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jojose said:
I don’t think Rooney at his best, was as good as the majority make out. However, the current Rooney isn’t as bad as most make out.

For me, his problem is that he doesn’t have a special attribute or physicality. A kind of USP if you like. He never has had and that’s why he has never had a proper position. LVG came in and said “he’s not a 9”. Jose has come in and said “he’s not a 6 or a 8” , he couldn’t even commit to if he was a 9 or a 10. Fergie played him in various positions as have most England managers.
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I think some of your views are right and I agree with them but you have really underrated Rooney at his best. If anything, people are underrating how good he was back when he was good.

I really don't understand how you say he's not a finisher like Owen. He proved it in the 2009/10 season just how good of a finisher he could be. He's a natural goalscorer who can find the goal in and around the box.

You say he doesn't have a special quality or physicality but if you look at Rooney at his best he was an absolute beast. His strength was phenominal for someone with his pace. Often, he'd remind me of a bull charging up the pitch.

In terms of special qualities, his vision, reading of the game, decision making has always been (and I really think still is) a very strong part of his game.

Don't forget that Ronaldo during his three years of dominance here relied on Rooney too for a good part.

As for modern day Rooney, it has to be seen. I wasn't against selling him because people were giving stupid ideas like have rashford/vardy replace him. Now that we have zlatan and pogba though, we'll have to see if he can warrant a place and if he still has the legs.
 
shamans said:
I think some of your views are right and I agree with them but you have really underrated Rooney at his best. If anything, people are underrating how good he was back when he was good.

I really don't understand how you say he's not a finisher like Owen. He proved it in the 2009/10 season just how good of a finisher he could be. He's a natural goalscorer who can find the goal in and around the box.

You say he doesn't have a special quality or physicality but if you look at Rooney at his best he was an absolute beast. His strength was phenominal for someone with his pace. Often, he'd remind me of a bull charging up the pitch.

In terms of special qualities, his vision, reading of the game, decision making has always been (and I really think still is) a very strong part of his game.

Don't forget that Ronaldo during his three years of dominance here relied on Rooney too for a good part.

As for modern day Rooney, it has to be seen. I wasn't against selling him because people were giving stupid ideas like have rashford/vardy replace him. Now that we have zlatan and pogba though, we'll have to see if he can warrant a place and if he still has the legs.
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The owen / hernandez reference was in terms of style of play. He's not a goal hanger type.

I'll agree with you on the bolded part and of course, he was a very good team player. I don't deny any of that, but lets not look at what Rooney was. Lets look at what Rooney is. For me, his form, perofrmances, creativity, physicality and goal scoring are a long way off a centre forward playing for an elite European club.

He's had a brilliant career. He's won everything at club level. He's ten caps off being englands most capped player as well as highest ever goal scorer. He's 5 goals off being Uniteds greatest ever goal scorer. You cant argue with what he has achieved. But he's now playing for those personal records. He isn't a player we should be using to go forward and be successful. Newcastle away last year he had a great game. That's the only one in a forward position I can think of for many years. You and other might point out other games but we can all agree that over 5 years, they are few and far between.
 
jojose said:
The owen / hernandez reference was in terms of style of play. He's not a goal hanger type.

I'll agree with you on the bolded part and of course, he was a very good team player. I don't deny any of that, but lets not look at what Rooney was. Lets look at what Rooney is. For me, his form, perofrmances, creativity, physicality and goal scoring are a long way off a centre forward playing for an elite European club.

He's had a brilliant career. He's won everything at club level. He's ten caps off being englands most capped player as well as highest ever goal scorer. He's 5 goals off being Uniteds greatest ever goal scorer. You cant argue with what he has achieved. But he's now playing for those personal records. He isn't a player we should be using to go forward and be successful. Newcastle away last year he had a great game. That's the only one in a forward position I can think of for many years. You and other might point out other games but we can all agree that over 5 years, they are few and far between.
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Well my post was totally in response to how you thought Rooney never really was as great of a player people talk him to be. I just don't want people to forget how good he was.

Like I said, I am not going to make a judgement on the current Rooney until I see him in this current Jose team. We will have a good enough answer till december about where he fits in.
 
shamans said:
Well my post was totally in response to how you thought Rooney never really was as great of a player people talk him to be. I just don't want people to forget how good he was.

Like I said, I am not going to make a judgement on the current Rooney until I see him in this current Jose team. We will have a good enough answer till december about where he fits in.
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Its fine to remember how good he WAS!! No issue with that. But it shouldn't effect or contribut to judgment in the present. Fergie kept us at the top for so long by being ruthless. He used players and as soon as they where of no use to the club, they'd be gone. They would usually do very little when leaving as he would nearly always time it right. Now, had Fergie done one more year. Wayne Rooney would have gone! And where ever he went, he'd have done what has done for us over the last 3 years.....very little.

He wants those records and without United he wont get them. So hopefully he fights for his future. In his defence, the slow teactical approach of the last few years doesn't suit him. Anything where he has to think he struggles. He's at his best chasing about and bombing forward on the brake. If he still has the legs for that he'll suit a Jose set up. If he hasn't......he wont last very long.
 
jojose said:
Its fine to remember how good he WAS!! No issue with that. But it shouldn't effect or contribut to judgment in the present. Fergie kept us at the top for so long by being ruthless. He used players and as soon as they where of no use to the club, they'd be gone. They would usually do very little when leaving as he would nearly always time it right. Now, had Fergie done one more year. Wayne Rooney would have gone! And where ever he went, he'd have done what has done for us over the last 3 years.....very little.

He wants those records and without United he wont get them. So hopefully he fights for his future. In his defence, the slow teactical approach of the last few years doesn't suit him. Anything where he has to think he struggles. He's at his best chasing about and bombing forward on the brake. If he still has the legs for that he'll suit a Jose set up. If he hasn't......he wont last very long.
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Well because of how great he was I am willing to let myself give him another go this season. That's all I was saying. Another go in a proper team and we can see where he fits.
 
shamans said:
Well because of how great he was I am willing to let myself give him another go this season. That's all I was saying. Another go in a proper team and we can see where he fits.
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Fair enough. He's had 1 or 2 seasons too many now for me personally.

I sincerely hope he returns back into the 2010 player. Just cant see it.

Just out of curiosity, where / how would you use him?
 
jojose said:
Fair enough. He's had 1 or 2 seasons too many now for me personally.

I sincerely hope he returns back into the 2010 player. Just cant see it.

Just out of curiosity, where / how would you use him?
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#10 and/or fight for the striking spot with Zlatan and Rashford.
 
shamans said:
#10 and/or fight for the striking spot with Zlatan and Rashford.
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I always used to like him wide ya know. His touch doesn’t come into play as much. I think playing wide is less of a tactical position. Or a more straight forward approach tactically. All he has to remember is if the full back runs past him….go with him and when its on the opposite flank, get in the box. In that position I always thought he benefitted from the technical, creative ability of others as opposed to him providing with technical / creative stuff, which I have always thought he struggles with.

So if I had to play him, id play him where / how Mata has played the wide right position. Let miki play as a #10.

I think Zlatan and Rashford both offer far too much to consider Rooney over them as #9. Assuming Zlatan brings his A game and Rashford doesn't suffer the second season syndrome
 
jojose said:
I always used to like him wide ya know. His touch doesn’t come into play as much. I think playing wide is less of a tactical position. Or a more straight forward approach tactically. All he has to remember is if the full back runs past him….go with him and when its on the opposite flank, get in the box. In that position I always thought he benefitted from the technical, creative ability of others as opposed to him providing with technical / creative stuff, which I have always thought he struggles with.

So if I had to play him, id play him where / how Mata has played the wide right position. Let miki play as a #10.

I think Zlatan and Rashford both offer far too much to consider Rooney over them as #9. Assuming Zlatan brings his A game and Rashford doesn't suffer the second season syndrome
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There are a ton of questions marks over our striking options right now. Zlatan had a great season but at this stage of his career, when the downfall starts it is pretty rapid so that's something we have to be aware of. Due to his style of play though, I have a strong feeling we will get at least a good year out of him.

Rashford has been brilliant but he still has a lot to prove. Besides, he is young and can't be expected to lead the line in all games.

Rooney.. well we all know his current story.

I would not play him on the wings because to me that would kind of be shoe-horning him. I haven't seen Mikhitaryan play so can't comment on that but I've seen his style of play and tbh I'm not a big fan of winger of his style. It has nothing to do with him but that style of play from the flanks doesn't attract me though it might suit our new system well.
 
jojose said:
The best thing for all concerned is after his testimonial, we flog him on to Everton at a knock down price so they can cover his wages. PR wise we can make up some tale that “as part of the deal to bring him to United, Everton inserted a buy back clause, the player wants to go there and he’s a great servant to he goes with our blessing”. Rooney gets to tell every body who will listen that he “choose” to return to everton as he wanted to make sure he returned whilst he still thought he could do the business, he’s excited by the new owners and managers plans. Koeman and the owners get a marqee signing and take a bit of pressure off a poor window and the sale of Stones.
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Pretty sure buy back clauses don't work like that mate. We bought him 12 years ago and he's signed 3-4 new contracts since.
 
He might be used as a utility man to fill in when one of the others (Ibra, Pogba, Martial, etc.) is unavailable for whatever reason, sort of taking over the Mata/Lingard role. He would likely play a lot of games that way and his versatility will be useful.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Your just arguing over semantics now. A player who up until that point starts when fit was deemed not the best option for the game. It doesnt matter if you call it dropped, rested rotated whatever, we are saying the same thing ffs.
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I'm paraphrasing Sir Alex himself. We are not arguing the same thing.
 
Man Utd 5:2 Galatasaray (Pre-season)
Still looks really good at the part where you give the ball to the opponent. Although, he does look slightly fitter and quicker than last season.
 
My enthusiasm for the season dies a little when I remember he will be in the XI.
 
Adisa said:
My enthusiasm for the season dies a little when I remember he will be in the XI.
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I think he will try really hard for the first couple of matches or so, but give the ball away to no end and the be benched for a game or two and start having fitness issues or something. I can't see him lasting in high gears for the entire season.
 
I've never been massively in the 'Rooney out' camp but feck me, he's clearly so much worse than all our other attackers.
 
Just caught the last 5 minutes of the half. How was our captain?
 
It is everyone elses fault!!! even though over the last 5 years we have had many great attacking players, its their fault not rooneys.
 
Painful to watch. Depressing to think he's a starter for us. Don't know how he makes the team.
 
Every attack where he receives the ball with his back to goal does because he can't fecking turn.
Attack of Zlatan and Rooney is just too fecking slow. Said it before Zlatan came.
 
I know it is unfair to single him out, but we are never going to challenge for top 4 if he is a starter.
 
We all know Rooney takes some weeks to get going, that's when he's at his best after a consistent run of games. Question will be if he'll have that much time
 
Remember how everyone was convinced he would transition into a goalscoring midfielder a la Lampard in his latter years because his passing is World Class & he isn't reliant on pace? You could actually make a legitimate case he's the worst player at the club now since he's an automatic starter.
 
Embarrassing he plays for us. I think I've felt compelled to say that at half time in nearly every game he's played for years. Shoot him out of a cannon.
 
I just can't fecking imagine going into the season with a 4231 system where #10 plays the most important, pivotal role in the system with somebody who can't control the ball, can't complete a short pass and is just terribad at everything.
 
Watching Walcott play versus MLS All star reminds me of Rooney's performance today. Rooney is transforming into an obvious liability to our attack and I am struggling to believe that this season will be different in a positive way compared to his last three season with us.
 
I know its pre season.. but this isnt based just on this performance..
There is no chance of him leaving, is there? Any realistic chance of him being benched and being used more as a sub? He really good enough anymore.
 
He ate my guinea pig.
 
He'll have 1 good game in 10 & people will proclaim he is back. He's been performing like this for 3 seasons and it will only get worse. Should be a squad player, starting from the bench.
 
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