Wayne Rooney's Salary

MDFC Manager said:
A working professional getting judged on the amount of wages he makes... Such a shocking concept:wenger:
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As others already said, Rooney is doing well as marketable poster boy for the club globally. So his wage can be justified as some sort of club worker than purely footballer.

However, this is very wrong for a football club to sacrifice the on pitch performance for marketing purpose. We're trying to emulate Real Madrid when they offloaded former icons for new poster boys. Real was able to get first Galatico built, then in Perez's return they were able to transit smoothly by getting Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, Bale, James, Isco... We however lack the pulling power for the very top names, so ended up with unpopular, young, less attractive, not up to task yet poster boys: Falcao, Di Maria, Mata, Memphis, Martial,... If we had been able to sign Ronaldo couple years earlier, Bale, Neymar, Muller... and they perform then Rooney time would have been numbered. We didn't, so here we either have to wait for Martial, Rashford to grow their reputation on the international term or continue seeking for a new poster boy while keep shoehorning Rooney the footballer.
 
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ti vu said:
As others already said, Rooney is doing well as marketable poster boy for the club globally. So his wage can be justified as some sort of club worker.

However, this is very wrong for a football club to sacrifice the on pitch performance for marketing purpose. We're trying to emulate Real Madrid when they're offloading former icon with new poster boys. Real was able to get first Galatico built then in Perez's return! they were able to get Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, Bale, James, Isco... We however lack the pulling power for the very top so ended up with unpopular, young, less attractive, not up to task yet poster boys: Falcao, Di Maria, Mata, Memphis, Martial,... If we had been able to sign Bale, Neymar, Muller... and they perform then Rooney time would have been numbered. We didn't so we either have to wait for Martial, Rashford to grow their reputation on the international term or continue seeking for a new poster boy while keep shoehorning Rooney the footballer.
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The marketing angle is a red herring. There's any number of players we could sign who'd be decent on the pitch and be just as marketable.
 
Agree with the OP. It's ridiculous how much his salary is brought up and used against him.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Like I said, get over it. You don't pay him, and as the OP pointed out, he makes the club loads of money.
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What difference does it make whether or not I pay him?

I'm glad he makes us lots of money, because he sure as hell isn't contributing to our winning of titles. Not anymore.
 
rcoobc said:
Firstly, who says Rooney is generating a profit for the club? The clubs value in the stock market has plummeted in the last few years. When we tied Rooney to that contract, he was one of the most important players here and Chelsea were after him for a lot of money.
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If you just look at Man United's stock, it has been pretty good especially as of late. In any case, it's not like Rooney is the sole reason for the stock market rising or falling.

Rado_N said:
So you started a thread to talk about something you want people to stop talking about?

I'm not sure you thought this through.
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I started this thread to discuss why he gets paid so people don't talk about it in the context of criticizing him. In all honesty, I think this is something many people didn't know about.

Smores said:
We're a football club
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I'm sorry but we are more than a football club. We're massive business with investments.


Kag said:
Wayne Rooney is paid in line with the best players in the world. People like Messi and Ronaldo. He isn't one of these players. Surely you can see there's a problem right there?
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He is not on the same level on the pitch, but of the pitch Rooney, Ronaldo and Messi pretty much are (or at least were) in terms of their brand names etc. Just look at the FIFA video games. Rooney's overall skill level is usually very close to that of Ronaldo and Messi's. Even they know how marketable Rooney is.


Born2Lose said:
Because the club is run by people like the original poster who don't think that a person's salary should be based on merit.

There's nobody in either Bayern Munich or Atletico Madrid's squad that earns as much as Rooney does, Kane is going to get his wage doubled to £100,000 supposedly and Vardy's new contract was worth £80,000. Alexis Sanchez and Ozil combined earn less than Rooney does.

I genuinely don't understand how a fan of the club cannot be outraged at how much he gets paid and his lack or professionalism in earning it.
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First of all, I am not supporting or condoning this salary. I am just pointing out the motive for paying Rooney this much money.

If the club was actually paying this money for his performance on the pitch, with no return, I would be outraged like any other fan. The fact is our club has employed some of the best businessmen in the world and I have a feeling they'd have crunched enough numbers to see that they get a decent return on him even with the salary they pay him.

Once again, I don't even know if we do or do not make a profit. There's no way for any of us to know, but just knowing it's a business decision makes me not care about how much he earns.

And so with all that, criticizing him for his salary does not make sense. There are many other valid reason to criticize him.
 
Rado_N said:
Whether you like it or not Rooney is marketable. It's why Nike continue to pay him millions, and it was only 6 months ago there was talk of Adidas trying to get him to switch.
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Definitely. There's no doubt that Rooney is extremely marketable and has been for a long time.

At the same, I do think that it's up to the club to market new stars by A) obviously being successful and B) pushing forth new stars in that success story (like Martial/Shaw).
 
Nuts said:
The marketing angle is a red herring. There's any number of players we could sign who'd be decent on the pitch and be just as marketable.
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Please show some example. I agree with other here Rooney is being the most marketable face of this club. There are very few players that can match his marketability. Those players are not easy to obtain. People seem to underestimate Rooney money making power for the club.

I am not agreeing with the way this club being run though. I am one of those always want the Glazers to get out even though they're not as bad as other owners. Glazers are businessmen and run the club as businessmen do. Just like Perez, there are often tangibles between football side and business side (Rooney is one of this) that leads to compromise on football performance going with this kind of model.
 
shamans said:
I'm sorry but we are more than a football club. We're massive business with investments.
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And we are a football club. Who needs footballing return from their players and not just financial return.

shamans said:
He is not on the same level on the pitch, but of the pitch Rooney, Ronaldo and Messi pretty much are (or at least were) in terms of their brand names etc. Just look at the FIFA video games. Rooney's overall skill level is usually very close to that of Ronaldo and Messi's. Even they know how marketable Rooney is.
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That's the problem. Being marketable is not enough. For a football contract to be sound financially for a football club the professional/player/asset has to be worth it from a financial perspective and from a footballing perspective. Rooney is rubbish relative to his pay so we've completely failed on that account with this contract.
 
shamans said:
If you just look at Man United's stock, it has been pretty good especially as of late. In any case, it's not like Rooney is the sole reason for the stock market rising or falling.



I started this thread to discuss why he gets paid so people don't talk about it in the context of criticizing him. In all honesty, I think this is something many people didn't know about.



I'm sorry but we are more than a football club. We're massive business with investments.




He is not on the same level on the pitch, but of the pitch Rooney, Ronaldo and Messi pretty much are (or at least were) in terms of their brand names etc. Just look at the FIFA video games. Rooney's overall skill level is usually very close to that of Ronaldo and Messi's. Even they know how marketable Rooney is.





First of all, I am not supporting or condoning this salary. I am just pointing out the motive for paying Rooney this much money.

If the club was actually paying this money for his performance on the pitch, with no return, I would be outraged like any other fan. The fact is our club has employed some of the best businessmen in the world and I have a feeling they'd have crunched enough numbers to see that they get a decent return on him even with the salary they pay him.

Once again, I don't even know if we do or do not make a profit. There's no way for any of us to know, but just knowing it's a business decision makes me not care about how much he earns.

And so with all that, criticizing him for his salary does not make sense. There are many other valid reason to criticize him.
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Sorry but his salary is absolutely obscene so I'll criticise it as much as I like.

United owe a lot to Ferguson, who was good at knowing when to show over-earning has-beens the door and would, I'm sure, have found a way to dispose of Rooney by now.

All your talk of FIFA games is just nonsense. United wouldn't be in any position to be attractive to such brands if it wasn't for sustained success on the pitch over many years (again, see above on SAF) and keeping Rooney, caving to his wage demands and indulging him isn't a good way of getting the club to be successful again.

We're not a brand and we're not here to provide a platform to earn Wayne and Stretford even more money.
 
We survived after selling Ronaldo, we actually improved in terms of image, signing top sponsors, and other things, I am not sure why do some insist Wayne Rooney is some extraordinary player to have in your squad in terms of image value. Manchester United made him our top player and a poster boy, if they want they could make any player in our squad marketable, that's what clubs in general do. Would he be as marketable if he played for AC Milan, even if he scored more goals for them? Of course not, because Manchester United are still one of the best and richest clubs in the world despite the performances on the pitch.
They wanted to do the same with di Maria, and tbf he did sell lot of shirts and I am pretty sure was good in terms of marketing despite being ugly as feck, especially when his performances at the start were impressive, but we decided performances on the pitch were more important(and benched him for far inferior players, but that's another story), so his image probably faded. There were also reports at start of the season that both Memphis and Bastian sold more shirts than Rooney, so he is obviously not that important. I wouldn't be surprised if Martial reaches his numbers too pretty soon.

I reckon if we sign any top player next season, he could easily surpass him in terms of sponsors income if our club decide to make that player our poster boy. Sign Pogba and he will easily become our most marketable player in the squad(not that I am big fan, just giving an example).
 
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Nuts said:
Sorry but his salary is absolutely obscene so I'll criticise it as much as I like.

United owe a lot to Ferguson, who was good at knowing when to show over-earning has-beens the door and would, I'm sure, have found a way to dispose of Rooney by now.

All your talk of FIFA games is just nonsense. United wouldn't be in any position to be attractive to such brands if it wasn't for sustained success on the pitch over many years (again, see above on SAF) and keeping Rooney, caving to his wage demands and indulging him isn't a good way of getting the club to be successful again.

We're not a brand and we're not here to provide a platform to earn Wayne and Stretford even more money.
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You missed the point. OP and some here are in no way agree to the way the club running/ using Rooney.

OP and some here tried to explain, why this club is running on bad terms. We're running like a brand than a football club. We're market ourselves as the biggest financial club (not much major trophies in recent year to show against Barcelona or Madrid or Bayern). The Glazers know they have to sustain the performance to a certain level, but they're clueless so far in how to run football club properly. We're like a bad mixture on the football side planning (at least on first team). The Glazers and their henchmen as businessmen wouldn't risk losing cash cow like Rooney without a replacement in place.

Ultimately, the Glazers are still the stumbling block for this club to progress as fast as club like Barcelona and Bayern. We lack the pulling power of Real Madrid for top shiny players, so we also behind behind Real Madrid. We're also losing to pure plastic clubs who care less about direct profit from the club (they take profit marketing their mother's corporations). Or club with clear plan like Athletico Madrid, Juventus... (those runs like we used to) without the tangle of businessmen owner.

Yes the Glazers owes SaF much for this business plan of their. So there is within possibility, they may listen to his advice on whether LVG would stay another year and continue to groom Giggs. They tried their best to go with SAF and had a marketing plan for the Co92, has Giggs able to succeed LVG.
 
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Justifying his wages on the basis of his marketability is merely making massive excuses for him.

For that money, it should be an expectation to be a very marketable player AND be one of the best players in the world.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Justifying his wages on the basis of his marketability is merely making massive excuses for him.

For that money, it should be an expectation to be a very marketable player AND be one of the best players in the world.
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That's why we have been trying to sign biggest names these past few years to replace Rooney! See how businessmen run football club. As no replacement is obtained, Rooney's kept being shoehorned around. If Bale was signed on Moyes' summer, there was a chance Rooney would not have got this fat contract and would have already been shipped out.
 
The notion that proper world class players, Aguero, neymar, lewandowski, suarez , bale, benzema etc etc earn less than rooney is sickening, all those names I mentioned are far more marketable than rooney too, so why aren't they on a similar wage?

I couldn't careless how much he earns the club, in what way does that translate to his efforts on the pitch? He's paid to play football, score goals and win us games. He does none of these.

We could probably offer Reus and griezmann 150k a week equalling Rooneys wage and they'd sign.
 
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The notion that proper world class players, Aguero, neymar, lewandowski, suarez , bale, benzema etc etc earn less than rooney is sickening, I couldn't careless how much he earns the club away from actually playing the game.

He's paid to play football, score goals and win us games. He does none of these.

We could probably offer Reus and griezmann 150k a week equalling Rooneys wage and they'd sign.
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Sadly, club being run by business men. Seems like no one is excusing or agreeing. Just try to explain the sad truth.

For those who say we survived Ronaldo selling, that's because we have Mr England Rooney as our next best thing back then. And he's still here today. Thing only got complicated when we couldn't create a smooth transition to the next poster boy after Rooney.

We as outsiders don't know the figures that Rooney brings and how they (club financial experts) calculate the potential replacement. Reus is the real Dortmund poster boy and he's the last one they would let go. We don't know how marketable Griezman on the grand scale. Getting Griezman is not necessarily the end for Rooney if Griezman can't overtake Rooney marketing revenue.
 
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I'm amazed that he is still marketable. How many scandals and subpar performances does it take for one man to become unmarketable in this era.

What young kid in their right mind is going to buy a Rooney shirt this summer.

He lost his FIFA cover deal for a reason. He's shit.
 
ti vu said:
That's why we have been trying to sign biggest names these past few years to replace Rooney! See how businessmen run football club. As no replacement is obtained, Rooney's kept being shoehorned around. If Bale was signed on Moyes' summer, there was a chance Rooney would not have got this fat contract and would have already been shipped out.
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Hard to disagree with that
 
Considering the other players in that wage bracket are the world's best, it's more than fair that he is criticised for not playing up to that standard. In fact he has played for below that standard.
 
I blame the millions of fans in Asia who still think Rooney is a great player.
 
ti vu said:
That's why we have been trying to sign biggest names these past few years to replace Rooney! See how businessmen run football club. As no replacement is obtained, Rooney's kept being shoehorned around. If Bale was signed on Moyes' summer, there was a chance Rooney would not have got this fat contract and would have already been shipped out.
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Perfect time for Griezmann then.
 
horsechoker said:
Considering the other players in that wage bracket are the world's best, it's more than fair that he is criticised for not playing up to that standard. In fact he has played for below that standard.
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I don't think OP disagree with that. OP as I see, just want to stop the link between Rooney's and his performance discussion. People know fully well Rooney's no where PL best players in this shit season. Rooney should be criticized for his performance only. The comparison with top players on same wage bracket should not be involved since Rooney does the marketing job well to earn his wage. Other top players do a better job, but Rooney doesn't do badly in this aspect.
amolbhatia50k said:
Perfect time for Griezmann then.
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Need matchgoing fans have their kids with banners wanting Griezman, like some used to have before we signed Rooney.

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Amar__ said:
We survived after selling Ronaldo, we actually improved in terms of image, signing top sponsors, and other things, I am not sure why do some insist Wayne Rooney is some extraordinary player to have in your squad in terms of image value. Manchester United made him our top player and a poster boy, if they want they could make any player in our squad marketable, that's what clubs in general do. Would he be as marketable if he played for AC Milan, even if he scored more goals for them? Of course not, because Manchester United are still one of the best and richest clubs in the world despite the performances on the pitch.
They wanted to do the same with di Maria, and tbf he did sell lot of shirts and I am pretty sure was good in terms of marketing despite being ugly as feck, especially when his performances at the start were impressive, but we decided performances on the pitch were more important(and benched him for far inferior players, but that's another story), so his image probably faded. There were also reports at start of the season that both Memphis and Bastian sold more shirts than Rooney, so he is obviously not that important. I wouldn't be surprised if Martial reaches his numbers too pretty soon.

I reckon if we sign any top player next season, he could easily surpass him in terms of sponsors income if our club decide to make that player our poster boy. Sign Pogba and he will easily become our most marketable player in the squad(not that I am big fan, just giving an example).
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That's the thing, we've lost too many star players over the years and he's the only one left from Fergies United. People recognise him as United biggest star (although he's not been United best player for a long, long time) since all the other stars (VDS, Rio, Vida, Giggs, Scholes, Evra, RVP etc) left and he's only true link to the past glory days. I know it's stupid but club makes money from it so they'll continue persisting with him as long as people think of him when you say United.

I think United should make Martial as poster boy, he's already our best outfield player and he's young enough to be one for a longer period. Or buy some young star in the making (Pogba, Griezmann...) and make him a poster boy. Nowdays Rooney gets easy ride while playing well below any decent standard since he's money cow to the club and making someone else poster boy would ease his way out of the club.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Like I said, get over it. You don't pay him, and as the OP pointed out, he makes the club loads of money.
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Well we do pay him. Without the fans there's no TV money, gate receipts or merchandise. A players wage hinges entirely on the cash fans are willing to spend(unless there's a billionaire funding the whole thing).

If we get it right on the pitch there'll be future icons who we can make a bunch of money off. If that's the goal here.
 
Dobbs said:
Well we do pay him. Without the fans there's no TV money, gate receipts or merchandise. A players wage hinges entirely on the cash fans are willing to spend(unless there's a billionaire funding the whole thing).

If we get it right on the pitch there'll be future icons who we can make a bunch of money off. If that's the goal here.
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What you said is nothing wrong. However, problem as explained is much harder to solve. We need luck getting the right manager (or the advisors to do the job well and get the right one). We need luck getting the right players that can perform and be marketable as the same time. So far we got none going our way.

The dream scenario, Glazers sold out and we're back run like a regular club (ideally like Bayern system) so we run thing with healthier politic involved when it comes football issue.
 
Rooney's pay was what the club thought he was worth at the time, rightly or wrongly, what's the point in discussing now, it's not like he's just been given a new deal. I've even seen some cretins on here trying to lump some of the blame for his pay onto LVG.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
And we are a football club. Who needs footballing return from their players and not just financial return.


That's the problem. Being marketable is not enough. For a football contract to be sound financially for a football club the professional/player/asset has to be worth it from a financial perspective and from a footballing perspective. Rooney is rubbish relative to his pay so we've completely failed on that account with this contract.
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But once again I am not saying we have succeeded (or failed). I just think it is unrelated to his on pitch performance, that's all.
 
Creates a thread called "Wayne Rooney's Salary" with the opening line:
"I really don't understand why people keep bringing up his 300k or whatever salary again and again." :lol:
 
Kag said:
What difference does it make whether or not I pay him?

I'm glad he makes us lots of money, because he sure as hell isn't contributing to our winning of titles. Not anymore.
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The way some of you go on is as if the moneys coming out your accounts.

It takes more than one player to win a title. Plus, Rooney already won 5 titles, in which he contributed greatly to all of them. When anyone else in our squad does that, then they can maybe think about being on the money Rooney's on.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
The way some of you go on is as if the moneys coming out your accounts.

It takes more than one player to win a title. Plus, Rooney already won 5 titles, in which he contributed greatly to all of them. When anyone else in our squad does that, then they can maybe think about being on the money Rooney's on.
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That's absolute madness.

So because he contributed to titles a long time ago, because his contribution even in 2013 wasn't that great as I remember, he deserves to make loads more than anyone else? Even if he's clearly being outperformed?

It's 2016, we should be looking at what he offers us in the here and now, not what he gave us years ago. He's not good enough for us up front anymore and he's never been good enough for us in midfield. The fact he was great in 2010 isn't relevant anymore.
 
devilish said:
Does he generate so much money? He's ugly, he's hardly talented anymore and he can't string 2 sentences together. We can replace him with a chimp and no one would barely notice
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The chimp would have a better first touch
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
The way some of you go on is as if the moneys coming out your accounts.

It takes more than one player to win a title. Plus, Rooney already won 5 titles, in which he contributed greatly to all of them. When anyone else in our squad does that, then they can maybe think about being on the money Rooney's on.
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Past tense. I'm sure fans appreciate his contributions in the past, of which he was always richly rewarded financially. The was past, this is present! By your reasoning, maybe we should have kept Wes Brown and O'Shea too, they too have greatly contributed to our past successes.

I don't get what you mean by "When anyone else in our squad does that, then they can maybe think about being on the money Rooney's on". It's almost like his past achievement is the excuse for his high wages and nothing to do with his current contributions. It's like we are the MLS, a retirement home for veterans!
 
Rooney has a contract till the summer of 2019. Player contracts do not break. Rooney will be in the team till 2019, perhaps longer. That's how player contracts work.
 
A few people have posted the same message, but I'll just quote the one I just found:

Rado_N said:
Whether you like it or not Rooney is marketable. It's why Nike continue to pay him millions, and it was only 6 months ago there was talk of Adidas trying to get him to switch.
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/end thread. He may not deserve that amount for his football impact at the moment, but he certainly deserves it giving the brand he's brought/bringing to us.
 
nick2004 said:
Rooney has a contract till the summer of 2019. Player contracts do not break. Rooney will be in the team till 2019, perhaps longer. That's how player contracts work.
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nonsense. RVP was kicked out the door, and by 2019 Rooney will barely be able to walk quickly
 
shamans said:
I really don't understand why people keep bringing up his 300k or whatever salary again and again. Whether he is past it or not should have nothing to do with his salary.

From what I have read, which makes a lot of sense, is that Rooney's salary is this high not because of his performance as a player but because of the Wayne Rooney brand name that generates so much profit for the club.

His salary is obviously a business decision. The club sees profit in it which is why they pay him that much -- not because he is scoring goals like Suarez.

Please stop mentioning his salary when you criticize him. It just makes no sense.
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What's more accurate to assert is that at the time United agreed to the new Rooney contract for 300k/week that the club clearly believed he was worth it then. Whether the club continues to see it that way is an open question. Maybe, but maybe not.

Mentioning Rooney's salary is perfectly appropriate. Questions such as "Did Rooney earn the $300,000 he earned last week." is always appropriate. It's reasonable to reply that every football has a bad week here and there and I accept that. So let's ask this: Has Rooney earned the 15.6m he's earned over the last 52 weeks? IF we are to judge by his performances on the pitch alone, clearly not. But if he's sold 15.6m million worth of shirts or in some other way generated 15.6m for the club, perhaps so. Perhaps.

One also has to look into the opportunity cost of that 15.6m (300k/week x 52 weeks) and ask whether United could have gone deeper into the CL and challenged for a EPL trophy had we spent the same outlay on 1 or 2 other players of proper quality. The answer is clearly yes.
 
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One also has to look into the opportunity cost of that 15.6m (300k/week x 52 weeks) and ask whether United could have gone deeper into the CL and challenged for a EPL trophy had we spent the same outlay on 1 or 2 other players of proper quality. The answer is clearly yes.
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ooh, interesting angle
 
Spock said:
What's more accurate to assert is that at the time United agreed to the new Rooney contract for 300k/week that the club clearly believed he was worth it then. Whether the club continues to see it that way is an open question. Maybe, but maybe not.

Mentioning Rooney's salary is perfectly appropriate. Questions such as "Did Rooney earn the $300,000 he earned last week." is always appropriate. It's reasonable to reply that every football has a bad week here and there and I accept that. So let's ask this: Has Rooney earned the 15.6m he's earned over the last 52 weeks? IF we are to judge by his performances on the pitch alone, clearly not. But if he's sold 15.6m million worth of shirts or in some other way generated 15.6m for the club, perhaps so. Perhaps.

One also has to look into the opportunity cost of that 15.6m (300k/week x 52 weeks) and ask whether United could have gone deeper into the CL and challenged for a EPL trophy had we spent the same outlay on 1 or 2 other players of proper quality. The answer is clearly yes.
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Here lies the problem with this club being run by businessmen (already stated earlier in the thread). They/the Glazers and their henchmen know we need some success on the pitch to maintain the cash flow. However, they don't really know how to run a football club. They heavily relied on SAF to get the football side running. And since he retired, they had been clueless how to run the football side. We ended up running around shouting we had much money to spend every transfer window, but had attracted zero prime/ working top players to show and having quite some bad new signings on our book! Some of the bad new signing should have been the new poster boys, replacements for Rooney, but didn't work out. It's not like we did an old Arsenal and try not to spend in the transfer market here. It's simply the case that: As we couldn't find the new poster boy, Rooney stayed.

The below are last year articles, but seems like it need to be brought up as people tried not to understand Rooney simply up there as one of the most marketability footballers (mind boggling, but somehow he is despite being very bad for few years now) Businessmen don't throw away the cash cow until they can get the worthy replacement. They do actively look for the replacements. It's no use to use the wage to bash Rooney when it's not his job to look for his marketable replacements. Blame this on people who run the club this way and their inability to replace Rooney's marketability even though we're financially not shy to break the bank for these kind of signings!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ead-Wayne-Rooney-Gareth-Bale-Eden-Hazard.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-of-war-between-nike-and-adidas-a6717561.html

Rooney is deserved the criticism for not up to the standard of a United player, the United captain standard... but he is not deserved to be criticized not up to 300k a week brand standard. Every decent business man understands how good Rooney brand is (not just about selling shirts). As sad as this sounds for a football club to be run like an financial institution, it's unfair to use the wage against Rooney. Find the true culprit.
 
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