Wayne Rooney - Manchester United Legend

Do you consider Rooney to be a United legend?

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frank lee madeer.. said:
I take it you are unaware of the period where the club massively underinvested in its future playing staff ? It's part of the reason a younger stronger team wasn't left for safs successor.
You not being aware of this makes you're opinion that , Rooney should have just been happy regardless , more understandable.
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Ofc I'm aware yet we were doing quite fine at that point in time so how come he haven't shown more trust in manager and the club management?

After all he was always full of praise for SAF?

And how come both times talks ended with him getting new contract?
 
stevoc said:
Look mate i may have been a bit of a dick in my other posts, but it's annoying to see people continue to throw around phrases like blackmail, ransom and threatening to go to other clubs with regards to Rooney contract sagas. When it's fairly clear for anyone who has actually looked into it that it mostly wasn't the case.

I am convinced most of the shit people are holding against Rooney after all these years is largely a combination of tabloid nonsense and/or misremembered things he is supposed to have did or said. And of course other people assuming as fact all that shit being constantly spewed on here.

Rooney's no angel he did some questionable things in 2010 no doubt like the statement publicly questioning the clubs ambitions. But other players like Keane, Ferdinand and Ronaldo also did questionable things in similar circumstances and yet they have largely been forgiven or forgotten.
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Nah it's cool, we're having a friendly discussion.

Point is ofc I don't hate Rooney, I loved old angry Rooney and always valued him (I still do and will probably watch every Everton game), but those 2 transfer request just won't let me call him a legend atm, maybe in future things will change but atm I just can't.

That's just my opinion and I'm not forcing it on anyone else. Everyone's free to make up their own mind on the matter.
 
prtk0811 said:
Point is he was never going to leave actually. It was tantrums. And if you look back now the underinvestment was a real thing.
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Hence why I consider him to be a UTD great, but not a legend. Maybe in the future things will change but atm IMO he's a UTD great.
 
Let's be honest, he stunk the place out on the pitch for the last few years but off it his attitude and respect for the club and its supporters has been impeccable. He will be considered a true legend for United and although his fitness has been rightly questioned the sacrifice of his favored playing position for the good of the team should not. He has been my favorite player since the day he rolled up to OT
in his uncle's Traveller suit. I will miss him now he is gone, I really hoped he would turn in to Teddy Sheringham but every minute on the pitch made it more obvious that would not happen. I expect him to fade away gracefully now, out of the sporting spotlight and in to the center pages of the red tops.
Good bye Wayne Rooney thank you for the happy memories and every time I look at the only United shirt I have with a name on the back I will reminisce on the time you played for this great club and wore number 8.
 
United legend in my eyes with a few black marks. But overall a legend who did a lot for our club on the pitch while he was around.

Am also mindful and respectful of the opposing point of view (re his greed, ransom-holding of the club) such as:

 
Fracture90 said:
It's quite pretentious to assume that just from my view on things. What made you think that?
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Your attitude is coming across as rather arrogant. Including your first sentence right there.

That being said, I understand your perspective on this debate. However the fact remains none of us know for sure as to what went on between Rooney and the club, so I personally don't use that as part of my judgement. It's my opinion sure, but for me he's a true club Legend and will go down as one.
 
Member 5225 said:
United legend in my eyes with a few black marks. But overall a legend who did a lot for our club on the pitch while he was around.

Am also mindful and respectful of the opposing point of view (re his greed, ransom-holding of the club) such as:

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The club at the time was spending feck all money and the team had dropped a few levels. He was wrong to ask to leave though and he repeatedly admitted it was a mistake, going on to score the title winning goal. What is wrong with people?

The people who post utter shite like that are the same people who will literally masturbate over Ronaldo calling him a United legend, despite him asking to leave twice and then finally actually fecking leaving...giving the best years of his career to another club.

Wayne is beyond a legend.
 
The more I think about it how can he not be a legend, he spent 13 years at the club, what kind of relationship doesn't have ups and downs over that length of time? As I've already pointed out magical moments in every one of his 13 seasons, record goal scorer and at his peek one of the best players in the world

Ignore his decline over the last few years because every player suffers that with many not having had the career he's had before that decline

Absolute legend and like all legends it'll be almost impossible to replace him
 
Offside said:
The club at the time was spending feck all money and the team had dropped a few levels. He was wrong to ask to leave though and he repeatedly admitted it was a mistake, going on to score the title winning goal. What is wrong with people?

The people who post utter shite like that are the same people who will literally masturbate over Ronaldo calling him a United legend, despite him asking to leave twice and then finally actually fecking leaving...giving the best years of his career to another club.

Wayne is beyond a legend.
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Re: Ronaldo - didn't he ask once, have a grown up behind the scenes discussion/agreement with the manager and the club and leave with our full blessings?
 
Redlambs said:
Your attitude is coming across as rather arrogant. Including your first sentence right there.

That being said, I understand your perspective on this debate. However the fact remains none of us know for sure as to what went on between Rooney and the club, so I personally don't use that as part of my judgement. It's my opinion sure, but for me he's a true club Legend and will go down as one.
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Just curious to know what basis have I given you for you to assume that I'm holding my opinion to be the only one correct?
 
Rooney's Pic is still used in the tour 2017 Poster :D . The PR men will also take some time to absorb this.
 
I don't consider him a legend, but I perfectly understand that people do & would 100% feel the same if it wasn't for that transfer-saga.
He's the clubs top scorer and deserve all the positive talks about his career at us as he's getting, and more as well. I consider him a club-icon. Someone who will be in our history in a very positive light.
But for me personally, no legend. I'm sorry to those that may offend.
 
Fracture90 said:
Just curious to know what basis have I given you for you to assume that I'm holding my opinion to be the only one correct?
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If you've got proof for your views then cough it up, otherwise, please just just piss off to another thread and let the grown ups chat.
 
When I started understanding football Atkinson was still the manager at the club. I'm one of the privileged who has seen the club take the amazing journey that we have. Players like Robson, Cantona, Scholes, Ronaldo have graced our club. Rooney is among mentioned for me. Great servent, great player.
 
Rooney helped us win 5 league titles and to 3 champions league finals in 4 years, as well playing a key role in various domestic cup final victories. He also played through the pain barrier on many occasions, sometimes more than was sensible. He had his faults, particularly an old school approach to conditioning, and the last couple of years have been painful viewing, but the fact he played hardball on contracts should not detract from his status (even more so as the arguments he/his agent used were actually true back then). A United legend although maybe not quite so high in the pantheon as seemed possible from 2004-2010.
 
Fracture90 said:
He asked to leave twice, didn't he?

Now take a chill pill and take your own advice.
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You've said your piece. Your posts are just wumming at this point, IMO. Quite a few in here want to pay respect to a great player. You think you've got inside insight into his contract negotiations,and if you know for a FACT he asked to leave twice, then cough it up and own it. Otherwise, your posts are just annoying.
 
Walking away with European trophy is good way to end it. At this point would even risk and say, better conclusion than Cantona's.

Legend.
 
0161_UNITED said:
You've said your piece. Your posts are just wumming at this point, IMO. Quite a few in here want to pay respect to a great player. You think you've got inside insight into his contract negotiations,and if you know for a FACT he asked to leave twice, then cough it up and own it. Otherwise, your posts are just annoying.
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Google it, you have both BBC and Guardian (both pretty valid sources when it comes to newspapers) as well as SAF himself saying that Rooney has asked to leave UTD.

I sincerely don't care what you think about my posts, I'm not forcing you to read them nor am I forcing you to live in denial.

As I said before if you're not able to have a normal discussion, take a deep breath and take your own advice.
 
13 years with the club
5 League Titles
1 Champions League
3 League Cups
1 FA Cup
1 Europa League
1 Club World Cup
559 Appearances
253 goals
Club captain
England captain
Utds all time leading goal scorer
Englands all time leading goal scorer

Of course he's a club legend FFS.
 
Now that Rooney has left, Mata is currently the club's top goal scorer at 36 goals. Really does feel like the end of an era.
 
Redlambs said:
Are you going to keep asking the same question until you get the answer you want?
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The fact you're deflecting my question is the answer enough.

Piece of advice, next time don't be so hasty to assume something when you've given no reason to do so or you're risking to come on as arrogant.
 
Ødegaard said:
I don't consider him a legend, but I perfectly understand that people do & would 100% feel the same if it wasn't for that transfer-saga.
He's the clubs top scorer and deserve all the positive talks about his career at us as he's getting, and more as well. I consider him a club-icon. Someone who will be in our history in a very positive light.
But for me personally, no legend. I'm sorry to those that may offend.
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I am of the same opinion. To me his attitude changed when Ronaldo left but all in all a great servant.
 
Fracture90 said:
Actually I answered it pretty clearly, not my fault if you are unable to figure it out.

He said he wanted to leave because he doesn't feel club has the right ambitions (he played for Manchester United, go figure) and that the club won't be as competitive as it was.

In other words, get ton of new Super signings or I'm leaving. How in the hell is that not a blackmail?

So you're saying it was all media hoax?
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It wasn't that at all though, that's just what you've decided it was.

The one time he handed in a transfer request he had legitimate concerns about the investment in the squad.

We won a League and European Cup double in 07/08, and Berbatov was the only statement signing that we made the following summer. When the next season had ended and we'd retained the league and were one game from retaining the CL, both Tevez and Ronaldo left, and our midfield was still a problem area, particularly as Hargreaves was still in the midst of severe injury problems.

We'd just fought Liverpool off for the first time in forever, City were investing hundreds of millions in playing staff (including Tevez), and Chelsea were still very formidable. He wasn't requesting a ton of new super signings, but he was looking at a squad that had just lost Ronaldo and Tevez and had a gaping hole in its midfield, with the summer reinforcements consisting of a 30-year-old Owen on a free, Valencia from Wigan, who was very much unproven at that time, and Diouf and Obertan, who were gambles for the future.

I'm not saying anything was a media hoax, but the links to City were almost entirely media speculation, if not entirely. They took Rooney's transfer request and City's heavy investment in their squad (combined with the signing of Tevez) and linked them together to formulate the "Rooney wants to go to City" narrative that people like to trot out to this day.
 
Fracture90 said:
He asked to leave twice, didn't he?
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When you think about Roy Keanes Utd career is the first thing you remember that time he refused to sign a new contract and threatened to leave on a free unless the club more than doubled his salary?
 
Alex99 said:
the links to City were almost entirely media speculation, if not entirely. They took Rooney's transfer request and City's heavy investment in their squad (combined with the signing of Tevez) and linked them together to formulate the "Rooney wants to go to City" narrative that people like to trot out to this day.
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Exactly. In fact the only thing Rooney said publicly about City at the time was that he'd never play for them.
 
Alex99 said:
It wasn't that at all though, that's just what you've decided it was.

The one time he handed in a transfer request he had legitimate concerns about the investment in the squad.

We won a League and European Cup double in 07/08, and Berbatov was the only statement signing that we made the following summer. When the next season had ended and we'd retained the league and were one game from retaining the CL, both Tevez and Ronaldo left, and our midfield was still a problem area, particularly as Hargreaves was still in the midst of severe injury problems.

We'd just fought Liverpool off for the first time in forever, City were investing hundreds of millions in playing staff (including Tevez), and Chelsea were still very formidable. He wasn't requesting a ton of new super signings, but he was looking at a squad that had just lost Ronaldo and Tevez and had a gaping hole in its midfield, with the summer reinforcements consisting of a 30-year-old Owen on a free, Valencia from Wigan, who was very much unproven at that time, and Diouf and Obertan, who were gambles for the future.

I'm not saying anything was a media hoax, but the links to City were almost entirely media speculation, if not entirely. They took Rooney's transfer request and City's heavy investment in their squad (combined with the signing of Tevez) and linked them together to formulate the "Rooney wants to go to City" narrative that people like to trot out to this day.
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Listen to cut the story short and avoid going in circles I'll say this once again:

- I loved Wayne Rooney as a player and always valued him but atm the fact that he had those 2 requests shows a lack of respect towards the club and again atm I can't call him a legend because of that. Respect for everything good he did in UTD shirt, it will always be remembered and best of luck to him.

Now that's my opinion, be it wrong or right Idk but that's how I feel.
 
Eyepopper said:
When you think about Roy Keanes Utd career is the first thing you remember that time he refused to sign a new contract and threatened to leave on a free unless the club more than doubled his salary?
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Dude as for Rooney I remember him for the good things, but as I said there's a difference between a legend and a great IMO.

Difference in opinion and it's really pointless to talk about it anymore.
 
Fracture90 said:
Listen to cut the story short and avoid going in circles I'll say this once again:

- I loved Wayne Rooney as a player and always valued him but atm the fact that he had those 2 requests shows a lack of respect towards the club and again atm I can't call him a legend because of that. Respect for everything good he did in UTD shirt, it will always be remembered and best of luck to him.
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What two requests?

He put in a transfer request at a time when it looked like our closest rivals (Liverpool and City) were primed to join us and Chelsea at the top of the domestic pile, whilst we were letting key players leave without replacing them, and also not addressing a glaringly obvious weakness in the squad. He said if he were to move it would have been abroad, but he didn't move, and it was all very quickly resolved, with him going on to be a key part in us winning the league and reaching another CL final the season after.

This apparent second request never happened. Fergie said it in an interview after announcing his retirement, then Scholes referenced what Fergie said in an interview with Neville, but Rooney has repeatedly said that he never handed in a transfer request, and despite heavy interest from Chelsea, and almost certainly interest from other clubs, he stayed.

Keane had a similar saga but people have no trouble calling him a legend, and that's with him openly slagging off his teammates and Fergie, and now the club in general as a pundit.
 
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