Wayne Rooney's Salary

devilish said:
If that's the case then we might employ Mickey Mouse and use him as our poster boy. Surely he's more marketable then Rooney.

That's the problem with this club. They think that the vast majority of their fans are stupid
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Rooney is still a big deal in terms of what he has achieved and because of that he is recognised world wide. Better players doesn't mean better marketability.

If you compare Eddie Redmayne and Arnold Schwarzenegger, Redmayne is a way better actor, younger, fitter and even has an academy award. Whereas Arnold is past it, fat, couldn't act even before and is old. Yet a product would probably sell more if it has Arnold's face than it will if it has Redmayne's. It's not fair maybe but that's how it is.

Whatever you claim to know about marketability isn't true. Rooney still is very marketable and that can't be recreated by de gea or Smalling yet.
 
Talk is cheap to be fair. If Adidas had actually made a move it would mean something, but they didnt.

His other endorsements are only evidence of the same thing as his current contract with us: that he was given massive deals at a time when he was United's and England's best player, and that those deals have not expired.

He is still marketable, clearly. But as his footballing power wanes (pardon the pun) so will his marketability. If things continue as they are for him sponsors will look elsewhere as his deals expire.
 
I'm just thinking how ironic it is that we've become utter shite, but our Wayne no longer has a problem with our ambitions, and it has become starting Rooney that actually shows a lack of ambition.
 
prath92 said:
Rooney is still a big deal in terms of what he has achieved and because of that he is recognised world wide. Better players doesn't mean better marketability.

If you compare Eddie Redmayne and Arnold Schwarzenegger, Redmayne is a way better actor, younger, fitter and even has an academy award. Whereas Arnold is past it, fat, couldn't act even before and is old. Yet a product would probably sell more if it has Arnold's face than it will if it has Redmayne's. It's not fair maybe but that's how it is.

Whatever you claim to know about marketability isn't true. Rooney still is very marketable and that can't be recreated by de gea or Smalling yet.
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As a person who lived outside Britain for most of his life I can assure you its not the case. Rooney is for the neutrals an overrated player playing for an overrated national team + a top side whose struggling massively. In terms of poster boys its a matter (at least with neutrals) about who screams the most and whose got the most attractive package. That's why Ronaldo is the top of the range at the moment. He's a fantastic player, he's got personality and he's attractive. Rooney on the other hand has been out of the Ballon d'or contention since forever and his performance in the CL and the EPL had been disappointing. In terms of personality/attractiveness he's got the personality of Paul Scholes and the physical attractiveness of Fellaini. If Rooney lose up his striker's role with England then he's done.

Id say Smalling would soon overtake him in terms of the local pool while DDG (he's Spanish and Spain is doing very well at national front) would be a better poster boy then him at an international scene
 
Adebesi said:
Talk is cheap to be fair. If Adidas had actually made a move it would mean something, but they didnt.

His other endorsements are only evidence of the same thing as his current contract with us: that he was given massive deals at a time when he was United's and England's best player, and that those deals have not expired.

He is still marketable, clearly. But as his footballing power wanes (pardon the pun) so will his marketability. If things continue as they are for him sponsors will look elsewhere as his deals expire.
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He's marketable because the United marketing machine is backing him. If he ends up not leading England's front line next summer then he's as good as done for
 
shamans said:
Rooney's salary is this high because of the Wayne Rooney brand name that generates so much profit for the club.
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You can't have a big money making brand name that people rarely get to see if he didn't start.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
So we either have a floating salary or yearly contracts for all the players?
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Neither. We just become far more responsible when offering new contracts. There will always be risk in offering lengthy contracts but provided these risks are calculated then no club should end up in a situation when for the full duration of a 5.5 year contract you have someone being paid several times more than their contribution on the pitch. With older player's who've played a lot of Football and already shown signs of decline, you offer a 2 or 3 year contract. With younger player's who have shown enough to suggest confidently that their contribution is going to only increase, you can offer 5 or 6 year contracts.

Any idiot would realise that the deal that should have been signed under Moyes if we decided we wanted to keep him should have been a 3.5 year deal ending next Summer. In hindsight it would still have been a poor choice, but you could at least see some sense with the gamble.

ZupZup said:
As I said, it would only have a negative impact on squad quality if we were operating near our maximum salary budget and were prevented from strengthening due to wage restrictions. This is quite obviously not the case at the moment and not likely to be the case in the near future given how low our salary to turnover ratio is.

Squad morale? That's not really based on any evidence. Do you actually think Rooney's fellow team members are suffering low morale due to his salary? I doubt they give it a second thought to be honest... I don't think they post on the Caf.
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Our 2014 salary bill was £215m against a turnover of £433m. Our 2015 salary bill was £203m against a turnover of £395m. Given that our club likes to operate at a 50% wage-turnover level I'd say we've been sailing close to the wind the last couple of seasons (49.65% in 2014 / 51.39% in 2015). There is a possibility that this has impacted on signings (although as you suggest I'd like to think this is likely to come down for next season).

As I said though you can't have the quality of squad comparable to the best 4-5 teams in the world when you're wasting large portions of salary for the duration of a 5.5 year contract. Likewise this Summer for example we may sign a few player's and hit a level where the board feel investing more in our wage bill wouldn't be prudent.

In terms of morale Footballers are just humans. If my colleague was being paid double, triple or quadruple my salary and my contributions were objectively much higher then I'd have every reason to feel annoyed, irritated and ultimately under-valued by the company. I've seen businesses where somewhat incompetent members of staff are employed at a undeservedly high salary for whatever reason (relationship with one of the owners for example) and it really does have a negative impact on morale.
 
finneh said:
Our 2014 salary bill was £215m against a turnover of £433m. Our 2015 salary bill was £203m against a turnover of £395m. Given that our club likes to operate at a 50% wage-turnover level I'd say we've been sailing close to the wind the last couple of seasons (49.65% in 2014 / 51.39% in 2015). There is a possibility that this has impacted on signings (although as you suggest I'd like to think this is likely to come down for next season).

As I said though you can't have the quality of squad comparable to the best 4-5 teams in the world when you're wasting large portions of salary for the duration of a 5.5 year contract. Likewise this Summer for example we may sign a few player's and hit a level where the board feel investing more in our wage bill wouldn't be prudent.

In terms of morale Footballers are just humans. If my colleague was being paid double, triple or quadruple my salary and my contributions were objectively much higher then I'd have every reason to feel annoyed, irritated and ultimately under-valued by the company. I've seen businesses where somewhat incompetent members of staff are employed at a undeservedly high salary for whatever reason (relationship with one of the owners for example) and it really does have a negative impact on morale.
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Maybe in the past you could argue that our salary bill was close to 50% but when that's lower than any of our rivals... it has not been an issue. It didn't stop us taking Falcao on a high salary and since then, the salary bill has gone down and revenues are going up and expected to surpass £500m this year. Currently, Rooney's wages are simply not a financial issue at all... and surely any debate regarding the negative impact of his salary can only focus on the present.

Again, the morale thing... you are talking hypothetically and in no way does what you have said compare well with the situation at United. The squad is quite young and as hard as it may be to believe, Rooney has a lot of respect from younger players in the squad who look up to him for all that he has achieved. The idea that the players are feeling disgruntled about his salary and suffering morale issues because of it is laughable really.
 
His salary itself is not the issue, but rather what it represents.

For the same level of salary(Except for the retirement leagues), one expects genuine quality . Ronaldo and Messi are on similar kind of wages, but no one ever bats an eyelid about it, because they perform at the the very top level consistently. Those two are arguably in the top 5 of all time based on their recent performances, while Rooney is unarguably not in the top 5 players in this league for years now. The fact that United have paid such wages(and we arent the only club with long serving stalwarts) just shows how poor our planning has been. We gave him that deal when backed into a corner, but it was still a ridiculous deal at the time.

I also thing people underestimate how important the United machine is to Rooney's popularity. Is it any coincidence that the two most popular footballers in the last two decades made their name at United? United can make many a player a star.

Another huge problem with Rooney's wages is the status it has given him in the team. He has become undroppable, even when playing appallingly bad. Dropping him leads to media hysteria.

His wages also mean that he has become a noose around the clubs neck. No one else would be stupid enough to give him such wages, thus our opportunity to move him on is very little.
 
I don't think people realise it may not be as easy for the club to hold many players on Wayne Rooney type contracts. IIRC Messi is on like 250k and Neymar is on like 80k. But we need top players that are worth the massive wages but can we really get them with Rooney still here? Can you imagine a United where Rooney isn't the top dog? As long as he is the top dog, we will not win anything. Rooney will always be a hindrance because of his immovable status.
 
I think he's done at top level. Send him on a long boat to China.
 
ZupZup said:
Maybe in the past you could argue that our salary bill was close to 50% but when that's lower than any of our rivals... it has not been an issue. It didn't stop us taking Falcao on a high salary and since then, the salary bill has gone down and revenues are going up and expected to surpass £500m this year. Currently, Rooney's wages are simply not a financial issue at all... and surely any debate regarding the negative impact of his salary can only focus on the present.

Again, the morale thing... you are talking hypothetically and in no way does what you have said compare well with the situation at United. The squad is quite young and as hard as it may be to believe, Rooney has a lot of respect from younger players in the squad who look up to him for all that he has achieved. The idea that the players are feeling disgruntled about his salary and suffering morale issues because of it is laughable really.
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The salary I posted for that year was inclusive of Falcao's salary, so in truth we don't know whether we had to make the decision between Falcao and A.N. Other as we were restricted by our self imposed 50% limit. Of course you could argue that we could go up to 60 or 70% as a ratio, but as a club we've never done this and have tried wherever possible to stick to it.

The point is simple though: we have a fixed amount of money as a club and over-paying £10m per season too much into Rooney's pocket means over a 5.5 year period we are £55m down. This £55m could be used for any number of things: signing a world class player, paying the salary of a world class player for 5-10 years, paying the debt down to put us in a better position in the future, invested into better facilities. Whatever we could do with that significant sum of money is going to be far more helpful to the club that overpaying a player by £10m a year. Fans have the right to question all stupid decisions made by the club, as they are the sole revenue stream that pays for those decisions. Whether it's employing Moyes who cost us £30-40m in Champions League money, employing Van Gaal who's bored us all to tears with his style or the decision to sanction a contract that amounts to setting fire to £55m of club money.

In terms of morale if you feel a member of staff being paid several times more than their performances warrant has no effect whatsoever on either a) what other players feel they deserve; or b) how other player's feel this reflects on themselves; then I'm not going to change your mind. I however feel that player's aren't robots and even if they were, it's the job of their agents to use things like Rooney's salary as leverage against the club. In twelve months if Martial continues his progress you can guarantee his agent will be drawing our boards attention to his much superior contribution despite a hugely inferior salary. Whatever your belief it sets a bad precedent.
 
It's time to get rid. Look at Liverpool, Leicester, Spurs - all squads on the up and none of them have a fat lad on 250,000 a week screwing up their team building and eating up their wage budget.

The team needs rebuilding. It needs hunger, youth and pace. Flogging Wayne and getting him off the wage bill would help massively.
 
Nuts said:
It's time to get rid. Look at Liverpool, Leicester, Spurs - all squads on the up and none of them have a fat lad on 250,000 a week screwing up their team building and eating up their wage budget.

The team needs rebuilding. It needs hunger, youth and pace. Flogging Wayne and getting him off the wage bill would help massively.
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Did you not read the opening post? We're not allowed to mention his wage anymore.
 
Imagine you work at ... a hot dog stand. You put hot dogs in a bun and put ketchup on it. Nothing spectacular, just totally average, boring hot dogs. And for this they pay you ... a thousand pounds a day! For that sort of pay, wouldn't you expect some serious awesome hot dogs? I mean totally SPECTACULARLY tasty hot dogs in the best bun ever invented and the best garnishing anyone can think of, a hot dog fit for kings and queens.

So everyone would consider it really weird they pay you that sort of money to make bland, tasteless hot dogs.
 
By playing him and having a mediocre side as a consequence, we are not winning major titles or finishing higher up the table and therefore losing out on prize money, fans are disillusioned and less likely to invest money into the club.. so someone explain how he justifies the wage and is helping the club in a commercial sense?

A successful Manchester United without that fat bastard would be making even more money.
 
devilish said:
As a person who lived outside Britain for most of his life I can assure you its not the case. Rooney is for the neutrals an overrated player playing for an overrated national team + a top side whose struggling massively. In terms of poster boys its a matter (at least with neutrals) about who screams the most and whose got the most attractive package. That's why Ronaldo is the top of the range at the moment. He's a fantastic player, he's got personality and he's attractive. Rooney on the other hand has been out of the Ballon d'or contention since forever and his performance in the CL and the EPL had been disappointing. In terms of personality/attractiveness he's got the personality of Paul Scholes and the physical attractiveness of Fellaini. If Rooney lose up his striker's role with England then he's done.

Id say Smalling would soon overtake him in terms of the local pool while DDG (he's Spanish and Spain is doing very well at national front) would be a better poster boy then him at an international scene
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And I've never met anyone here (Croatia) who thinks about the Rooney the way you've described it above. I know people who follow not just United but Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Milan, Chelsea, Juventus, Inter and they automatically think of him when you mention United. When I would say he's well past it they'll come up with excuses for him not being great like he used to be but still good enough if used right, no one thinks of him as overrated.
 
Rado_N said:
Whether you like it or not Rooney is marketable. It's why Nike continue to pay him millions, and it was only 6 months ago there was talk of Adidas trying to get him to switch.
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Indeed. Pretty much everyone knows Rooney, but no-one bar EPL regulars know the likes of Smalling or Martial. Even De Gea is hardly recognizable. United fans here are thinking that everyone watch our matches, but in reality, most people don't watch EPL. They watch the UCL and International football and there Smalling, De Gea and Martial have done pretty much nothing so far.

Similarly, the likes of Ribery or Robben are far more recognizable (and marketable) than Douglas Costa, or even Lewandowski.

Saying that, a part of being recognizable is on the club. If United becomes great again, and we decide to go with Martial as our poster boy, then within a short time, he would become a very marketable player.

More important for me is the undroppable status that Rooney have. He just isn't that good to start for a good team, but he plays there always, and that is a problem. Other problems consist of him getting payed so much, but players who play far better for us, don't get payed near that level.
 
devilish said:
As a person who lived outside Britain for most of his life I can assure you its not the case. Rooney is for the neutrals an overrated player playing for an overrated national team + a top side whose struggling massively. In terms of poster boys its a matter (at least with neutrals) about who screams the most and whose got the most attractive package. That's why Ronaldo is the top of the range at the moment. He's a fantastic player, he's got personality and he's attractive. Rooney on the other hand has been out of the Ballon d'or contention since forever and his performance in the CL and the EPL had been disappointing. In terms of personality/attractiveness he's got the personality of Paul Scholes and the physical attractiveness of Fellaini. If Rooney lose up his striker's role with England then he's done.

Id say Smalling would soon overtake him in terms of the local pool while DDG (he's Spanish and Spain is doing very well at national front) would be a better poster boy then him at an international scene
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Nah I have stayed in Middle East and India and even now a lot of people know only Rooney. Only football fans even know about Smalling and no one will ever buy a GK shirt anyway.

Even in the whole of PL, no one else is more famous than him. People identify him as a footballing icon (as I said, the same way Arnold is for bodybuilding even though he is not built now)and will continue to do so for at least another 5 years. I see it broken by maybe Harry kane or martial. Smalling would do very well to get half his popularity worldwide
 
Black Adder said:
And I've never met anyone here (Croatia) who thinks about the Rooney the way you've described it above. I know people who follow not just United but Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Milan, Chelsea, Juventus, Inter and they automatically think of him when you mention United. When I would say he's well past it they'll come up with excuses for him not being great like he used to be but still good enough if used right, no one thinks of him as overrated.
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Yep. Rooney is generally overrated for people who don't watch United matches (or at least highlights) every week, while possibly slightly underrated from United fans.

People who watch us twice a year, think that he is still a top player and as you said, they automatically think for him when it comes to United. No-one practically knows any other United player bar Mata and Schweinsteiger (with De Gea and Carrick being in the next tier).
 
NinjaZombie said:
I don't have a problem with what he earns. I have a problem with his undroppable status.
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shamans said:
As do I.
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Pay him whatever, that is Ed's business, but he stinks on the field and is finished at the top level and yet we continue to indulge him.
I hope when Jose comes he cuts Rooney loose and we bring in a CM and ST that can help us get back to the top.
 
Revan said:
Yep. Rooney is generally overrated for people who don't watch United matches (or at least highlights) every week, while possibly slightly underrated from United fans.

People who watch us twice a year, think that he is still a top player and as you said, they automatically think for him when it comes to United. No-one practically knows any other United player bar Mata and Schweinsteiger (with De Gea and Carrick being in the next tier).
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have you just woken up after 5 years? Your point on De Gea is guff.
 
ravi2 said:
Pay him whatever, that is Ed's business, but he stinks on the field and is finished at the top level and yet we continue to indulge him.
I hope when Jose comes he cuts Rooney loose and we bring in a CM and ST that can help us get back to the top.
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Too right. His move to midfield is a cynical one, designed to find a way to try and continue taking his wages. Should not be supported by the club - keep Rooney at the heart of the team and we'll never win a major trophy while we do.

And him being in CM is just one indulgence too far. Ludicrous.
 
Nuts said:
Too right. His move to midfield is a cynical one, designed to find a way to try and continue taking his wages. Should not be supported by the club - keep Rooney at the heart of the team and we'll never win a major trophy while we do.

And him being in CM is just one indulgence too far. Ludicrous.
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People seem to be dazzled by his raking cross field passes whilst forgetting that his first touch and positional awareness are abysmal.
He can do a ok job in CM sometimes, but why dont we get an actual CM with actual vision rather than shoehorning Rooney in there for marketing purposes?

I think Jose will probably be forced into playing him for a year but then its time for Rooney to go to MLS/China
 
Nuts said:
have you just woken up after 5 years? Your point on De Gea is guff.
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Not really. De Gea might be remembered for 2 matches against Real, but that's it. People in other states don't watch EPL every week, to know how good he is. If you don't perform incredibly well in UCL or World Cup/Euros, people won't know you.

I don't like Rooney and hope to see him gone, but there is no doubt that he is our most recognizable player, with only Schweinsteiger coming close.
 
Revan said:
Yep. Rooney is generally overrated for people who don't watch United matches (or at least highlights) every week, while possibly slightly underrated from United fans.

People who watch us twice a year, think that he is still a top player and as you said, they automatically think for him when it comes to United. No-one practically knows any other United player bar Mata and Schweinsteiger (with De Gea and Carrick being in the next tier).
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Exactly, so no wonder club is trying to milk his recognition while it lasts.
 
shamans said:
I really don't understand why people keep bringing up his 300k or whatever salary again and again. Whether he is past it or not should have nothing to do with his salary.

From what I have read, which makes a lot of sense, is that Rooney's salary is this high not because of his performance as a player but because of the Wayne Rooney brand name that generates so much profit for the club.

His salary is obviously a business decision. The club sees profit in it which is why they pay him that much -- not because he is scoring goals like Suarez.

Please stop mentioning his salary when you criticize him. It just makes no sense.
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Generally agree but you're doing nothing but spurring talk of Rooney's wages.
 
Revan said:
Not really. De Gea might be remembered for 2 matches against Real, but that's it. People in other states don't watch EPL every week, to know how good he is. If you don't perform incredibly well in UCL or World Cup/Euros, people won't know you.

I don't like Rooney and hope to see him gone, but there is no doubt that he is our most recognizable player, with only Schweinsteiger coming close.
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De Gea remembered for two matches?!

Get up to speed mate
 
its kinda sad to see great players lose their super powers, but happens to the best of them. When he stops playing he will be remembered a lot more fondly and rightly so, but currently he is the old heavyweight coming back for one more fight, with speech now a bit slurry. He is a touchy little fecker, and wont go quietly. He has been outed by an 18 year old kid nobody was expecting to see this year, and same with England in Kane/Vardy.

What other top club in Europe would have Rooney in their side? Madrid, Bayern, Atletico, not a sniff. These teams have standards and bollocks, something we clearly lack nowadays and cannot think of ourselves near that bracket for the foreseeable. How about top 7 in the premiership, who would actually crave him now regardless wage?

I'm not sure who should get the bile, the player who understandably wants to play on the biggest stage until he drops, or the club that continually allows it to happen with every excuse in the book ready for him. As shit as he has been for most of the season, its not for him to decide if he is good enough anymore
 
B20 said:
This thread is awful. It's not about whether he generates profit.

It's about club mentality, about having a squad where everyone knows that the only thing that matters and the only thing the club strives for, is what you deliver on the pitch.

Rooney is the antithesis of that. He gets pay bumbs for wanting to leave, starts regardless of form and takes home far more than his teammates for doing much less.

What he stands for in terms of employment policy is everything wrong with football.
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This
 
ravi2 said:
People seem to be dazzled by his raking cross field passes whilst forgetting that his first touch and positional awareness are abysmal.
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My problem at the moment is that while I agree this is generally true, it hasn't been in his recent little spell in CM. His first touch and awareness have been as good as anyone in the team in those three or four matches. I fully expect that to fall apart - he's never had the touch or close control to 'do a Scholes', and never will - but right now he's looking pretty sharp in those areas.

To be clear, I'm not actually weighing in on any 'pro-Rooney' argument here. For me we should be looking to offload him in the summer without question.
 
B20 said:
This thread is awful. It's not about whether he generates profit.

It's about club mentality, about having a squad where everyone knows that the only thing that matters and the only thing the club strives for, is what you deliver on the pitch.

Rooney is the antithesis of that. He gets pay bumbs for wanting to leave, starts regardless of form and takes home far more than his teammates for doing much less.

What he stands for in terms of employment policy is everything wrong with football.
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This. Fecking hate the Glazer and their business model. We're slowly moving away from being a football club and into a light version of Real Madrid with all the flashy money talk with underwhelming performance on the pitch in recent time. Even SAF last few season were not all that great (better than after his retirement though).
 
A working professional getting judged on the amount of wages he makes... Such a shocking concept:wenger:
 
B20 said:
This thread is awful. It's not about whether he generates profit.

It's about club mentality, about having a squad where everyone knows that the only thing that matters and the only thing the club strives for, is what you deliver on the pitch.

Rooney is the antithesis of that. He gets pay bumbs for wanting to leave, starts regardless of form and takes home far more than his teammates for doing much less.

What he stands for in terms of employment policy is everything wrong with football.
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Exactly this. It apparently doesn't matter what Rooney does at all as long as he sells a few shirts.
 
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