Wayne Rooney believes some United players pretending to be injured

Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Good point. It is shit how players know they can get away with that at United and turn up again whenever they fancy it.

I remember Hargreaves doing that in his first game back (I think it was vs Wolves) and Fergie never trusted him to start a game again.
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My point is that at least in some cases it is a feck up from a medical/managerial team and they should have never been cleared in the first place. I don't think you can make an argument that Wan-Bissaka and Licha are players to dodge responsibility when they can and just collect their paychecks and they are the ones I remember off the top of my head.

This is obviously pure speculation from me, but it would also be kind of expected that when a medical team can not be 100% trusted in those instances that players are going to start taking those decisions into their own hands and probably get some false positives along the way.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Ole and Rangnick both said Cavani had declared himself unfit despite being passed fit by the medical team. Rangnick also said "I can't force players to play". All it takes is for a player to see "hmm nah I feel a knock here and I don't want to risk making it worse".
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Cheers, probably just modern fragile mentality from some players these days then.

I wouldnt put it past Rashford neither to be honest. It’s probably a scapegoat thing he wants to avoid and it’s human, but not applaudable at all. We can only guess who it is.
 
I fear that some players are getting themselves out of the way to let ten Hag take the fall. Once the dust settles they'll come back.
 
ROFLUTION said:
I wouldnt put it past Rashford neither to be honest. It’s probably a scapegoat thing he wants to avoid and it’s human, but not applaudable at all. We can only guess who it is.
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Rashford played an entire season under Ole while having back injury that required surgery.
 
I feel this must be a slow news day. I watched what he said and in noway was he insisting what a lot of the media are making it out to be.

He’s just saying a lot of players are probably not busting a gut to get back but at the same time you can’t blame some especially when you see what has happened to Martinez on returning. We seen this under Ralf too at the end when there is nothing to player for there is less of a drive. I’m sure if we were competing for league titles like Rooney was there would be a lot more desire.

But reality is we aren’t.
 
Lemoor said:
Rashford played an entire season under Ole while having back injury that required surgery.
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And also went on drinking before a match a few months ago. If you like the manager, you’re probably willing to turn up more.

You could be right, of course. I just have little trust in where Rashford’s head is at after the drinking story and a terrible season.
 
If I see Luke Shaw looking like the best full back of all time at the Euros again I’ll start to believe this.
 
pacifictheme said:
Yeah considering that

1. It's their fecking job
2. It's their fecking fault
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Yes.

I don't think he's talking about serious injuries such as Martinez picked up. I think he's talking about those niggles that he played through all his career most likely.
 
Players on the pitch are feigning injury without hardly a question ….stands to reason they’ll do it when they don’t fancy playing.
 
Maybe The players don't trust our medical team considering how injury ridden our squad, it must make them paranoid to be part of a team where everyone keeps picking up injuries so often
 
horsechoker said:
I fear that some players are getting themselves out of the way to let ten Hag take the fall. Once the dust settles they'll come b aack.
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It could be both though. I don't think anyone is truly faking an injury and is 100% to play, I think that's absurd to suggest. It may just be they had their knock and the doctors suggest 2-4 weeks, so their definitely taking the 4 weeks.
 
For what it’s worth Souness has said on talksport that he has heard the same from a very reliable source.

Souness is a dick but I doubt he’s making that up, but I guess it depends how reliable said source is.
 
Garnacho's Shoelaces said:
Can you blame players not wanting to play through an injury to battle for 8th place when it may aggravate the injury further and result in them missing out on the Euros, etc.?
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Yes you fecking can, particularly given what they are earning.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Martial is the obvious one, others that wouldn't surprise me is Shaw, Varane, Lindelof & Mount.

I like some of those players but they've all surpassed the amount of time they were meant to be out and so many times they come back they break down, I don't think it's "I'm not injured, I won't play still", I think it's feeling a little something and sitting out rather than playing through it like a Bruno, Mctominay, Maguire & Evans would.
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There’s is a glaring, number-10-wearing omission in your list.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
I refuse to believe Bruno is part of that list based off the fact he has played through injuries lots of times
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He is talking about Rashford who has also played through injuries a lot, as have Martial and pretty much all the players people list.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Fair point - Who do you believe Rooney was referring to then?
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I don't think that he is referring to anyone in particular but I think that his observation is likely correct and apply to any player that could push through an injury but decided to target the cup final and the Euro or was advised to not push themselves unnecessarily. Because it makes sense for the club and themselves.
 
JPRouve said:
I don't think that he is referring to anyone in particular but I think that his observation is likely correct and apply to any player that could push through an injury but decided to target the cup final and the Euro or was advised to not push themselves unnecessarily. Because it makes sense for the club and themselves.
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Surely that's relevant to others clubs too you would think so it isn't really something that differentiates us from other teams..

jem said:
Wasn’t talking about Bruno
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Yea my fault, used to him playing the 10 role and typed too quickly.
 
Serious
Malacia
Shaw
Martinez
Martial

Non serious
Maguire
Varane
Lindelof
Rashford
Bruno
Mount

This is our current injury list. Other than Rashy being extra cautious, I'm not sure I can see anyone else pretending to be injured. They were either serious injuries or taking some extra time to rehab returning from a serious injury. If Rooney thinks they should be rushed back then he obviously hasn't been watching us this season.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Surely that's relevant to others clubs too you would think so it isn't really something that differentiates us from other teams..
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Totally. There is nothing special about it, people will use it to have a go at players but it's fairly normal, in reality players shouldn't even have to make that decision, the staff would put them on ice themselves because rushing them isn't worth it.
 
The media are so loud on United at the moment. Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea have all finished outside the top 7 in the last 10 years with genuinely 20% of the noise we’re getting at the moment. No exaggeration. Every single thing from the club doctor to the stadium roof being discussed in length over and over. Can’t be bothered hearing it, so excited for the season to end.
 
JPRouve said:
Totally. There is nothing special about it, people will use it to have a go at players but it's fairly normal, in reality players shouldn't even have to make that decision, the staff would put them on ice themselves because rushing them isn't worth it.
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Ten Hag literally said in his press conference he did that with Martinez as well. He was desperate to play, but told him he wasn't ready. Bruno and Rashford trained but were told they were not ready.
 
Happens at every club at this stage of the season doesn't it? Most clubs are in friendlies mode so older or injury prone players aren't taking the risk for no gain.
 
Oldyella said:
Shaw isn't lying then, he's just not the character to play through knocks. We are arguing semantics though with him. I'm more interested in players who have generally had decent records and appear to be missing games now.
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Rooney wasn’t accusing people of lying I don’t think. He’s accused them of not being willing to sacrifice themselves as he would’ve. That they may be hurt but they’re the kind of hurt that could play if it was a cup final rather than against Burnley in a dead rubber.
 
Lash said:
Ten Hag literally said in his press conference he did that with Martinez as well. He was desperate to play, but told him he wasn't ready. Bruno and Rashford trained but were told they were not ready.
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I almost mentioned it and it was the right move, it's best to have for the cup final than having too early for a gain that has no long term meaning for the club. It would be different if we were talking about CL KO games or a title race but we aren't.
 
I thought this would be known. It's not by coincidence Shaw goes missing when there's nothing to play for.

Would you risk reinjury when the season is already finished and there is a Euros coming up?
 
JPRouve said:
I almost mentioned it and it was the right move, it's best to have for the cup final than having too early for a gain that has no long term meaning for the club. It would be different if we were talking about CL KO games or a title race but we aren't.
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Exactly. There was also an article I think by one of the football finance guys (maybe Swedish rumble?) that we would be better off getting no European football than conference league, because we wouldn't be bound by Uefa spending rules. So add that into the mix there's almost no benefit.
 
It’s such a generic, throwaway comment to make about an underperforming team. He has no clue what going on behind closed doors.

Does Shaw think he’s just suddenly going to produce his best form for the cup final and England after missing half the season? I doubt he’s that stupid.

Rashford has played through injuries plenty of times and must be desperate to get a few goals and try and push into the Euros squad.

Bruno has literally never missed a club game before this week due to injury. People mentioning him specifically are mental.
 
It would be easy enough to fake an on field injury in order to get out of a match which is going poorly, quite a different thing to fake an injury long term, physios and medical staff know what they are looking for, scans and other tests will also find a faker.

That said different people have different pain thresholds, not that it is a positive but I can imagine the players of 10, 20, 30 years ago playing through much of what now side-lines players for long periods, it all started with a metatarsal!

As much as I hate this sort of holistic thing there is significant evidence that emotional state has a significant influence on health and recovery, unhappy players are likely to pick up more injuries and take longer to recuperate.... maybe that explains our injury list!
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Why would shaw fake an injury in a euros year? He has next to no chance of making the squad...
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I don't think Rooney said fake, I think he implied they could have been back by now but chose not to. I think shaw probably only needs to show a little of fitness to get selected, so if he plays the FA cup final, that's enough for Southgate to pick him. He's probably decided to not risk anything until then.
 
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