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Godfather said:
That's the solution! Let's concentrate on buying defenders and wingers and let's convert them into CM! It surely works just as well as it did with Giggs
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No I was just saying it won't be the end of the world, we've got a very adaptable squad as we've proven over and over again...but yes, let's be hysterical instead.

I've decided I want Sneijder and was horribly wrong about his ability to play in a deeper role so it'd be a bit of a kick in the balls if he ended up going to City now.
 
Brwned said:
No I was just saying it won't be the end of the world, we've got a very adaptable squad as we've proven over and over again...but yes, let's be hysterical instead.

I've decided I want Sneijder and was horribly wrong about his ability to play in a deeper role so it'd be a bit of a kick in the balls if he ended up going to City now.
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we have a very adaptable squad but if we experience anything like the injuries we did last season to we will end up relying on a makeshift midfield for prolonged periods...

we cant expect giggs to play twice a week for long periods - rotating our squad has always been a strength but a few injuries in key positions and i think we are in trouble

anderson has been injured regularly the last couple of seasons

its ok playing valencia right back or rooney in midfield for a game or two but if we end up doing it for 10+ games we will struggle

carrick may go through a period of poor form and we may be unable to drop him due to lack of bodies

pogba and tunnicliffe may surprise us but its surely a year too early for them

i just dont see the point in having a very strong team but having an obvious weakness in the squad - why rely on round pegs in square holes??

we will sign a midfielder
 
Solius said:
Another day... :(
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buckooo1978 said:
i just dont see the point in having a very strong team but having an obvious weakness in the squad - why rely on round pegs in square holes??
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Because the round pegs are readily available, the square pegs may not be available to us for one reason or another. We could choose a slightly smaller square peg that still fits, but it still doesn't fill that hole the way we'd like it to and we'd rather wait until the right size becomes available than pick one of the many smaller sized-ones.

Fits in with how this current generation is defined though - we need everything now, most accept something of slightly lower quality if it means we can get it now. I don't think Sir Alex is like that.
 
Brwned said:
No I was just saying it won't be the end of the world, we've got a very adaptable squad as we've proven over and over again...but yes, let's be hysterical instead...
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Now you are the one being hysterical. There's really nothing hysterical about us pointing out the obvious fact we've significantly reduced our numbers in midfield. Replacing those numbers with the untested Cleverely and a defender in Jones makes little sense. I cant' see SAF taking such a risk.

I can understand him postponing replacing a Scholes. I just can't see him however going into a season without enough numbers in midfield. He can only attempt that if he thinks the likes or Pogba and James are ready for first team duty. But he is yet to indicate such a belief.
 
buckooo1978 said:
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i just dont see the point in having a very strong team but having an obvious weakness in the squad - why rely on round pegs in square holes??

we will sign a midfielder
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Exactly. SAF doesn't operate that way. I can't see him not adding at least one midfielder to our roster come the close of the window.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Exactly. SAF doesn't operate that way. I can't see him not adding at least one midfielder to our roster come the close of the window.
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Yep, that's about the size of it and it'll probably be someone whose name hasn't been mentioned in the press or on the caf. But I still think that Fergie has high hopes for Anderson now he can step out of Scholes' shadow. I'm not saying he's able to replace Scholes - nobody can - but it's time some seriously responsibility was given to Anderson. I didn't used to be a fan but during the last quarter of last season, he started to come good and once he'd scored a few goals, you could see the confidence in his play.
 
Siorac said:
Oh God. That was with a much smaller squad, in a different era. Football has changed tremendously since 1999.

Then again, I know it's a heinous crime to suggest that United are not actually perfect. So let me repent: we are perfect, the Jones-Park midfield will take the Premier League by storm and nobody will stand a chance against us.
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It's not about suggesting that we're not perfect it's about you expecting us to be perfect (nothing to do with anyone else and perfection) and any time we're below that we're a bit underwhelming, or if we win a league we're average...it's like you don't know the meaning of average, that anything below the top four doesn't exist.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Now you are the one being hysterical. There's really nothing hysterical about us pointing out the obvious fact we've significantly reduced our numbers in midfield. Replacing those numbers with the untested Cleverely and a defender in Jones makes little sense. I cant' see SAF taking such a risk.

I can understand him postponing replacing a Scholes. I just can't see him however going into a season without enough numbers in midfield. He can only attempt that if he thinks the likes or Pogba and James are ready for first team duty. But he is yet to indicate such a belief.
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The hysterical part wasn't about wanting us to get a midfielder.

In 06/07 we had Carrick, Scholes and Fletcher as our only 'proper' centre mids with Richardson, Giggs and O'Shea playing less than 10 games between them in centre mid I'd reckon. Compare this to Carrick, Anderson and Fletcher + Park, Giggs and Jones and I don't see any difference in numbers/options and that's not including Cleverley nor noting that Giggs is much more adapted to the role and Fletcher's considerably more able to play there in any game.

Everyone wants us to get a midfielder, this is what people need to realise first and foremost. Everyone. I'd include Sir Alex in that. People aren't arguing against this, they're arguing against the idea that it's a catastrophe if we don't, as they have for the last two years...the situation's changed with Gibson and Scholes and the need is more pressing to find that player but we won't be forced into it and I think squad-wise we're ok, if we do sign someone it will be someone to replace Scholes not to add to the numbers.

I do think we'll bring in a midfielder, I just think there's a chance we won't and we'll cope well with a versatile squad as we often do.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Exactly. SAF doesn't operate that way. I can't see him not adding at least one midfielder to our roster come the close of the window.
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I think you're right Chief. What we have now is a situation where clubs have time on their hands, both those selling and those wishing to buy.

Towards the end of the window is when all the media fuelled bollocks will be out of the way and the serious negotiations will start, and i fully expect SAF to make a midfield signing before the window ends.
 
As many have predicted, this will be a dragged out set of negotiations.


SAF is posturing... Usually, in a situation like this he gets his man...
 
I think that a new CM is a must. It was the position we needed to strengthen most (after the gk). If we can find the funds and the talent to bring in a 4-5th choice defender and another winger then we can do the same in CM. What we're talking about bringing in someone who is better then Anderson and Gibson not Iniesta and Zidane.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
We won the league and finished second in Europe because we were good, not because the opposition was crap.
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True, but the opposition weren't as strong as in previous years, and consequently we didn't have to be as good as in previous years to win.

It will certainly be harder this season, because teams like Chelsea, City and Liverpool will have been strengthened significantly.
 
Brwned said:
It's not about suggesting that we're not perfect it's about you expecting us to be perfect (nothing to do with anyone else and perfection) and any time we're below that we're a bit underwhelming, or if we win a league we're average...it's like you don't know the meaning of average, that anything below the top four doesn't exist.
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I expect us to strive for perfection, to make the effort. Not signing a midfielder would mean we're not doing all we can to continue being successful.

Average is a very relative term, of course: if we use the Premier League as the reference point, then of course our midfield is above average. However, if we take the biggest clubs in Europe, those who will be in the Champions League next season then we'll have to say our midfield is far below average. That is, most top teams - Barcelona, Real Madrid, Manchester City, Arsenal, Inter, Bayern - have better midfields than us. We should try to do something about this and I really can't understand those who suggest otherwise, like Cnut.

Re your point about 06/07: we were exceptionally lucky with injuries in CM that season - and the team was shattered by the end of April, we could barely crawl over the finish line.
 
Brwned said:
In 06/07 we had Carrick, Scholes and Fletcher as our only 'proper' centre mids with Richardson, Giggs and O'Shea playing less than 10 games between them in centre mid I'd reckon. Compare this to Carrick, Anderson and Fletcher + Park, Giggs and Jones and I don't see any difference in numbers/options and that's not including Cleverley nor noting that Giggs is much more adapted to the role and Fletcher's considerably more able to play there in any game.
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06/07 Scholes was one of the best in the world.
 
Brwned said:
It's not about suggesting that we're not perfect it's about you expecting us to be perfect (nothing to do with anyone else and perfection) and any time we're below that we're a bit underwhelming, or if we win a league we're average...it's like you don't know the meaning of average, that anything below the top four doesn't exist.



The hysterical part wasn't about wanting us to get a midfielder.

In 06/07 we had Carrick, Scholes and Fletcher as our only 'proper' centre mids with Richardson, Giggs and O'Shea playing less than 10 games between them in centre mid I'd reckon. Compare this to Carrick, Anderson and Fletcher + Park, Giggs and Jones and I don't see any difference in numbers/options and that's not including Cleverley nor noting that Giggs is much more adapted to the role and Fletcher's considerably more able to play there in any game.

Everyone wants us to get a midfielder, this is what people need to realise first and foremost. Everyone. I'd include Sir Alex in that. People aren't arguing against this, they're arguing against the idea that it's a catastrophe if we don't, as they have for the last two years...the situation's changed with Gibson and Scholes and the need is more pressing to find that player but we won't be forced into it and I think squad-wise we're ok, if we do sign someone it will be someone to replace Scholes not to add to the numbers.

I do think we'll bring in a midfielder, I just think there's a chance we won't and we'll cope well with a versatile squad as we often do.
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In 2006/07 we had a world class CM. Now we don't.
 
Siorac said:
I expect us to strive for perfection, to make the effort. Not signing a midfielder would mean we're not doing all we can to continue being successful.
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How do you work that out? Not trying to sign a midfielder would mean we are not doing enough, that is clearly not the case.

We have shown interest in Modric, Nasri and now Sneijder, but the fees being suggested and the apparent unwillingness of their respective chairman to do reasonable business is not really our fault. The belief that SAF is looking at quality options for signing a midfielder should at least indicate that we are in fact making the effort.

Whether we are successful in our attempts or not, should not detract from the effort actually being made to address our midfield deficiencies.
 
apotheosis said:
How do you work that out? Not trying to sign a midfielder would mean we are not doing enough, that is clearly not the case.

We have shown interest in Modric, Nasri and now Sneijder, but the fees being suggested and the apparent unwillingness of their respective chairman to do reasonable business is not really our fault. The belief that SAF is looking at quality options for signing a midfielder should at least indicate that we are in fact making the effort.

Whether we are successful in our attempts or not, should not detract from the effort actually being made to address our midfield deficiencies.
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Exactly. Fergie has said that we could easily sign a midfielder but they wouldn't improve us, so if we do sign a midfielder, it's pretty obvious they're going to be box office.

Box office or nothing at all. That seems to be the policy.
 
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