Wesley Sneijder

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Ole's_toe_poke said:
His point is that they are not the ONLY 3 midfielders out there and he is right.
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For the coming season though - of the CM out there - what other names are there that can improve upon what we have? The talk by Fergie is filling Scholes boots as well and that even further narrows down the list. Those 3 names are the only 3 that are remotely viable when it comes to that requirement that there is a possibility of a transfer going through (ignoring Glaston's instance Modric won't leave).

There are certainly some CM out there that if we buy right now that may turn out to be his long term replacement. But, I think the club is not only looking long term - they want that person to come in this season and be the man - that's why Sneijder is one of the 3 at the top of the list.
 
Wayne_Rooney said:
What I'm trying to say is, that if he comes here I don't want his decision to be fueled on his wages.
I want players like Hernandez, he appreciates the club and how lucky he is. Wages aren't an issue to him because he appreciates he's getting so much as it is. (at least it seems that way)
Maybe I'm hoping for players that don't exist. I would say I'm old fashioned, but I'm only a student!
Look at City, full of ego's and individuals. Each big name is their because of the money, any other such reason is bollocks. I don't want us to become like them. We're nowhere near that right now, however if Sneijder forces a huge wage packet of 200k+ and joins us, then I'm not sure how I'll feel.

I agree, the comment about Inter was a little harsh. Although Inter had a poor season last year, the year before was another story, but they also had Jose.
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I agree, in a perfect world a player wouldn't be fueled by money but in reality it's so different. When people have money they live high and want more, it's human nature really. It's especially difficult to give up money that you "already have" as in this case. Of course I have hopes that he'll do it but if he doesn't I won't blame him at all. Inter were mad to give him that in the first place and we won't be doing the same so no need to worry about us reaching the "City status" anytime soon.

Hernandez is special but United will still be giving him a pay rise soon, I'm sure of that. Not that he's asking for it but giving him one will make him more happy, smart business.

And as for City, they lost the plot almost before it began. They mostly sign mercenaries though, the easiest players to get. Just promise them a huge payday and they are yours.
 
mustaine said:
Hernandez is special but United will still be giving him a pay rise soon, I'm sure of that. Not that he's asking for it but giving him one will make him more happy, smart business.

And as for City, they lost the plot almost before it began. They mostly sign mercenaries though, the easiest players to get. Just promise them a huge payday and they are yours.
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Why? In fear of other clubs tempting him?

You see from what Hernandez has said so far, it seems he is eternally grateful for United did to him by taking a risk and fueling his career. He has the best manager he could hope for, with a world class striker playing alongside him. The fans are crazy about him.

I don't think giving him more would be necessary. It would make him more happy, probably, more money is nice. No one would turn down more money. Still it's not needed right now.

Another fear I have about Sneijder and wages, is that it could start a chain off. "If he's earning 250k a week, why aren't I?"
It should be considered. A high team morale drove the way for a lot of games last season and I wouldn't want a team to be split because of something so nonsensical. Thankfully, Rooney's ridiculously random outburst didn't have this effect, but if another player gets a similar wage, it may well just start.
 
Wayne_Rooney said:
Why? In fear of other clubs tempting him?

You see from what Hernandez has said so far, it seems he is eternally grateful for United did to him by taking a risk and fueling his career. He has the best manager he could hope for, with a world class striker playing alongside him. The fans are crazy about him.

I don't think giving him more would be necessary. It would make him more happy, probably, more money is nice. No one would turn down more money. Still it's not needed right now.

Another fear I have about Sneijder and wages, is that it could start a chain off. "If he's earning 250k a week, why aren't I?"
It should be considered. A high team morale drove the way for a lot of games last season and I wouldn't want a team to be split because of something so nonsensical. Thankfully, Rooney's ridiculously random outburst didn't have this effect, but if another player gets a similar wage, it may well just start.
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Regarding Hernandez, it's just smart business. Frequently used by all clubs to reward players for good form. There was actually a story on United planning to offer him a new contract a few days ago (somewhere on this board). It would be smart, it's always better to offer it before they feel like they should get more, we're not talking about insane money but a bit higher. He deserves it.

Sneijder isn't going to earn that amount at United so no worries there. I don't think United would pay anybody more than Rooney (except Ronaldo or Messi).
 
How close are you to getting a midfielder to replace Paul Scholes?

There’s nothing on the horizon with that, so we just carry on with the players we have.

Can you clarify the situation with Wesley Sneijder. Are Inter Milan putting up too many barriers?

I’m not going to talk about that, it’s not an issue. It’s just difficult.

Are you happy to go into the season without that key midfielder?

We’re all searching for that. Everybody is searching for the special player who makes the difference. We have more than capable midfield players, so we will carry on.

Read more: Sir Alex Ferguson talks to Sportsmail | Mail Online
 
Kelvin said:
How close are you to getting a midfielder to replace Paul Scholes?

There’s nothing on the horizon with that, so we just carry on with the players we have.

Can you clarify the situation with Wesley Sneijder. Are Inter Milan putting up too many barriers?

I’m not going to talk about that, it’s not an issue. It’s just difficult.

Are you happy to go into the season without that key midfielder?

We’re all searching for that. Everybody is searching for the special player who makes the difference. We have more than capable midfield players, so we will carry on.

Read more: Sir Alex Ferguson talks to Sportsmail | Mail Online
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Hmmmm very interesting.
 
Interesting he'd use the word "difficult" rather than saying "we aren't interested in him" like he did before.

I think basically confirms that we are interested but Inter and Sneijder's wages are making it difficult.
 
"It's just difficult."

I really think we'll get him after a few weeks of negotiations. Inter will need the money to buy their midfielders as well.
 
what stood out to me is that he doesn't seem to shoot down the idea of rooney taking on a position like scholsey used to play just behind the strikers. apparently even scholes himself said that rooney would be able to take up his mantle. perhaps fergie will surprise us all and make rooney the midfield maestro we are all looking for in sneijder?
 
erickingcantona said:
what stood out to me is that he doesn't seem to shoot down the idea of rooney taking on a position like scholsey used to play just behind the strikers. apparently even scholes himself said that rooney would be able to take up his mantle. perhaps fergie will surprise us all and make rooney the midfield maestro we are all looking for in sneijder?
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While I agree with you that Rooney is one of the few players who could replace Scholes and in one respect improve on him (Rooney can tackle ;)

Who would replace Rooney as a Forward?

I think at this moment in time, the loss of Rooney up front would be greater than the gain in midfield.
 
Wonder how much of that mail article is SAF's response verbatim. Lots of times you see a story printed where the responses aren't word for word what was said. Particularly I'd be curious if SAF actually said "It's difficult" at the end of his response to the Sneijder question. Just putting that in there gives the story continued existence. Without those words, it kills the story.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Interesting he'd use the word "difficult" rather than saying "we aren't interested in him" like he did before.

I think basically confirms that we are interested but Inter and Sneijder's wages are making it difficult.
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How are you getting from "difficult" to "his wages making it difficult"?
 
I do worry that we will indeed not sign another midfielder this summer. I don't mind if it's not Nasri, Sneijder or Modric, i don't care what kind of midfielder they are, i just feel we do need someone extra there.

We've lost Scholes and Hargreaves. Fletcher is apprently again struck down by a Virus, and won't have a pre season under his belt. So that leaves us with Carrick, Anderson, Giggs and Cleverley. There is question marks over Gibsons future, considering Fergie accepted a bid for him and he's been left off the tour, he obviously has no future here. Then we have Giggs who won't be playing two games a week and Anderson whos not had the greatest injury or fitness record.

It's obvious we need at least one more player there for cover, whether that player is Sniejder? Who knows? but we need someone.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
If he thinks he can soldier on with what he has when Gibson also goes. He will be proved very wrong. He simply doesn't have enough numbers.
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I can see him edging it out if he change formation to 4-2-3-1.


First team

---------------Fletcher-------Carrick-------------

Valencia-----------Rooney-----------------Nani

-------------------- Hernandez--------------------

Second team

-------------Jones-----------Park---------------

Cleverley-----------Anderson----------------Young

----------------------Berba------------------------

On the other hand it would be far from ideal.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Carrick
Fletcher
Giggs
Anderson
Park
Cleverly
Jones

More than enough.
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Jones is a defender, Park a winger. If we lost Carrick and Fletcher at the same time we'd be screwed.

Last season we could cover that loss with Gibson, Scholes and O'shea, all capable of acting as holding players. With what we have now we'd only have Jones.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Carrick
Fletcher
Giggs
Anderson
Park
Cleverly
Jones

More than enough.
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Quantity - yes. Quality - dont think so. There are too many question marks on these players.

If we are all honest, we know we really need at least one quality midfielder. But the longer this saga (and this thread) drags on, the less I want Sneijder.
 
devilish said:
I can see him edging it out if he change formation to 4-2-3-1.


First team

---------------Fletcher-------Carrick-------------

Valencia-----------Rooney-----------------Nani

-------------------- Hernandez--------------------

Second team

-------------Jones-----------Park---------------

Cleverley-----------Anderson----------------Young

----------------------Berba------------------------

On the other hand it would be far from ideal.
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Currently Fletcher is out of action. Lose Carrick too and you start having a big problem.
 
Escobar said:
Fletcher has a virus, Carrick has been inconsistent (he's been like a black box over the last 2 years), Anderson is up and down, Gibson is decent at most, Scholes is gone, Giggs is 37
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Exactly. We'd be playing with fire IMO. Even if Anderson and Cleverely stepped up. If we lost Carrick the way Fletcher has been out, we'd have a huge problem.
 
I keep saying this, Jones will get a fair number of games in midfield. He needs games, and won't get many as a centrehalf, unless there are a injury crisis among the current centrehalves.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
I keep saying this, Jones will get a fair number of games in midfield. He needs games, and won't get many as a centrehalf, unless there are a injury crisis among the current centrehalves.
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Well in the last 2 season we've had plenty of injuries amongst our center backs and fullbacks and one of our main holding midfielders missing. Jones wont be able to cover both the midfielders and center backs at the if the same occurs again.

I don't think it is wise for us to approach another season without any proper midfield alternative to Fletch in our squad. Especially when we've also lost Oshea, let go of Hagreaves and are losing Gibson. I mean we have Anderson,Cleverly and Giggs who can all cover for the loss of Scholes if we don't find the ideal replacement we want for him. Yet having only the inexperienced Jones to cover Fletcher and Carrick is simply a dangerous gamble.
 
It might be worth noting that last week SAF said that we were "absolutely not" interested in him and then this week he mentioned "it will be difficult to get him", i wonder what he will say next.

One thing for sure there is something going between Inter and us and also the Sneijder camp.
 
Escobar said:
If we spend 45m I hope its on a player who will last 8 years or so
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You don't think Sneijder can play until 35?

People seem to be assuming just because he's 27 that his career will be over in 2 or 3 years. I think £30-35m buying 6-8 years of a world class player in a position we're desperate for isn't the worst deal in the world. Sometimes you can't just look at sell-on value. We've got dozens of players for that purpose.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Well in the last 2 season we've had plenty of injuries amongst our center backs and fullbacks and one of our main holding midfielders missing. Jones wont be able to cover both the midfielders and center backs at the if the same occurs again.

I don't think it is wise for us to approach another season without any proper midfield alternative to Fletch in our squad. Especially when we've also lost Oshea, let go of Hagreaves and are losing Gibson. I mean we have Anderson,Cleverly and Giggs who can all cover for the loss of Scholes if we don't find the ideal replacement we want for him. Yet having only the inexperienced Jones to cover Fletcher and Carrick is simply a dangerous gamble.
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About as dangerous as a mild flu.
 
Having Jones covering for Fletcher and Carrick as the holding midfield role, why is that a gamble?

You mentioned the departure of Hargreaves. Is irrellevant, hasn't played for 3 years. O'Shea's departure makes little difference to our midfield, he's hardly played there the last couple of seasons.
 
Forgetting our best central midfielder though and a backup that had some experience.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Having Jones covering for Fletcher and Carrick as the holding midfield role, why is that a gamble?

You mentioned the departure of Hargreaves. Is irrellevant, hasn't played for 3 years. O'Shea's departure makes little difference to our midfield, he's hardly played there the last couple of seasons.
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Well, firstly because he's an inexperienced 19-year-old, secondly because if injuries hit the midfield at the same time Jones is required to help out in the back four (because, let's say, Ferdinand and the twins are injured), we're fecked.

People seem to forget that Jones is basically a centre-back and had one good season with Blackburn bloody Rovers. Hardly the answer to our problems in midfield.
 
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