I seriously do not know what's the fuss and hype over Pastore
Wesley Sneijder
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You are the one that mentioned Ronaldo!I reckon Ronaldo would be bette than Sneijder in behind a striker, no problem. But if you are talking about the potential to play deep and spread the ball, then sure, Sneijder is the pick of the two. I only mentioned Ronaldo though because you did. Anyone with half a brain would take Ronaldo at 28, but Sneijder isn't such a sure thing for me.
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I reckon Ronaldo would be bette than Sneijder in behind a striker, no problem. But if you are talking about the potential to play deep and spread the ball, then sure, Sneijder is the pick of the two. I only mentioned Ronaldo though because you did. Anyone with half a brain would take Ronaldo at 28, but Sneijder isn't such a sure thing for me.
Ronaldo is the 2nd best in his position in the world.
Sneijder is the top 3-5 in his position in the world.
I would take either/both of them at 28 but I was just saying that the same people who seem to have a problem with Sneijder's age (despite him being quality) wouldn't have problems if it was Ronaldo.
I know, but I was saying that although Sneijder is good, he is still no Ronaldo. So of course you'd take Ronaldo, but Sneijder isn't a 'must have' player in my eyes. Age doesn't matter with Ronaldo, but with Sneijder his age is just one of the things that goes against him, aswell as the fact that he's untested in England, he perhaps can't play the role we'd need him for and the fact that he suffers with illness/injury a lot recently.
Also, I think that there are many players that will soon be regarded higher than Sneijder, as well as some that are already ahead of him. So I wouldn't put him in the top 3-5 in his position (depending on what you consider that to be)
it would depend on the transfer fee for both
sneijder is worth the money despite his age for me as he looks like he is the final piece in the puzzle...
filling scholes shoes are difficult even in his later years but sneijder looks like he could be a player who could have a real impact
players like ronaldo are a one off - if you go the chance to sign him back, even at 28, why would you turn down the opportunity
I have a theory on the reason why we haven't signed him yet...
With his salary reported to be around £250k pw, Gill has devised a cunning plan to delay the signing until 01 September and in the process save a couple of million quid in wages.
With his salary reported to be around £250k pw, Gill has devised a cunning plan to delay the signing until 01 September and in the process save a couple of million quid in wages.
Maybe we're just not all that interested. It's probably a case of if we could get him for £25 mill then we would, but he's not ideal for us and we're not desperate enough to pay £35 mill. Just like Benzema, we'd have him for £25 mill, but nothing more than that.
Joking aside, it would save £1m if we waiting until the end of August.
Good point!!
To be honest I get the sense that there are lots of little issues. I think all the major players see the big picture as a good fit, hence all the speculation.
The question is can we get all the little issues worked out: transfer sum, weekly wages(taxes/Nike/team pay structure), Mrs. Sneijders preferences. I am still hoping like any good muppet would
.I would back out of a deal if he were asking for 250k a week as well. Buying his own post-world cup hype, and even that didn't make him out to be better than the two players on 250k, doesn't offer the marketing to make up for it like Rooney either.
I'd much rather wait, even if that be a year or more, than dish out a contract that ties us down for 500k a week on two players nearly for 5 years. No doubt he's a good player, but overpaying £35m in the current inflated market is enough, paying far too much in salary on top of that? Nothx, we not desperate.
I'd much rather wait, even if that be a year or more, than dish out a contract that ties us down for 500k a week on two players nearly for 5 years. No doubt he's a good player, but overpaying £35m in the current inflated market is enough, paying far too much in salary on top of that? Nothx, we not desperate.
Don't worry, we won't go anywhere near him if he insists on that 250k/week. Can't see him going above Rooney as the top earner of the club
He can't go above Rooney because he has a parity clause to match any new signings.
We could also give him the same wage as rooney and a massive signing on fee
Well Rooneys only on the amount he's on because he's a marketing machine. Sneijder won't earn half of what Rooney does for the club, even after the nike and MUFC PR teams have hyped him up with us. Just can't see the club, or Fergie bending over backwards for him, 180k max imo. 200k at a push.
How do you know that? Had a peek at his contract?
We should offer him 150k a week (which is still a joke amount of money), if he turns it down or asks for more, publicly humiliate him and tell him to do one. His choice shouldn't be effected by wage bills, but by what club he feels he can further his career at.
35m is a great price for a player of his calibre.
Get with the times...
Get with the times...
We've never paid that for anyone. It's unrealistic to think we'd pay that now.
The funny thing is he's currently on £155k at Inter and demanding £160k. I don't know where people/reporters are getting the £250k figures from??
Don't think it's the price for him that's a stumbling block, reckon we can pay the 35m to get him. It's more of his wage demands
it depends whether we think he is value for money. I think his wages is more of a big issue right now.
The press make up/misuse figures all the time.
78% of statistics and figures are made up
i think this deal will be on ice until fergie is back from the states - i think gill is doing the donkey work on this now in communicating with Inter
While I would never say that a 27 year old is no good, and I love the 27+ year olds in the squad currently, I really do not like the idea of going out and spending big money on a 27 year old for a number of reasons. For me, it's an issue of cost, relative to expected productivity over the long term.Why do some people act like being 27 means you're on your deathbed?! And overrated?
At 27, a player is at their peak. That's good in the short term, but they likely won't be as good 5 years from now, and maybe not even 2-3 years from now. They cost as much as they will ever cost in their careers, despite having fewer years ahead of them. Yeah, people can throw out the Giggs example, but let's be honest, that is far from the norm, and was not something that you would have predicted he'd have in him 10 years ago.
By 27 (really even by 25), a player is who he is. They might be great, but still might do things a little differently than a manager like SAF would prefer. Even little things can cause a player to not fit in well in a certain team. Personally, I think this is why Berbatov has had trouble fitting in. When you have someone as brilliant as SAF, it's better if he can mold a player as he wishes.
Lastly, how many "big signings" have we really had in the past 15-20 years of players 27+ years old, especially who have really made a big impact? Yorke (I think he was almost 27), Berbatov, who else? Sheringham at 3.5 million was a big name, but not a big price tag. VDS wasn't very expensive. Blanc I don't believe was very expensive, if he cost anything. Owen cost nothing.
Again, none of this is to say that 27 year olds can't play, but how often are they worth the price being asked? It's been a rarity for SAF to spend big for them, and he apparently vowed not to again after Berbatov. So if SAF does sign Sneijder especially at some 35-40 million, it says a lot about how SAF rates him, and I'll be fine with that. But if not, I'll be more than happy to move on without him.
How quickly some people forget £30m for Berbatov, and that was 3 years ago
That's because the norm for players used to be lower than the norm for players now. What's actually unrealistic is thinking that we'd pay less than todays going rate for players of his calibre because we used to pay what players are now worth more than. Space raiders used to be 10p. They're not anymore and you couldn't get a bag at 10p if you asked the shopkeeper just because you've never paid that amount for one before.
Players cost more today, people will realise this one day.
Answer me this. Why does the price we buy a player for effect you? If the club can afford it, I don't see the problem. Who are we to decide the value of a player and what we should and shouldn't pay?
Granted, you don't want to be paying 35M for Carroll, because well, he doesn't warrant that price. Although, from a Liverpool's fan perspective who cares? If they wanted the player and can afford that price in demand, why not.
The only reason I can think of for concern is bragging rights.It's that sense of achievement when a bargain buy like Hernandez takes the PL by storm whilst before that he was under the radar.
But in this case, if Inter want 35M and we can afford that sum of money, then we should buy him. A sum in the 20's would be better for the club but 10M isn't a huge price difference in the footballing world.
playing devils advocate but a selling club like Inter, Arsenal or Spurs who have an asset that would address an area in our squad in need of urgent improvement can hold us to ransom for the player in question....
sneijder at 35 million and say 200k a week for me is a good deal given our need to bring in top quality now rather than bring in a few players for the future
we have 2 midfield prospects in pogba and tunnicliffe - we have solid if not spectacular players in fletcher, carrick and anderson - we have a diamond in giggs but we cant play him twice a week regularly if we want him playing at a high level
we are missing a creative spark in midfield, someone who can be a playmaker like scholes was for us - these players values cannot be underestimated
had we decided to sell scholes when he was 27 how much do you think we would have got?? he was priceless for us and you only have to hear about some of quotes from the likes of Lippi to realise that these players are gems
on the question of age - sneijder at 27 could realistically give us 5-6 years good service - he doesnt exactly rely on lightening pace and is more of an intelligent footballer....giggs is 37...scholes was 36 after all
its also a good deal when you consider the market - its been distorted by a number of transfers (carroll/downing/bent) but 35 million for a genuine world class player who has done it at Champions League and World cup level is a good deal for me
sneijder at 35 million and say 200k a week for me is a good deal given our need to bring in top quality now rather than bring in a few players for the future
we have 2 midfield prospects in pogba and tunnicliffe - we have solid if not spectacular players in fletcher, carrick and anderson - we have a diamond in giggs but we cant play him twice a week regularly if we want him playing at a high level
we are missing a creative spark in midfield, someone who can be a playmaker like scholes was for us - these players values cannot be underestimated
had we decided to sell scholes when he was 27 how much do you think we would have got?? he was priceless for us and you only have to hear about some of quotes from the likes of Lippi to realise that these players are gems
on the question of age - sneijder at 27 could realistically give us 5-6 years good service - he doesnt exactly rely on lightening pace and is more of an intelligent footballer....giggs is 37...scholes was 36 after all
its also a good deal when you consider the market - its been distorted by a number of transfers (carroll/downing/bent) but 35 million for a genuine world class player who has done it at Champions League and World cup level is a good deal for me
We never paid wages like we gave Rooney either.
And we signed players like Rio, Rooney, Veron and Berba on big fees.
You might be if you offered to part-ex with a pack of Transform-A-Snacks.
I understand that the market has been inflated massively by clubs overspending on player, but you can still see a reluctance on Fergie's part to get involved at the top end of the market. An example that I gave earlier was Karim Benzema. He was a good 6 years younger than Sneijder is now but there was a limit on what we were willing to spend.
As long as there are other options, which Fergie has hinted there are, I can't see us spending that much on Sneijder.
Sneijder news at 8pm on Talksport!
It will be about City.
It will be about City.
Weird thing to say, considering his physical attributes, most notably his pace and athleticism play a huge part in him being such a lethal attacker. Sneijder, on the other hand, relies mostly on his technical abilities and creativity, things that don't go away with age (see Paul Scholes who had one of his best seasons ever at the age of 32).
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Yeah - City will be gazumping us, the cnuts.
City are going to spunk it then
It's sadly inevitable...
No quotes and just stupid speculation.
Actually, I reckon TalkSport are just yanking our chains.
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