First of all Chelsea are in trouble too (in midfield). Essien is crocked and its reported that they want to spend 30m on Modric and another 20m on Vidal. Secondly if our midfielders are so good, that it makes it so hard for the boss to find someone who is superior to them, then I'd expect them to at least compete with Giggs for a first team place. Its certainly not the case.
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First of all Chelsea are in trouble too (in midfield). Essien is crocked and its reported that they want to spend 30m on Modric and another 20m on Vidal. Secondly if our midfielders are so good, that it makes it so hard for the boss to find someone who is superior to them, then I'd expect them to at least compete with Giggs for a first team place. Its certainly not the case.
1) There is a world of difference between saying 'none of us want to accept being the perennial runners-up to Barcelona' and 'it's not a great achievement to win a league that Charlie Adam is a top player in' or words to that effect. One of those statements is universally accepted by every fan of the club while the other is rightly derided as arrogant beyond belief.
I would love it as much as every other fan if we made it to the final next year and ripped Barca to shreds, but that's not the issue I had with your post.
2) I don't know you so I'm not going to start insulting you and alleging that you are but, in all honesty, you really could be very easily construed that way based on those comments alone. I'm sure you're not and you're just not getting your point across very well but that earlier post smacked of 'we're too good for this league' and 'domestic achievements are meaningless' which are attitudes that I cannot understand.
I see devilish has taken this thread to a whole new level.
Anyway, when is Sneijder scheduled to arrive?
There's bound to be some kind-hearted football agent revealing the confidential info, direct from a Milanese boardroom, to the wider world somewhere..
There's bound to be some kind-hearted football agent revealing the confidential info, direct from a Milanese boardroom, to the wider world somewhere..
Aha! So you're basing this on the comments of their recently appointed manager and their President
They've played against Mezzacorona (Serie D) and a Trentino (Serie D/B) in their two pre-season games. This is really their first test against any decent side in Cremonese (Serie B), and they're not really that decent either, and he's finding it tough.
There's a match going on currently btw. The comment was about that; I thought the 'HT' at the beginning of my post would be a hint but apparently not. Need a river? Or are you going to wait for the post match press conference to form your opinion about how he's coping?
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I don't think he is being arrogant in saying this. He obviously wants us to be on a par with them so we won't see our team be so completely overrun again.
It's been said our attack and defence are as good as Barcelona's so that must mean our midfield is exceptionally sub standard .
I have to say I've not thought our collective midfield has been that marvellous in recent years
The essence of Devilish post seems to suggest that this is the wrong club to follow if you think Sir Alex will rest on his laurels and to this extent I agree. We've seen the bar twice now, it's time we reach it also. Maintaining number 1 England and Europe should go hand in hand, improving for Europe, improves us for England also, so what's the issue.
Aha! So you're basing this on the comments of their recently appointed manager and their President
They've played against Mezzacorona (Serie D) and a Trentino (Serie D/B) in their two pre-season games. This is really their first test against any decent side in Cremonese (Serie B), and they're not really that decent either, and he's finding it tough.
There's a match going on currently btw. The comment was about that; I thought the 'HT' at the beginning of my post would be a hint but apparently not. Need a river? Or are you going to wait for the post match press conference to form your opinion about how he's coping?
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And his teammates, and the media and highlights of the game.
I think the suggestion that winning the league is "settling" has caused some fuss.
Even Sir Alex said winning the league was paramount or something to that effect.
I've never said that they are meaningless. What I am saying is that we shouldn't rest on our laurels + it would be a shame if we did. The current squad is just 1-2 CMs away from competing against Barca and that's why I am so pissed off with those who say "Oh well they are too good" or "We should be happy because we won the league". Call me arrogant but I believe that if we can sort the CM problems then we would be capable of competing with Barca on level ground.
I can accept being humilated by a much superior side (ex AC Milan during the late 80s is a perfect example of this) but I can't accept being humilated because we fail to address a problem that is growing bigger by the minute. Call me arrogant but I rate this squad so much to believe that our only stumbling block to reach Barcelona is CM. Unfortunately its seems that we don't want to address that problem anytime soon.
Our midfield is certainly not 'exceptionally sub-standard'. It's just that they are being compared to a midfield that has a strong claim on being the greatest midfield in the history of the sport.
Our midfield could certainly be stronger. Actually, it's biggest problem is probably consistency. When on form it's comfortably in the top five midfields in the world today. As seen by how we have regularly matched and even over-run the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Milan, Inter, etc in the midfield over the last few years. I'd say only Barca and Real have a better midfield than ours at it's best.
But that same midfield regularly goes missing, and it can go from outclassing a title challenger one week to being second best to lower table opposition the next. That's where we need an improvement, somebody who will be looking to take control in there on a consistent basis and who can play two games a week as we head into the busy season.
Ah well, yes, 'settling' for the league is madness! The league is always no.1.
Our midfield could be a LOT stronger. I still miss Bryan Robson!!
If we brought our midfield to the parity of our attack and defense not only do I believe we'd stroll the league but I also think we'd be one of the only teams able to beat Barca.
I don't think you are arrogant because you rate us as being a midfielder or two away from destroying all before us, I share that view also. If there's a twenty year old Bryan Robson out there then we should be scouring the globe to find him.
Just to clarify my position: I believe that we are the second best team in world football at this time, and are a player or two and a good tactical plan away from taking Barcelona down. I think that we should be always looking to strengthen the team/squad, regardless of how succesful we are at any given time. Football is not a place to stand still, as Liverpool have shown us all over the last couple of decades.
My issue was not with any of these things, as I've stated before we should always be looking to improve and better ourselves. My issue was with the implication that the league was merely a secondary prize and that losing to Barcelona was "humiliating" and rendered our season a failure.
Oh you've watched highlights, have you?
Yepp I watch Italian media regularly and I got Inter channel. I also know Italian too.
I don't see last season as a failure. Winning the 19 title was special. On the other hand yes I see the CL as the ultimate prize (altough I also believe that ending up 4th just to focus on the big ears cup is a bit of cheating) and I am pissed off that we ended up being humilated by a side whose not that stronger then we are.
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But you don't watch the games and instead rely on highlights and comments made in the press to judge performances. By that rationale, how can you disagree with anyone who's commenting on a match that's being played or was being played. Watching rolling highlights, are you?
So who do you suggest? Because I'd argue that we are more then just one quality midfielder short. We'd need well over £100 million on world class players to bridge the gap between us and Barca and if the players aren't there then what can we do?
I am relying on 20 minutes highlights, coupled by the opinion of journalists (some of whom are Mediaset employees ie a company owned by arch rival Berlusconi), the owner and the manager. That's the best option one can have apart from actually watching the game.
Did you watched the game?
Why would I when I have highlights and comments in the press to rely on? Nonsensical question, really.
That doesn't actually answered the question.
Just reading those comments, he sounds like the type of player that our supporters wouldn't take to too well. A bit like Berbatov.
The criticism of his inability to play CM was inevitable. A lot of us have questioned this since day 1.
The criticism of his inability to play CM was inevitable. A lot of us have questioned this since day 1.
It doesn't? I think it answered the question with sufficient derision, personally.Do tell me when I'm about to cross the line though, I don't want you creating complaint threads about me in the Mod/Admin help forum
I apologize if I take an English speaking Inter forum with a pinch of salt. So you're relying on what is being said on some random forum and you're laughing at me for believing journalists and a 20 minutes highlight?
So the fact that they watched the game is not important - a game which you weren't watching but felt adequately informed on to call his performance 'doing very well' - but the language in which they communicate is? I know of your anti-Britain agenda but this is taking the cake, surely.
I'm relying on what is being said in the forum to make my judgements? Oh it gets better
I'm relying on what is being said in the forum to make my judgements? Oh it gets better
An Inter italian forum
Sneijder nel modulo di Gasperini - Pagina 31
Ci serve - we need him
il fatto è che ora, se dobbiamo giocare con un regista di quel tipo, è l'unico che abbiamo ed è pressoché insostituibile - If we're going to play with this system then Sneijder is simply irreplaceble
A me piace tantissimo in quel ruolo. Ci fa giocare molto meglio! - I really like Sneijder in his new role. He makes us play better.
Sneijder nel modulo di Gasperini - Pagina 31
Ci serve - we need him
il fatto è che ora, se dobbiamo giocare con un regista di quel tipo, è l'unico che abbiamo ed è pressoché insostituibile - If we're going to play with this system then Sneijder is simply irreplaceble
A me piace tantissimo in quel ruolo. Ci fa giocare molto meglio! - I really like Sneijder in his new role. He makes us play better.
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Oh so you didn't watch the game and are now basing your opinion completely on a random forum?
At least wait for the 20 minute highlights, my good man
Oh so you didn't watch the game and are now basing your opinion completely on a random forum?
At least wait for the 20 min. highlights, my good man
No I am basing myself on what the journalists/the manager/the owner/Italian fans had said and on a 20 minutes highlight.
Do you care telling us how you have concluded that Sneijder played badly?
I am waiting for Moratti and Gasperini's comments on the game - watching the game yourself just doesn't come close to how they break it down with their Hegelian dialectic.
Oh well you've yet to answer my question. On my part I refuse to watch preseason games of a rival team against third rated opponents just because we may be interested in one of their players. That does smell of muppetery for me.
devilish used to pretend to be English, btw. It wasn't until the Italians won the WC in 2006 that he became Italian.
That does fit in in the Sneijder's thread doesn't it? Wow that's 2 yrs after you've discovered Manchester United right?
BTW if I'll ever write a autobiography Ill consult you. You probably know about me more then I do.
Ooh editing posts I haven't quoted, are we? How can you ask to be taken seriously after these childish attempts to win arguments?
So in summary, you think Sneijder "has done very well" in a game that you weren't watching; a game that was being played at that time so a 20 min. highlight package was out of the question (or was it?
); a game that the media hadn't written about yet but those that were watching are wrong because they don't speak Italian.I know English isn't your first language (it isn't mine either), but keep dictionary.com open on the side if you can't keep up or request a simpler explanation. No shame in doing that.
Ooh editing posts I haven't quoted, are we? How can you ask to be taken seriously after these childish attempts to win arguments?
So in summary, you think Sneijder "has done very well" in a game that you weren't watching; a game that was being played at that time so a 20 min. highlight package was out of the question (or was it?
I know English isn't your first language (it isn't mine either), but keep dictionary.com open on the side if you can't keep up or request a simpler explanation. No shame in doing that.
I said that Sneijder did very well according to what the journalists/media/etc said. Maybe I've mixed the games up (its seems that they are doing alot of preseason matches lately). I tend to gather information on Italia Uno sports mediaset and Inter channel. If they are lying then I am lying too.
BTW the time I used to try to take any arguments on the internet seriously are well over. Its a waste of time basically.
Also a waste of time telling people about hairdryers you've witnessed over the internet. No-one ever believes those stories no matter how true.
I agree.
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