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Wayne Rooney believes some United players pretending to be injured
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Broken cock …sounds painful
That’s kind of the point Rooney is making though. That players won’t play through niggles. Shaw is a blatant example of it. Any player that gets subbed off at half time because they’re ‘injured’ more than once definitely falls into that category.
It's not just pain, pain can be managed with painkillers but one of the risk of doing these things often is that there is a risk of addiction and there is also a risk of long term disability, Batistuta being an example. More athletes are aware of the risks and many will think more carefully about the consequences of their decisions.
There is also the case of Umtiti who chose the World Cup in spite of medical advises.
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I think so as well,
I think Sancho is a good mate of his and Marcus probably didn't like the way he is treated.
Shaw isn't lying then, he's just not the character to play through knocks. We are arguing semantics though with him. I'm more interested in players who have generally had decent records and appear to be missing games now.
I don't think he really suggested anyone is pretending to be injured, he was just saying no one is in a rush to get back for anything but the cup final and the Euros. Which is obvious really. We aren't fighting for a spot in the CL, which would be monetarily worth while for them and a big game like the final or being fit for the Euros is far more important than coming 7th.
Shaw I think you can allow because he literally had screws in his leg that came loose because of his horrific injury. You can not blame him for not wanting to play through "niggles", because it could be something far more serious.
At the semi final he was filmed walking out of Wembley about an hour after game without any signs of any mobility aids, crutches, foot protection and appears to just have normal footwear on, albeit limping slightly. Unless there's been a separate injury that I've no read about, I'm surprised that something that gave rise to a slight limp has kept him out of contention for more than 3 weeks so far.
if a player has a slight injury that could get worse by playing these games and risk missing FA cup final......Id say that is ok?
There is only Bruno and Lindelof that fit your description.
I thought his field of expertise was capillary transplantation?
Wayne may be onto something but I doubt he has factual knowledge of the players’ physical condition.
We obviously don't know and would only be guessing. But if it came to light that was indeed the case, I can't say it'd be surprising. Nothing surprises me about the goings on at United anymore
I fell out of love with Cavani when he started declaring himself unfit for United games to stay fresh for Uruguay.
Similarly, Lukaku asked not to start in the 2018 FA Cup final vs Chelsea to avoid picking up an injury before the World Cup.
We don't know the names of the players now who are declaring themselves unfit, but I hope whoever the manager is next season is made aware of these player's names so we can put them up for sale.
Similarly, Lukaku asked not to start in the 2018 FA Cup final vs Chelsea to avoid picking up an injury before the World Cup.
We don't know the names of the players now who are declaring themselves unfit, but I hope whoever the manager is next season is made aware of these player's names so we can put them up for sale.
Agree, I think he’s just speculating, but I wouldn’t put anything past this bunch of players.
Hes only saying what a lot are thinking.
watch them be ready and available hoping to start on cup final day
watch them be ready and available hoping to start on cup final day
Part of me thinks the whole club is now only focused on the final. ETH thinks it's the only chance he has to stay in a job, the players don't care if they finish 9th, 8th or 7th, we might as well just have the final few league games and accept we'll likely lose the last 2 but have a near first choice XI for the final and a glimmer of hope.
Both Rooney and Keane said it wasn’t unusual and happened in their day too, but the story runs with the sh1tty end of the stick because, well, it’s Utd.
Interestingly my thoughts went straight to Rashford, then I remembered how long he played with back issues and felt guilty. It’s clearly not fair to speculate or generalise because every case will be different.
I do think there’s a possibility some are being held back to buy them time for the FA Cup as well. Wouldn’t be unreasonable.
Interestingly my thoughts went straight to Rashford, then I remembered how long he played with back issues and felt guilty. It’s clearly not fair to speculate or generalise because every case will be different.
I do think there’s a possibility some are being held back to buy them time for the FA Cup as well. Wouldn’t be unreasonable.
Souness has said he was told the same thing by a reliable source.
I think our players have mentally checked out. So feigning injuries is one way of kickstarting an early holiday
It definitely won't be Bruno and I doubt it will be Lindelof, as we've seen them both play through injuries before.
Presumably that rules out Rashford as well then? Martial and Varane most likely?
You're going to get shat on regardless. You may as well try and fully recover for your own sake.
Martials treatment shows its never worth it with this club.
Martials treatment shows its never worth it with this club.
I know Varane says he played through concussion but all I've seen from him since he joined United is a brittle player who will claim he's injured at the first opportunity he gets when the manager has the temerity to start him twice in the space of a week.
I think player base salaries should be very low, supplemented with high clean sheet, appearance, assist and goal bonuses.
To more you choose not to play, the less you potentially earn.
To more you choose not to play, the less you potentially earn.
Not if the staff offered that option to both. It's not because they played under different circumstance that they would do it now and all of the people mentioned played through injuries, Martial played through ligament sprains, Rashford a broken back which are both significantly more important injuries.
Martial is surely the obvious one. He's not exactly rushed back to help in the run in given he's known for a while his contract won't be extended. Rooney was also his teammate for two seasons so might have some insight on him compared to other players.
I think aswell if Varane is giving general interviews about struggling in the past to want to play again he's probably not too interested in coming back when again he's leaving.
Fernandes and Rashford are the last players you'd level this at as both generally have very good injury records and are still out there even if not playing that well.
Ten Hag alluded to it in his interview with Neville too. He said something along the lines of when things are going well players make themselves available more, when things are going badly the injuries seem to stack. He’s absolutely right and some of it is just natural human psychology.
I initially thought he meant that some performances aren't being scrutinised enough because the injury situation is being used as an excuse. Sheesh!
A modern medical team, would have a suspicion if someone’s faking it, no?
These days every player is scanned, tested, everything. Is it really that easy to call in sick faking an injury?
These days every player is scanned, tested, everything. Is it really that easy to call in sick faking an injury?
Talking to a company doctor… she said if an employee was off sick with back pain it was almost impossible to disprove.
Also told me of an employee who had been off sick several weeks with a ‘bad back’ who was duly sacked after being seen up a ladder cleaning windows
Also told me of an employee who had been off sick several weeks with a ‘bad back’ who was duly sacked after being seen up a ladder cleaning windows
I agree Varane and Martial are the two who I would suspect the most. Also Shaw considering how flakey he's been over the years.
Obviously this is pure speculation as none of us have seen how hard they train at Carrington - we can only go off what we see on the pitch.
Ole and Rangnick both said Cavani had declared himself unfit despite being passed fit by the medical team. Rangnick also said "I can't force players to play". All it takes is for a player to see "hmm nah I feel a knock here and I don't want to risk making it worse".
We also had multiple instances this season alone of medical team clearing a player and that player immidiately reinjuring himself not even 15 minutes after entering the pitch doing completely routine stuff.
Good point. It is shit how players know they can get away with that at United and turn up again whenever they fancy it.
I remember Hargreaves doing that in his first game back (I think it was vs Wolves) and Fergie never trusted him to start a game again.
Basically this. Easy to blame the players but he didn't say pretending to be injured he inferred could play if they wanted to (I.e. through an injury).
And it's also easy to want to play through an injury if its a CL quarter final or title race and you believe in what the manager is doing. When none of those things apply the priority becomes nit putting yourself at risk of greater damage.
No player is contractually obligated to play through a bodily injury.
Rooney is implying that the players are not desperate to play for Ten Hag's United side because of how poor they are. Ordinarily, players playing for sides doing well eg Ferguson's United would do everything including play through pain/injury or on pain killer injections just to play. The desire isn't there.
Ofcourse he doesn't have the facts but our players tend to keep away for longer than expected.
For me, it comes down to Ten Hag. There have been excuses by his apologists but the fact is we have been poor from the beginning of the season when everyone was available.
Ofcourse he doesn't have the facts but our players tend to keep away for longer than expected.
For me, it comes down to Ten Hag. There have been excuses by his apologists but the fact is we have been poor from the beginning of the season when everyone was available.