Sky Sports News: "Of course he would like to play in England, it's the biggest league in the world.
"He is a good friend of mine and we have contact almost every day. He knows what to expect in the Premier League."
When asked if he would be playing against Sneijder this season, he replied: "I hope not because Man Utd are going to be stronger.
"But he's a great player and he would fit in well at Man Utd."
Inter Milan star Sneijder has been linked with a move to United all summer and revealed at the weekend he could be sold for the right price.
The 27-year-old is also reportedly on the radar of Manchester City but he appears to be more interested in their arch-rivals.
Asked if he was keen on a move to Manchester United, Sneijder said in a video interview with NOS.nl - Nieuws, Sport en Evenementen op Radio, TV en Internet | Nederlandse Omroep Stichting, translated by ESPN soccernet: "Yes, but Manchester United haven't made an official approach yet.
"There have been unofficial talks, there have been contacts, but then there are always contacts.
"I have contacts with everybody."
United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has denied making a contract offer to Sneijder, who insisted it was more likely he would stay with Inter than leave before the transfer window closes.
He said: "The situation is that I am now an Inter player, and chances are that I will still be that come August 31. There is also a chance I could leave.
"That isn't really down to me but the club. I think Inter have been very clear: if a good offer comes in, they have to let me go.
"They don't want to lose me but there is a chance they will let me go.
"If something crosses my path, I have enough time to make my decision."
Sneijder was speaking before Holland's friendly against England on Wednesday was cancelled.
Asked whether he was planning to stay behind in the UK for talks, he said: "I don't know."
International team-mate Rafael van der Vaart believes close friend Sneijder would be a good fit for United.
Tottenham talisman Van der Vaart, who played with Sneijder at both Ajax and Real Madrid, told Sky Sports News: "Of course he would like to play in England, it's the biggest league in the world.
"He is a good friend of mine and we have contact almost every day. He knows what to expect in the Premier League."
When asked if he would be playing against Sneijder this season, he replied: "I hope not because Man Utd are going to be stronger.
"But he's a great player and he would fit in well at Man Utd."
Anyone give me a brief summary of actual developments? I'm in Portugal. Facts only please
the thread broke the 10,000 mark. Solius got the post.
The only other player who can significantly improve, who is linked to us and available is Nasri. But that bugger has chosen City over us.
Well I'm looking it at from the view point that we have improved the midfield. Cleverly looks set to feature as a regular now, Anderson has found some consistency, we can rely on these two for big games. They are young and hungry. Thats an improvement on last season. On top of that we have improved throughout the squad in other positions, Defence is so strong now, Attack, we have added Welbeck, and consider Young can play as a winger or attacking midfielder.. We have so many options.
I do tend to agree we are slightly light in central midfield and would love to sign Sneijder but if ferguson thinks we have improved enough to challenge then we have to put our faith in his judgement.
like 2 days old
According to this report, Inter will only sign Tevez on loan and are not interested in signing him on a permanent basis
Sky - Inter interessata a Tevez, ma in prestito - TUTTO MERCATO WEB
...another indication that they are skint..
Sky - Inter interessata a Tevez, ma in prestito - TUTTO MERCATO WEB
...another indication that they are skint..
And what is to say that our not-so great away form won't improve after last season? It's not like we didn't play well at home with a lot of the same CM, it wasn't like well at home everyone else played so much better, that the CM just sat down at the center circle and they just let everyone else do the work.
Mediocre team's weren't tearing through us in CM as it was. Often we just played poorly as a team and I have enough faith in the manager and the players to not repeat as many poor games.
As far as improving the team - well buying is certainly one way but, it isn't guaranteed. Also, the team can improve with existing players either finding their form (Carrick/Fletcher) or young players (Ando and Cleverley) stepping up - not to mention this season we'll have Giggs as a central option, he hardly played in CM for a lot of the games we were poor in.
So while buying a player like Sneijder increases our chances of being better in the middle of the park, it's doesn't mean if he or another CM doesn't come we won't be better.
Also, in a lot of games we were a bit hampered with the changes we could make to give us a spark. This year hopefully we'll be in a far better position to change things up in games we struggle in.
Last year's away form will be a one-off IMO and it certainly wasn't all due to the CM. We have a lot going for us into the season and see us getting a lot more points on the road.
How am I meant to know its 2 days old when everyone is talking such fecking bollocks in this thread? I went three pages back and saw nothing.
feck sake this thread is an embarrassment.
feck sake this thread is an embarrassment.
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