Wayne Rooney - Manchester United Legend

Do you consider Rooney to be a United legend?


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I loved his graft and fight on the pitch.

It has been hard to watch him lose his ability to outwork and outfight everyone else on the pitch.

He has always been able to win a match with a moment of magic, even in his declining years.

There's no question he's a legend, and I feel sorry for those who have spent so much time disliking him. If he had just been a good player instead of a legend, then no one would have cared enough to dislike him.
 
Yes in some circumstances, perhaps it was a case of sexual blackmail or was he emotionally blackmailing the club?

Why don't you enlighten me as to what type of blackmail you were referring to then?

You can only enlighten so many…because some people cannot be enlightened, tho I will try.

Both times he cited footballing/sporting reasons as he believed UTD won't be as competitive and he wanted to join our rivals, which is disrespectful towards the club. He could have asked to go abroad, there was interest show for him from Spanish clubs but instead he flirted with Chelsea and City.

Also is worth mentioning that both times it ended with him getting his wages doubled.
 
You can only enlighten so many…because some people cannot be enlightened, tho I will try.

Both times he cited footballing/sporting reasons as he believed UTD won't be as competitive and he wanted to join our rivals, which is disrespectful towards the club. He could have asked to go abroad, there was interest show for him from Spanish clubs but instead he flirted with Chelsea and City.

Also is worth mentioning that both times it ended with him getting his wages doubled.
He's shown more loyalty to United than you're demonstrating now.
 
How can 124 people say he's not a Utd legend? All time record scorer. Gave us 13 years of service and was club captain. The mind boggles. If you're going to judge his Utd career on the transfer request, then you are an idiot. All the best, Wayne. Thanks for the memories.
 
He's shown more loyalty to United than you're demonstrating now.

Wait ahaha so if I'm not ignoring the 2 instances he's been utterly disrespectful towards UTD, I'm being disloyal? :lol::lol::lol:

How's the weather under that glass bell?
 
My point about the prophet remark was if someone tells you to jump of a bridge, would you do it? If they started calling Henderson a legend enough times, I guess you would agree with that too?

And if Zlatan spending measly 4 years at a club and scoring a lot of goals qualifies him as a Legend then my god, the word has really been cheapened. The fact is people will always try and make their own sound better. They wear their players achievements on their chests like a badge of honor. So will want they biggest shiniest badge, even if that means lying to themselves. Wish I'm not willing to do.

And yes, the word legend is reserved for one club players who are great in their position. Afterall, its the word "legend" not "great player"

There is no logic to these arguments. Jumping off a bridge because someone said to is in now way comparable to accepting that a player is a legend for a particular football.

Likewise, accepting that Jordan Henderson, who has won a single League Cup with Liverpool, is a club legend for them, is a great deal different to accepting that Kenny Dalglish is a club legend for them. Kenny Dalglish who won 6 League Titles an FA Cup, 4 League Cups and 3 European Cups with them as a player, and a further 3 League Titles and 2 FA Cups as a manager.

PSG have won 6 league titles in their entire history, Zlatan was a key part in 4 of them. He's their all-time top goalscorer. Of course he's a club legend for them. As I said, he's synonymous with their rise. Cantona is similarly regarded as a United legend despite only being at the club 5 years. He is intrinsically linked to the rise of the modern Manchester United we associate with success.

The only thing that you're not willing to accept is that you're completely bonkers. A player can only be a club legend if he's great in his position, and played for his boyhood club his whole career? That means great players would have to stay at sub-par teams to be regarded as legends, and lesser players who had the misfortune of growing up supporting one of the giants could never be regarded as club legends because they weren't good enough to play for their boyhood clubs.

Pele played for two clubs, Maradona for five, Best for seventeen, Zidane for four, Luis Ronaldo for seven, Johan Cruyff for six, Beckenbauer for three, Eusebio for nine. Football's history is littered with legendary players who turned out for more than one club.

With your logic, Ronaldo, one of the world's greatest ever players, cannot be considered a legend for anyone because he's played for three clubs. Messi cannot be considered a legend for Barcelona because his boyhood club is Newell's Old Boys.

I respect that you may regard players like Giggs, who were undoubtedly amongst the best in the world for a time and who spent their entire careers at one club at a very high level of the game, with a special status of regard, but to then use that to say that some of the best players to ever grace the game cannot be considered legends because they had the audacity to play for more than one team is one of the most ridiculous attitudes I've ever come across.

You can stop arguing your point now because it's fecking idiotic.

You do realize that blackmail isn't only limited to money, right?

Yes, but if it wasn't money, what is it that he was blackmailing the club for?
 
Wait ahaha so if I'm not ignoring the 2 instances he's been utterly disrespectful towards UTD, I'm being disloyal? :lol::lol::lol:

How's the weather under that glass bell?
You're judging his Utd career on a mistake he made, which is absolutely pathetic. Good on you! First transfer request was definitely his own doing but the second was Fergie stoking fires for sure. It was never proven that he handed in one that time.
 
Thank you Wazza. My favorite season of his was just after Ronaldo left and pepole were asking where the goals were coming from.
 
It's a strange one really.

It's a sad end to his time at United as really he should still be the main man here, leading the line and banging in the goals. Sadly he's faded away dramatically and just doesn't appear to have the consistency to be at the very top. Whether that's just natural regression or he had simply lost his motivation remains to be seen. In spells Rooney has still displayed excellence and ability so I don't think it's all gone just yet..

It's sad because he should be retiring at the club and still delivering performances worthy of his legend. When you look at Ronaldo and what he's doing and even Zlatan last year that should be Wayne. Still wearing red, still the main man. That's what hurts.

Despite the criticism that his hearts not in it anymore watching him go berserk on the touchline last season when Ibrahimovic won us the League Cup at the death and seeing him celebrating with the Europa League Trophy shows that's not the case. He still loves the club and he still loves winning. It's a hard one to understand.

Let's hope he gets a spark from his move and gives us one last look at his genius. Hard not to be choked it won't be here though, let's be honest.

Thanks Wayne and see you next season. You were amazing.
 
For those who believe he's not a legend, you need to realise how much social media and journalism rules the footballing world now.

I'm sure "Legends" of the past had spats with managers but the media wasn't there to turn the screw, nor was every nuance of the game televised including pundits opinions.

For what Rooney achieved in 13 years he was a legend for the club, he's the greatest goalscorer at the club and for England.

There's some things that he didn't have control over (external factors):

* SAF retiring (although he would have probably been moved on if SAF theoretically stayed on the season SAF left).
* Moyes getting rid of all of the backroom staff.
* van Gaals awful tactics.
* Giggs and Scholes Retiring
* No real world class players around him for 2 years+.

If these things didn't happen maybe he would have had a better last 3 years, he wasnt the only abysmal player during the last 3 years, everyone in the squad suffered.

Rooney in the last 3 years was partly to do with his physical decline, but he was barely playing as #9, having the spine of the team leave, Scholes, Vida, Rio, Giggs you can't say his last few years is his fault. Nor with Moyes getting rid of the likes of Rene Meulensteen.

However the last 12 months was really hard to watch, misplaced passes, absolutely no ball control whatsoever, and Mourinho did want rid of him, but every players career there's a time when they are moved on, this was Rooneys time.

Looking at his entire career though, definitely a club legend, and a Rooney in his prime, or the first 5-6 years of his career at United I would take any day.
 
Hopefully he'd get a statue outside OT. Would be deserved as well for all he has done for us
 
You're judging his Utd career on a mistake he made, which is absolutely pathetic. Good on you! First transfer request was definitely his own doing but the second was Fergie stoking fires for sure. It was never proven that he handed in one that time.

Pathetic is that people are selling themselves as UTD fans, a club they love and cherish yet they're fully prepared to ignore the fact that Rooney has disrespected the club in two occasions, once can be called a mistake, two times is something else.

Could it be they're actually Rooney and not UTD fans?

As I said IMO he's a UTD great, but not a legend.
 
The Most important Rooney was the goal he scored in the ucl final in 2011 when his strike equalized the game. Sadly messi outshone in the match.
 
Amazing to look at how many records he broke :

Top goal scorer in United's history.
Top goal scorer for United in Europe.
Top goal scorer in the Manchester Derby.
Top goal scorer for England national team.
Most goals scored in away games in EPL.
Only one of 3 players scored +100 and assisted +100 in EPL.

He has been a record breaker in England tbh. The only record he didn't break was the English league top scorer because of his decline in goals in recent years.
 
did Rooney leave a message to United fans? normally a player who spent 13 years with the club would have do so in the first minute to thank the club, fans etc
 
Pathetic is that people are selling themselves as UTD fans, a club they love and cherish yet they're fully prepared to ignore the fact that Rooney has disrespected the club in two occasions, once can be called a mistake, two times is something else.

Could it be they're actually Rooney and not UTD fans?

As I said IMO he's a UTD great, but not a legend.

Not today in this thread eh?

No one wants to hear it.
 
rooney never handed in a second transfer request. what are you on about?
 
did Rooney leave a message to United fans? normally a player who spent 13 years with the club would have do so in the first minute to thank the club, fans etc

No, only thing he's said is that winning a trophy at Everton would be the pinnacle of his career, and also that he's spent the last 13 years wearing Everton pajamas.
 
Good to remember that the number of times we've shouted his name in joy far exceeds the number of times we've muttered it in frustration. He came, he saw, he conquered and we were better off for it for the last 13 years. An era is over and I'm glad I was witness for this record breaking period of the club's history.
 
Absolute legend. My favourite player of all time. It's gonna take a while for me to get used to a Manchester United team without him in it.
 
Both times he cited footballing/sporting reasons as he believed UTD won't be as competitive and

In 2010 yes in 2013 no, so wrong.

he wanted to join our rivals,

In 2013 perhaps but definitely not in 2010, do you have quotes to prove he did?

Everyone is saying that I was definitely going to Manchester City. Believe me, if I had gone, it wouldn’t have been in England, I’d have gone abroad,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-would-never-have-joined-Manchester-City.html


which is disrespectful towards the club. He could have asked to go abroad, there was interest show for him from Spanish clubs but instead he flirted with Chelsea and City.

He asked to leave i doubt in 2010 at least it ever got to the stage of asking which particular club he did or did not want to go.

Also is worth mentioning that both times it ended with him getting his wages doubled.

Wrong again unfortunately mate.

And after penning a new five-year deal that will earn him £250,000 a week, Rooney admitted he faces a battle to win back the trust of everyone at United for putting them through one of the most turbulent weeks in the club’s history.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wayne-rooney-signs-new-250000-3349419
Rooney, whose previous £250,000-a-week deal would have expired next year, had looked set to leave Old Trafford last summer after former United manager Sir Alex Ferguson claimed he had asked for a transfer - something the player denied.

Chelsea had more than one bid for him rejected but new boss Moyes insisted he wanted to keep his former Everton player at Old Trafford.

The new deal involves a basic wage of £250,000 a week, but with commercial rights making it more lucrative for the player, up to £300,000.

None of what you've said here constitutes blackmail mate, except maybe the part about his wages being doubled. But you said you were not implying that Rooney blackmailed the club for money. To blackmail a person or people, the person doing the blackmailing is ultimately looking to receive something.

So what did Rooney blackmail the club for again?
 
did Rooney leave a message to United fans? normally a player who spent 13 years with the club would have do so in the first minute to thank the club, fans etc

Give it time, he probably will.
 
Apart from that time Keane held the club to ransom to double his wage, yeah, Keane......
Right, so let me get this straight. A player can only be a legend if they a) were very, very good footballers and b) played for and remained at their boyhood club for their entire careers?

Can you not see how utterly absurd that is?

I suppose it's just different people's opinions. There's no objective definition, or anything close, so no point in arguing. For me Cantona is a legend and Rooney isn't. Not sure why I feel that - I just do.
 
Wait ahaha so if I'm not ignoring the 2 instances he's been utterly disrespectful towards UTD, I'm being disloyal? :lol::lol::lol:

How's the weather under that glass bell?

When any footballer signs a contract , it would be foolish of them not to ask what plans the club had for the future.

Do you think there is the slightest chance Rooney felt the club were not upholding their part of the bargain & felt ' disrespected ' ?

Anyways it's all speculation. The guy is a legend.