Wayne Rooney - Manchester United Legend

Do you consider Rooney to be a United legend?


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Cheesy music but what the heck. It's an emotional day.

What memories, though it really does make it frustrating that he had that transfer sage during his time (and that just pointed out the first one).

It's weird, never felt so emotional over a transfer or retirement (SAF aside) before.
 
If LFC fans started calling Dalglish a prophet, I guess disagreeing with that would make me clueless too. They can call him anything under the sun, it doesn't make it fact. It comes down to what different people set as the standard for using the word legend. My standard is the 1% of very special players. By your logic we might as well call Zlatan a PSG legend because he is there top scorer and Drinkwater a legend because he won the premiership with Leicester.

And the fish in the pond analogy is basically confirming what I'm saying. You don't leave the pond for your own gains, the whole point of a Legend is they put the club first and before themselves. Even if that means sacrificing money or trophies.

As it's unlikely Leicester will ever win the league again, it's likely that drinkwater and his teammates from that title win will become Leicester legends. Nay, they are Leicester legends

Your definition of legend is very subjective. Everyone else is dealing in facts.
 
All time United top scorer and yet some don't consider him a club legend :lol:. Get over yourselves.
 
Bit surprised that only 16% are voting for 'not a legend'. This forum seems to have had a special amount of derision for him for a long time, even before it was cool to hate his terrible performances.

Guess it's easier to let bygones be bygones and value the positives now that he's actually finally leaving.

For me, I think that I almost have to concede that he is a legend simply because of his goal record and because he was an important player in 5 league wins and a CL win.

But - I don't *feel like* saying he is a legend. Because I just don't like him. Even when he was good on the pitch for us, I never liked him as a person because he is thick as pigshit and completely uncultured. Then there was the contract dispute and everything surrounding it in 2010. I never really forgave him for that. Then the next one in 2013 when he should have been sold. After that he's appeared jaded ("I have nothing to prove") and in the last three years he has been absolutely terrible.

Happy to be done with him. Head says I have to admit he's a legend, heart says no.

It's the nostalgia that does this. He threatened to leave several times to get a better deal and openly admits his true love is Everton. If that now qualifies as a club legend then standards have REALLY dropped.

I don't agree with the attack on his character though, genuinely think he is a good person. Wish him all the best at Everton
 
I've been his biggest critic over the years but he's obviously a legend.

Identifying legends can be difficult but I propose a simple definition: legends are the players that - twenty years on from now - you will be extolling to your kids to because of their overall contribution to Manchester United.

In twenty years, I will tell my kids, not about protracted contract negotiations or about a precipitous decline in quality in his last two years, but instead, about the debut hat-trick; the winner at Anfield; that goal against AC Milan; the bicycle kick; that spate of headers which for half a season at least made him the best striker in Europe and countless other memories where he was central in our greatest ever period. Ultimately, we watch football for brief moments of transcendental joy - this flawed, talented man has given us so many of those.
 
Bit surprised that only 16% are voting for 'not a legend'. This forum seems to have had a special amount of derision for him for a long time, even before it was cool to hate his terrible performances.

Guess it's easier to let bygones be bygones and value the positives now that he's actually finally leaving.

For me, I think that I almost have to concede that he is a legend simply because of his goal record and because he was an important player in 5 league wins and a CL win.

But - I don't *feel like* saying he is a legend. Because I just don't like him. Even when he was good on the pitch for us, I never liked him as a person because he is thick as pigshit and completely uncultured. Then there was the contract dispute and everything surrounding it in 2010. I never really forgave him for that. Then the next one in 2013 when he should have been sold. After that he's appeared jaded ("I have nothing to prove") and in the last three years he has been absolutely terrible.

Happy to be done with him. Head says I have to admit he's a legend, heart says no.

I have to agree with this. I voted "not a legend", was probably a tad too harsh.
 
I'm genuinely sad to see him go. Thanks for everything, Wayne. A United icon and deservedly so, there were a lot of great memories over the years.
The best of luck to him at Everton.
 
Yes he flirted with it. Unlike Giggs, Scholes, Neville, even Keane. For me that's the high bar for being a legend. Still a very good player though.

Apart from that time Keane held the club to ransom to double his wage, yeah, Keane.

Comparing players to the class of 92 is just weird. It's so extremely rare to get a group of lads who have grown up with the club all come through and establish themselves as first-team players for over a decade that to use them as a base of comparison is extremely unfair.

Rooney came to us and enjoyed enormous success. We then sold our, and the world's best, player, and brought in Valencia, Obertan, Owen and Diouf. It's not nice to see as a fan, but I can think it's understandable that he was concerned about the investment in the team. I don't believe the Chelsea thing was anything more than rumour, but again, if he'd been told that he wasn't really in first team plans anymore but felt he had a lot to offer, can you really blame him for displaying even minor interest in continuing his career at the highest level possible.

The fact still remains though that he never left, and became our top-goal scorer in the process.

If LFC fans started calling Dalglish a prophet, I guess disagreeing with that would make me clueless too. They can call him anything under the sun, it doesn't make it fact. It comes down to what different people set as the standard for using the word legend. My standard is the 1% of very special players. By your logic we might as well call Zlatan a PSG legend because he is there top scorer and Drinkwater a legend because he won the premiership with Leicester.

And the fish in the pond analogy is basically confirming what I'm saying. You don't leave the pond for your own gains, the whole point of a Legend is they put the club first and before themselves. Even if that means sacrificing money or trophies.

Because as we all know, saying someone is a legend for your football club is the same as heralding them as the second coming of Christ. You have the most ridiculous definition of a footballing legend I've ever come across.

PSG were only founded in 1970, and Zlatan is essentially synonymous to their recent rise to the top levels of European football. Of course he's a club legend for them.

Likewise, Leicester are probably never going to hit those heights ever again. The players involved in that effort are all going to go down as club legends, moreso the ones who were integral parts of the team, like Drinkwater.

Most normal people will use the term legend to describe players who accomplished special things at their club. Rooney has done that at United, Dalglish at Liverpool. Just because they weren't boyhood fans of the clubs doesn't mean their contributions to their club's histories were any less special, or indeed, legendary.

Then there'll be a tier of players who will be remembered as great players or servants, not quite reaching legend status, and cult heroes, who would be very good players only at the club for a short time.



Right, so let me get this straight. A player can only be a legend if they a) were very, very good footballers and b) played for and remained at their boyhood club for their entire careers?

Can you not see how utterly absurd that is?
 
After that debut hatrick I thought he was gonna gon on to be special, I was still a kid but I was so hyped. Shame it didn't play out like that, still a very good player and great career.
 
Could you point out the part in which I state he blackmailed the club for money?


So what did he blackmail the club for then?

You are aware what the definition of the word blackmail is yes?
 
You cant be serious? You consider going to play in the U.S treachery? Most clubs in Europe would have taken him that year, he is even said he had lots of offers, but refused if it meant there was a chance he could end up facing Liverpool. His move to the US was strictly a retirement plan, I wouldn't consider it a career move. His career started and ended at Liverpool.

:lol: can't believe there's people who convince themselves Gerrard is a one club man. Carragher is because WAIT FOR IT he actually only played for one club.

Anyway, Rooney for footballing reasons is widely considered a man utd legend. Who he grew up supporting is irrelevant as a vast majority of footballers will play for a team they didn't support growing up. It's about finding employment.
 
Think you have to have a very strict definition of a legend not to consider him one. Easy to forget just how many great moments he's been involved in for us.
 
It's called denial. You know 100% that he would have left if someone offered something better. Yes he stayed in the end because there was no better offer. If you have persuaded yourself that he would have rejected something better than you are lost my friend.

Conjecture

He did stay, he did break records. He is a legend.
 
Took nearly half a century before someone came along and took the record for himself. It will be awhile before we can witness another career like Rooney's in our club, and there are people who thinks he is not a legend?:eek::wenger:

Absolutely gutted that he's gone, but it was time for us part ways.
 
After that debut hatrick I thought he was gonna gon on to be special, I was still a kid but I was so hyped. Shame it didn't play out like that, still a very good player and great career.

But he did turn out to be special.
 
I've been his biggest critic over the years but he's obviously a legend.

Identifying legends can be difficult but I propose a simple definition: legends are the players that - twenty years on from now - you will be extolling to your kids to because of their overall contribution to Manchester United.

In twenty years, I will tell my kids, not about protracted contract negotiations or about a precipitous decline in quality in his last two years, but instead, about the debut hat-trick; the winner at Anfield; that goal against AC Milan; the bicycle kick; that spate of headers which for half a season at least made him the best striker in Europe and countless other memories where he was central in our greatest ever period. Ultimately, we watch football for brief moments of transcendental joy - this flawed, talented man has given us so many of those.

Great post
 
His peak might not be the longest and his decline was quite extreme, but I'll remember him as the immense force he was in the time after Ronaldo left you. He seemed so poised to step up his game and delivered on all stages. Fantastic player. And more intelligent on the field than he's been given credit for. As an outsider, I'd consider him one of the legends of your club.
 
Because as we all know, saying someone is a legend for your football club is the same as heralding them as the second coming of Christ. You have the most ridiculous definition of a footballing legend I've ever come across.

PSG were only founded in 1970, and Zlatan is essentially synonymous to their recent rise to the top levels of European football. Of course he's a club legend for them.

Likewise, Leicester are probably never going to hit those heights ever again. The players involved in that effort are all going to go down as club legends, moreso the ones who were integral parts of the team, like Drinkwater.

Most normal people will use the term legend to describe players who accomplished special things at their club. Rooney has done that at United, Dalglish at Liverpool. Just because they weren't boyhood fans of the clubs doesn't mean their contributions to their club's histories were any less special, or indeed, legendary.

Then there'll be a tier of players who will be remembered as great players or servants, not quite reaching legend status, and cult heroes, who would be very good players only at the club for a short time.


Right, so let me get this straight. A player can only be a legend if they a) were very, very good footballers and b) played for and remained at their boyhood club for their entire careers?

Can you not see how utterly absurd that is?

My point about the prophet remark was if someone tells you to jump of a bridge, would you do it? If they started calling Henderson a legend enough times, I guess you would agree with that too?

And if Zlatan spending measly 4 years at a club and scoring a lot of goals qualifies him as a Legend then my god, the word has really been cheapened. The fact is people will always try and make their own sound better. They wear their players achievements on their chests like a badge of honor. So will want they biggest shiniest badge, even if that means lying to themselves. Wish I'm not willing to do.

And yes, the word legend is reserved for one club players who are great in their position. Afterall, its the word "legend" not "great player"
 
An absolute legend, has been the face of United's dominance this last decade and an icon for myself growing up, I haven't seen a United team without Rooney in it or there abouts. It was however time for him to move on, best for all parties. I think towards the end Rooney lost a fraction of motivation, and you only need to lose the slightest to turn from a winner to a loser.
 
I can't understand the people that do not consider Rooney a legend. Why is that?

I could understand younger fans who did not see him from the start, but for everyone who did, I just can't understand it.
 
Bit surprised that only 16% are voting for 'not a legend'. This forum seems to have had a special amount of derision for him for a long time, even before it was cool to hate his terrible performances.

Guess it's easier to let bygones be bygones and value the positives now that he's actually finally leaving.

For me, I think that I almost have to concede that he is a legend simply because of his goal record and because he was an important player in 5 league wins and a CL win.

But - I don't *feel like* saying he is a legend. Because I just don't like him. Even when he was good on the pitch for us, I never liked him as a person because he is thick as pigshit and completely uncultured. Then there was the contract dispute and everything surrounding it in 2010. I never really forgave him for that. Then the next one in 2013 when he should have been sold. After that he's appeared jaded ("I have nothing to prove") and in the last three years he has been absolutely terrible.

Happy to be done with him. Head says I have to admit he's a legend, heart says no.

That's united fans for you, This is why it is considered to be the best support a club coluld have. There is a certain mystic here.
 
Conjecture

He did stay, he did break records. He is a legend.

I really don't get this "he wanted to leave" crap. If he really wanted to leave, he'd have gone. Particularly under Fergie, who wouldn't have stood for him constantly looking at the exit. He could have gone in 2009/10, but he didn't. There were rumours the other year, and he stayed then. He's given his best years to United, yet people still remark that he was a bit pissed off that we sold the world's best player who was just reaching his prime and replaced him with a 30-year-old Michael Owen.

Meanwhile, Ronaldo is still revered on here despite the fact that he spent about 4 or 5 seasons saying only god knew if he was going to move to Real Madrid, and Roy Keane is still regarded as a hero despite the fact that he himself had a huge contract dispute for more money, and ended up leaving the club after slagging off the playing staff and Fergie, and who has constantly stuck the boot in as a pundit in his retirement. Vidic another regarded as a legend, despite announcing his departure mid-season, as captain, during our worst season in over two decades.

If he wasn't a dumpy, potato-headed scouser, people would have viewed it all differently.
 
Utterly absurd that people are disputing the fact the man is a legend for us. People let their disliking of the man cloud their judgement because of the times he wanted to leave, wanted more money and obviously his abysmal performances over the last few years

But he is the clubs Highest ever goal scorer, he was a key part in our domestic success when he was here contributing to a number of league titles and a champions league. The man is a legend and it shouldn't be questioned at all in my opinion. It is the right time to go however and I really do hope he does well at Everton.

Farewell wayne. Thanks for all the trophies and service to the club!
 
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And are you aware that blackmail is not limited to monetary gain only? Are you?

Yes in some circumstances, perhaps it was a case of sexual blackmail or was he emotionally blackmailing the club?

Why don't you enlighten me as to exactly what type of blackmail you were referring to then?
 
Van Nistelrooy, Solksjaer, Rossi, Bellion, Saha, Forlan, Larsson, Tevez, Berbatov, Campbell, Macheda, Welbeck, Diouf, Owen, Hernandez, Van Persie, Falcao, Keane, Rashford, Martial and Ibrahimovic.

Rooney has paired up with all of these up front during his 13 year stint with us. Incredible.
 
Van Nistelrooy, Solksjaer, Rossi, Bellion, Saha, Forlan, Larsson, Tevez, Berbatov, Campbell, Macheda, Welbeck, Diouf, Owen, Hernandez, Van Persie, Falcao, Keane, Rashford, Martial and Ibrahimovic.

Rooney has paired up with all of these up front during his 13 year stint with us. Incredible.

And you Missed Ronaldo:lol: