We are an awfully coached team

Seven Seas Sardines said:
The amount of ridiculous PR exercises making the rounds is laughable. :lol:




Next up: "Sources at Old Trafford say Carricky has taught players everything he knows about football in a text and is flabbergasted they're not playing like prime Barcelona"
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This nowhere looks good on coaching staff and their ability to build a functioning team. It sounds like bunch of people trying to pull out something beyond their capabilities.
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
The amount of ridiculous PR exercises making the rounds is laughable. :lol:




Next up: "Sources at Old Trafford say Carricky has taught players everything he knows about football in a text and is flabbergasted they're not playing like prime Barcelona"
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I don't think anyone doubts that the coaches are working hard. It's a lack of ability/talent, not work ethic that is the problem with our coaches (although our players have the exact opposite problem).
 
Our coaches should have hired Neil Ashton or whatever for PR like Woodward. These quotes make them look worse.
 
I love how when something positive comes out, or somewhat positive comes out about United it's always a "PR Exercise" with you guys and all bad news is to be believed. Are you always this cynical?
 
Let me remind everyone.

This is Manchester United. One of the biggest football clubs on the planet, if not THE biggest club.

It should have the biggest and best management on the planet as well. No excuses.

It clearly hasn't. So the directors need to apply the same mentality to appointing a manager as they do when they buy players.

The management right now, SIMPLY ISNT GOOD ENOUGH. End Of.
 
Shark said:
Really can't wait for all of this to end. It's honestly on level terms with Moyes in terms of incompetence and lack of accountability. A bunch of rookies managing one of the biggest clubs in the world for the second time in under 10 years. You couldn't make it up.
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Absolutely. Sentimentality is our football club's Achilles' heel. Until we sort this mindset out, we won't compete head on with the very best.
 
hobbers said:
Mood not divided - yeh, all the players are equally depressed at being coached by a bargain basement coaching team.





:lol: Nothing positive comes out in moments of deep crises. Do you not understand what PR is?

You don't have to be cynical to see this for what it is.
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Seriously. All the good things came out at the same time after a painful loss, since when do we get a mood report?
 
hobbers said:
Mood not divided - yeh, all the players are equally depressed at being coached by a bargain basement coaching team.

:lol: Nothing positive comes out in moments of deep crises. Do you not understand what PR is?

You don't have to be cynical to see this for what it is.
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We are hardly in a deep crisis. Yes we are in a bad place right now, yes it's rather depressing watch the team play, yes the football can be dire at times.

But we aren't in free fall at the moment by any means. If this pattern continues, then west I agree we're in a crisis, but we aren't currently in a crisis. It can be a snowball effect and the weekend's result was knocking the snowball off the hill, it's now a moment of when we can get that snowball to melt, or it will continue to grow into an avalanche. Bit of a convoluted metaphor, but you catch my drift.
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
The amount of ridiculous PR exercises making the rounds is laughable. :lol:




Next up: "Sources at Old Trafford say Carricky has taught players everything he knows about football in a text and is flabbergasted they're not playing like prime Barcelona"
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We have bigger issues if they can't see a problem on coaching side. Bare minimum, come out and acknowledge we have a problem.
 
JPRouve said:
Seriously. All the good things came out at the same time after a painful loss, since when do we get a mood report?
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Good observation. Makes it obvious they are trying to spin the narrative this way as they have lost their credibility on the pitch.
 
Stobzilla said:
I see your Mourinho and raise you a Xavi who has much less experience than Ole:

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I was watching this yesterday and see the level of insight he gave compared to the talks about more running and being the fittest does not cost money. Ole should subscribe to his videos maybe :lol:
 
Laughable stuff coming out from the PR machine.

" You didn't see the graphite on the ground because it's not there! "
 
Jackal981 said:
I was watching this yesterday and see the level of insight he gave compared to the talks about more running and being the fittest does not cost money. Ole should subscribe to his videos maybe :lol:
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Isn’t that video just a long-winded way of saying “go out there an express yourself lads, this is Al Saad”?
 
If you lot are really putting in that much effort and we still look this shite, maybe it's time to pack it in fellas, old mate Ole included.
 
Those quotes are laughable.

Do you ever see any other club's coaches briefing to the press? They shouldn't need to tell the press how good they are and how hard they work. It should be obvious by watching us play, except it isn't and that's the problem.
 
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Revan said:
Who cares how hard-working they are? It is always more important to work smart, rather than hard. If they are not good enough to be top coaches right now (and there is no reason why they should be considering that they are all rookies), then it does not matter how much their work their bollocks off.
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Agreed.Put me in a United shirt tomorrow night and I will give it my best shot.I will bite the fffing ball if need be for the cause.It won’t matter though as I am 60 !
 
Flytan said:
Our coaches should have hired Neil Ashton or whatever for PR like Woodward. These quotes make them look worse.
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I said Mitten is part of their PR machine and this is what happened:
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I have no trouble believing the goal against Everton was the product of training-ground work, to be fair.

Just not a good look to come out and point to that one positive example in your favor while the negative column has ... pretty much every minute of every game that we don't have the ball :wenger:
 
Using our goal vs Everton as an excuse to prove we're properly coached is hilarious.
 
Rex Banner said:
Those quotes are laughable

Do you ever see any other club's coaches briefing to the press? They shouldn't need to tell the press how good they are and how hard they work. It should be obvious by watching us play, except it isn't and that's the problem.
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This is how you do it right to brief the press about the state and the mood of the team:

Of course he was sacked shortly after this, but that press conference became legendary.
 
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Ole and his team should rewatch the entire Villarreal match at OT, played right through us time after time, should've been a huge win for them and a second loss and 0 points in the CL for us.

There's a huge problem with the amount of goals we concede to even think about challenging and has nothing to do with Ronaldo. That Everton goal we conceded we've seen many times last season and we're shockingly vulnerable when taking our own corners. Players playing in stupid balls into areas we can't recover if it goes wrong. The manager needs to be instructing the players to hold a position but I don't think he even sees the danger.
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
I said Mitten is part of their PR machine and this is what happened:
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Too right as well!

The term "PR Machine" is thrown around way too much by the modern day fan. Any piece of news that doesn't follow their pre-conceived narrative and the journo is automatically branded as a "PR Machine" or on "their pay roll", it's boring, untrue and down right lazy by fans these days.

A lot of fans have their own minds made up, as it has been shown by you calling him as part of their "PR Machine" and won't listen to anything else.

I'd have blocked you as well!
 
UnitedSofa said:
Too right as well!

The term "PR Machine" is thrown around way too much by the modern day fan. Any piece of news that doesn't follow their pre-conceived narrative and the journo is automatically branded as a "PR Machine" or on "their pay roll", it's boring, untrue and down right lazy by fans these days.

A lot of fans have their own minds made up, as it has been shown by you calling him as part of their "PR Machine" and won't listen to anything else.

I'd have blocked you as well!
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I mean it's common knowledge reporters report and get favors depending on what they say and how they say it, so no, a PR machine is real. Why do you think all these leaks are happening right after he's finally under some deserved pressure?
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
The amount of ridiculous PR exercises making the rounds is laughable. :lol:




Next up: "Sources at Old Trafford say Carricky has taught players everything he knows about football in a text and is flabbergasted they're not playing like prime Barcelona"
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Now we know the problem. Sacrificing family and health for work is stupid and normally isnt sustainable. And weirdly such things usually come out from people not cut out for a job. If theyre doing good or extremely good, its not a sacrifice theyre making, just trading less time with their family for a better career. I dont see why they should feel like theyre sacrificing something. Time at the training ground is plenty enough for them to do something.
 
hobbers said:
Mitten is obviously in tit for tat relationships with people on the coaching staff, and presumably a player or two. The tat being that he'll put things out in press that they want put out, and that in his stories he will paint them in a favourable light. That's just how journalism works at the most basic level, and something every single journalist does.

Mitten must be a real snowflake to block someone for just pointing it out. Clearly suffering from cognitive dissonance about it.
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Absolutely. It's quite funny when these kinds of things are put out. I wonder how much he is getting paid to put these out. These are PR stuff no matter what anyone says.
It's quite ridiculously worded too.
 
Foxbatt said:
Absolutely. It's quite funny when these kinds of things are put out. I wonder how much he is getting paid to put these out. These are PR stuff no matter what anyone says.
It's quite ridiculously worded too.
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It is a twitter post. The currency is attention. If stuff is right or false doesn't really matter. Who knows, maybe what he heard from the staff is true, but, as many have already said, it doesn't really matter as long as the result is so underpar for so long. The journalist are in for attention. They couldn't care less what you think of them as long as they get the attention.

DreadnoughtRS88 said:
I suggest you avoid getting personal with me. Based on what I have read from you, there is nothing to indicate you can recognise a winner even if they paraded in your kitchen, let alone by reading posts from anonymous people in a forum.

Again, go back and read your arguments. One of them is that we should keep Ole in the job because people who work at least 40 hours a week have not yet started evaluating possible replacements. All your arguments are based on the idea that we have a bunch of useless pencil-pushers in the background, who have yet to look into available options, both now and in the summer, their demands, their contracts, etc.

The fact is, nothing is going to change in the summer in terms of availability of suitable managers (Tuchel, Klopp, Guardiola, Rogers, Pochettino... are all tied down and wouldn't coach us anyway. Rogers and Pochettino would consider us, but do we really want them?). So, we are left with Conte, Zidane, and Ten Haag as an exotic choice... two of whom are available now. So, what is the point of waiting and seeing another season flushed down the toilet and waiting for Ronaldo to be a year older?

Saying that Conte is in the mix because he is first and foremost available shows a real lack, a tragic lack of football knowledge. Conte is a top-level manager who's been successful at every job he held. He won the league with Ashley Young and Victor Moses at wing backs. His Italy was amazing to watch and he won the league with Chelsea playing some great football. Granted, he can be defensive, but at least there is a philosophy, a plan behind it and he is clearly a winner (haven't noticed that, have you?) He is volatile, but perhaps this club needs to stop being so nice and impotent - it's led us nowhere and that is definitely not our way.

There are rumours we will switch to a 3-4-1-2 against Atalanta and Liverpool. So, why not bring Conte in who's a specialist in that system rather than allowing Ole, who's only seen it on PES. to play it?
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I can only invite you to read my whole posts and not only the parts you can then go on a crusade against. I stated more than once - if there is a plan, fine, go execute it. If there isn't a plan, now is the time to create it. I don't know much about the abilities of the guys, I heard a few stories about Ed - I guess you too, did they fill you with confidence? I don't know their abilities or mentalities. But my feeling is, there isn't a contingency plan. And if there isn't - a plan should be done asap, an actual overtime request.

If you like Conte, fine, do it. I am not against him, haven't disregarded him. Again, read my posts and stop projecting your perception of the "typical Ole In guy" on me. Because I am not that person. I think, Conte could work and if he is the candidate who comes out on top after a thourough due dilligence, then be my guest. If he isn't, I don't see the point of bringing him in when we could just as well identify the best candidate and try to bring him in. I think, you are acting under the premise, that just bringing in another manager will lift us big time. It might, but maybe not as much as you think. What if the season still ends a tad disappointing? Again - I don't see the urgency right now. We are not seeing stuff on the pitch that is worse than what we have seen earlier. The results currently are an issue but I guess, this is something that can be brought under control. Use the time smartly to create a good plan for the next 2 to 4 years. Then execute it. All transformational periods cost energy, lets be smart. Act efficient.

If you think, there is a plan, fine. If there is, I hope it is good and I am looking forward to see it being executed.
 
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hobbers said:
Mitten is obviously in tit for tat relationships with people on the coaching staff, and presumably a player or two. The tat being that he'll put things out in press that they want put out, and that in his stories he will paint them in a favourable light. That's just how journalism works at the most basic level, and something every single journalist does.

Mitten must be a real snowflake to block someone for just pointing it out. Clearly suffering from cognitive dissonance about it.
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This. I've never seen a well-respected football journalist know so little about the actual game than him. Refuses to criticize or even come up with a decent argument. All he says is "it's not good enough", he is truly unbearable in the Athletic podcast, sadly, going on about some stadium he visited in 1985. I've never understood how anyone can like him so much or trust him so much. He's extremely tame in general. Oscar Wilde once said:
"Every effect that one produces gives one an enemy, to be popular one must be a mediocrity. " And I feel that's really fitting for him. Friends with everybody and never says anything that someone can hold against him. Maybe I would've done the same in his position, but it's incredibly boring and he just seems like that type of person who is blocking folks who disagree with his colorless statements.
 
I reckon Ole's tactical issue is clear, he wants to play in the mold of Sir Alex but with 4 strikers/attackers, which in an ideal world would be Greenwood, Rashford, Bruno and Ronaldo.

The problem is, when you look at Sir Alex's teams post the 4 4 2 era, we pretty much played either 4 3 3 or 4 2 3 1 (same as Ole) but with 3 attackers . In the 4 3 3 our succes came by having ronaldo, tevez and rooney taking the top attacking positions and then supplementing that with a functioning midfield e.g. carrick, scholes, fletcher for example. In the 4 2 3 1 used post ronaldo, you would have rooney in the 10/9 position, berbatov/van persie and Nani on the left being the main "attackers" with valencia, despite being a winger, clearly being very good defensively and looking to assist, or fletcher in place of him, and vice versa with park. The key point being 3 heavy attackers in either formation.

If Ole wants to play 4 2 3 1 with bruno (who is pretty much a 10/9 hybrid) the reality is he needs a more defensive minded winger. If he wants to play 4 3 3 , the reality is in a 3 pogba is the better cm (bruno the better 10) when supplemented with a b2b (mct) and holding/dm (matic/fred).

I do think pogba and bruno can play together in a 4 2 3 1, but you would need a defensive minded winger who can provide that extra defensive assurance, ideally on pogbas side. Which still goes back to having 3 attackers. Personally id switch to a 4 3 3 to control the midfield and let bruno and pogba fight it out to the death for the lcm position alongside mct and fred, and no I don't believe Ole has the tactical nous to play with 2 8s like a pep. To play with so many attackers you need to be extremely on point tactically which I don't think is in Ole's toolbox as a coach.
 
Mickson said:
This. I've never seen a well-respected football journalist know so little about the actual game than him. Refuses to criticize or even come up with a decent argument. All he says is "it's not good enough", he is truly unbearable in the Athletic podcast, sadly, going on about some stadium he visited in 1985. I've never understood how anyone can like him so much or trust him so much. He's extremely tame in general. Oscar Wilde once said:
"Every effect that one produces gives one an enemy, to be popular one must be a mediocrity. " And I feel that's really fitting for him. Friends with everybody and never says anything that someone can hold against him. Maybe I would've done the same in his position, but it's incredibly boring and he just seems like that type of person who is blocking folks who disagree with his colorless statements.
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I'd agree with that. Mitten obviously has his sources within the club but in terms of analysis/critique he's pretty mediocre. He essentially just serves as the club mouthpiece.

Saying that, I find the Athletic's coverage of United in general to be quite lacking. Lack of actual analysis and more reliance on club sources and the "feeling" around the club.
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
The amount of ridiculous PR exercises making the rounds is laughable. :lol:




Next up: "Sources at Old Trafford say Carricky has taught players everything he knows about football in a text and is flabbergasted they're not playing like prime Barcelona"
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We aren't doubting their commitment, just their quality.
 
flameinthesun said:
The problem is, when you look at Sir Alex's teams post the 4 4 2 era, we pretty much played either 4 3 3 or 4 2 3 1 (same as Ole) but with 3 attackers . In the 4 3 3 our succes came by having ronaldo, tevez and rooney taking the top attacking positions and then supplementing that with a functioning midfield e.g. carrick, scholes, fletcher for example. In the 4 2 3 1 used post ronaldo, you would have rooney in the 10/9 position, berbatov/van persie and Nani on the left being the main "attackers" with valencia, despite being a winger, clearly being very good defensively and looking to assist, or fletcher in place of him, and vice versa with park. The key point being 3 heavy attackers in either formation.
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Rooney and tevez worked like dogs and carrick, scholes, fletcher are miles better than mcfred with pogba, plus we also had park. So in comparison we have a weaker central midfield and forwards who don't work as hard (except for cavani, but he's old so he can't do it every game).
 
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