Rooney was average, which is above average for him these days. I still thought he was our least useful player. Martial was completely useless in the first half but grew into the game in the second and should've scored. The sooner we drop Rooney and play with a real #10 our attack will be very potent.
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Check again. He only lacked finishing to complete very good performance. He is much more dangerous than Rooney it's not even close.
This, if I was in Mkhitaryan's position or better yet Rashford I'd be justified to feel hard done by if those were the ''performances'' deemed good enough to deny either of them a fair crack. There is basically nothing in Rooney's performances stopping Mourinho from giving other players a fair crack at his spot in the team such as subbing Rooney off around the sixtieth minute to see how they do with substantial minutes of the game left, maybe its the fear that giving either a real shot will expose the farce that is his continued undisputed starting role.
I mean, I can't believe people are still defending Rooney after all this time. If that's the standards that we're trying to set as a club, then we might as well finish 6th every year. Is that what we are striving for? I hope not.
Listen, he played better than last week, but the thing is - even though he played better, it's still absolute shit of a performance. He was abysmal against Bournemouth and very bad against Southampton. That "improvement" doesn't make him good or anything
Mhkitaryan looked way more dangerous than Rooney in the small amount of time he played and he hasn't even played in the past 3 games. Mata also had better passes, more link up play and dangerous forward runs.
Some people are saying that Martial played worse... I think you should watch the game again because Martial, for all his faults was extremely dangerous in the final third with his dribbling and speed. The only thing that was missing from his game was the defending and finishing.
I don't even want to go comparing him to Pogba, that's a whole different story.
And the problem is, he hasn't been shit for 3 matches or anything, he has been shit for 3 seasons. SAF wanted to get rid of him because he knew Rooney was no longer useful, but then Moyes came and he gave him a 10 year contract and that was his final "feck you" to us.
If the Rooney apologists can tell me one good thing he did in the match against Southampton beside the cross, I'm all ears.
Tip: you can't.
Listen, he played better than last week, but the thing is - even though he played better, it's still absolute shit of a performance. He was abysmal against Bournemouth and very bad against Southampton. That "improvement" doesn't make him good or anything
Mhkitaryan looked way more dangerous than Rooney in the small amount of time he played and he hasn't even played in the past 3 games. Mata also had better passes, more link up play and dangerous forward runs.
Some people are saying that Martial played worse... I think you should watch the game again because Martial, for all his faults was extremely dangerous in the final third with his dribbling and speed. The only thing that was missing from his game was the defending and finishing.
I don't even want to go comparing him to Pogba, that's a whole different story.
And the problem is, he hasn't been shit for 3 matches or anything, he has been shit for 3 seasons. SAF wanted to get rid of him because he knew Rooney was no longer useful, but then Moyes came and he gave him a 10 year contract and that was his final "feck you" to us.
If the Rooney apologists can tell me one good thing he did in the match against Southampton beside the cross, I'm all ears.
Tip: you can't.
Glad I've found a message board that has so many members who know better than Jose Mourinho.
Your football acumen leaves me in awe.
Your football acumen leaves me in awe.
Rooney isn't so much a footballing problem as a political problem and Jose has probably learned by now that you don't squander political capital by picking fights where you don't have to or saying what you really think where it's negative. I suspect he'll deal with the Rooney issue when the time is right. The last thing he should do is get into a protracted series of tensions and flashpoints with his captain (or anyone else for that matter.) It's not as though Rooney's terrible. Just not what he was and probably not as good as the alternatives.
Remember SAF was the absolute master of knowing when a player was past his sell-by date. And he was apparently of that view about Rooney 3 seasons ago. It was Moyes desperation that landed him a new contract which we're now stuck with.
What a stupid thing to say. Moyes played Rooney and failed. Some of us were telling him to drop him and he didn't.
So what, Moyes was correct just because he is a manager?
Van Gaal... everyone told him to drop Rooney, play different system, etc etc... He didn't, we failed again.
So we can't criticize Mourinho just because he is a manager?
@glazed respectfully, Jose rules with an iron fist. He does what he wants to his credit and detriment.
If you think you know more than the manager then good for you. Theorizing grand political intrigue to explain why Rooney is picked is tinfoil hat quality analysis.
If you think you know more than the manager then good for you. Theorizing grand political intrigue to explain why Rooney is picked is tinfoil hat quality analysis.
See I think this is the problem. I thought he had a good first half but disappeared a bit in the second. He looks knackered every game by the 60 minute mark. He was also probably the least creative (despite his cross for Zlatan) of all the front four.
He wasn't shite or poor - people are taking the piss if they say that but I sure as hell can't understand people suggesting he played really really well because he really didn't. It was a big improvement from Bournemouth though I agree - I just don't think that's particularly difficult to accomplish.
Very much looking forward to see what we look like with either Mata or Miki in that slot instead. Not particularly out of spite for Rooney at this current stage, just because both look more dangerous.
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Nice time to criticize the manager. Your standards are high, sir.
Then why SAF, the greatest manager ever, thought that Rooney should leave and benched him for Kagawa and Welbeck?
Nice to see somebody else has their head screwed on and isn't swayed by the media. I can't understand how people can state he played well. That was never anything more than a poor performance.
I can see why you would say that and perhaps you are correct. It's impossible to say just now. My own view is that he is an intelligent man who has learned the lessons of his last season at Chelsea, where (I think it's fair to say) his iron fist was one factor in losing the support of enough of the players to cause him to get sacked.
I would add that (again I have no real proof except a feeling from watching his behavior) I think it's also likely that he was employed at Old Trafford with an understanding that he would be less confrontational. It's no secret that there were concerns over the way he conducted himself in public.
Ffs, I'm not saying Mourinho is bad or anything, in fact I was the one that wanted him to inherit SAF as manager of United, I always wanted him to be our manager after SAF. I always defended him when people here where calling him a cnut. I was always on the opinion that he is the manager who is most similiar to Sir Alex.
I also consider him the best manager in the world so this is not something that you can criticize me with.
The problem is that Mourinho is just wrong on this a 100%. I have no idea why he doesn't drop Rooney, maybe there's something behind the scenes that's stopping him, but there is literally no reason to keep Rooney in the team, absolutely none.
I hope, I hope he continues to play Rooney just to show how shit he is to the media so they don't blame him for dropping him afterwards, but I won't hold my breath.
This sums it up perfectly. Had it been De Bruyne or Ozil putting in the same kind of performances they would be getting absolutely slaughtered by fans and media. Even the performance last night would have been criticised.
Probably a lot to do with the locker room atmosphere. Rooney is a big personality and obviously someone the rest of the squad looks up to so dropping him can cause friction.
Jose knows better than anyone else that he cannot pick his battles within the squad so soon after entering the club and there are newer players who haven't yet acclimatised themselves to the locker room.
He might yet do it but it won't be for a few months or a full season at least.
Because he put in one good cross whilst not even remotely providing a threat for the rest of the game?
Also discounting that Martial was one of our biggest threats in the second half and generally looked dangerous, despite not scoring his chances?
This makes a lot of sense and I really hope you're right. Jose is too good of a manager not to see that Rooney has been absolute shit, a pub player for these past 3 seasons. Hell, he said he watched us play extensively before taking the job.
I guess we just have to be patient. At least he subs him every match now, can't be far off from dropping him.
Not as bad as people said here, but I do agree better player would do good for the team. But, to say Martial is better than Rooney last night is something I can't agree with.
In fact, I would say Rooney has been better than Martial in the last three games. Saying that, Martial will be better (I hope) as time goes by. Not sure it would be the same for Rooney.
In fact, I would say Rooney has been better than Martial in the last three games. Saying that, Martial will be better (I hope) as time goes by. Not sure it would be the same for Rooney.
Unless you didn't watch the second half that's an odd opinion. Martial turned it on in the second - just missing the finish.
By that logic Rooney was the biggest threat v Bournemouth.
What did Rooney do against Bournemouth besides losing the ball every time he touched it?
Not sure how it is an odd opinion, Martial did have few chances but the fact is, he didn't managed to convert. And at least for one of the chances, he should have done better. Other than that, his 1st half performance is the worse i have ever seen from our player in the last 3 games. Lost the the ball each time he got it, poor decision making, wayward passing and not to mention his crossing.
Not quite as simple as that though is it? He was driving at their defence and made those chances. What did Rooney do in the second half that comparable? He was pretty much invisible for that second half.
People on this site are so fecking stupid. They can't tell when a player is a quality player or not. Wayne Rooney is obviously one of our best players and is only going to get better with all this quality around him.
This is such an obvious case of not knowing what you have until it's gone. Even a player like Pogba will be blasé in a few months. I have said it several times before and I want this marked in this thread: Wayne Rooney will be one of our most important players this season and probably score something like 15 goals and get several assists.
This is such an obvious case of not knowing what you have until it's gone. Even a player like Pogba will be blasé in a few months. I have said it several times before and I want this marked in this thread: Wayne Rooney will be one of our most important players this season and probably score something like 15 goals and get several assists.
Well thank god you're here!
Martial best chance came from a pass from Rooney. There are two moments in 2nd half when we were counter attacking Soton, Rooney and Ibra both made good runs but Martial chose 1) to pass sideway and 2) lost the ball.
The irony
You said Marial was a threat bar his finishing - well, Rooney had a header (scored), a 1v1 (saved) and a shot from the edge of the box (saved easily). He was our threat in behind, and if, according to you, that makes Martial's performance OK (I think it doesn't), then Rooney deserves praise for that shitshow vs Bournemouth -- in fact I remember some on here making that ludicrous claim. ("He had his chances because of positioning and smart runs, he was our threat")
When people say that was a good performance I can only gather they don't watch any other football but United games and haven't seen what a real top player in that role plays like.
Please, watch the video and then try to explain how Rooney was more of a threat than Martial is in either of the past 2 matches.
I mean, It's not like Martial played amazingly or anything, but he played a lot better than Rooney did. By your logic Martial had 2 assists, but I'm not counting that, am I?
Martial hasn't played as well as he had last season, but it's only been 3 matches, with Rooney it's been 3 years and counting.
And Martial is still more of a threat than Rooney is either way. Besides the cross, you literally can't give me one single good thing Rooney has done vs Southampton, and I don't even want to analyze his Bournemouth performance cuz that was literally pub level of play.
Sorry but all that video proves is that in a 2 min highlight of 90 mins he played a few obvious passes, lost the ball a few times and couldn't finish when he should have. Rooney played much better than Martial last night. Ignoring overall play, his end product alone (the cross) meant he played better for me.
Yeah because a good/well played performance must always equal the kind of performance pogba put in last night and can't just be a decent performance?
That's not what I said, if you said it was an ok or passable performance then sure, that's fair enough, but the use of the word good implies just that and if you watch football other than United you'd see how average that was for a #10.
This is just laughable. How low can you go to prove your point. It's all a big political conspiracy now isn't it?
I thought he had a good game or played well or was decent. All the same thing. Zlatan, Shaw, Pogba, Mata, Bailly, Fellaini and Valencia were all better for sure. And despite thinking he played well I do think we should try out Mikhi for Rooney because he seemed really sharp. I just don't think he was "piss poor" as many on here have suggested.
If you don't understand the wider meaning of 'political', then it's probably best not to make a fool of yourself by laughing at those who do understand it.
Although the argument that Rooney only gets picked for 'political' reasons - which are what, exactly? - does seem a tad far fetched.
We're meant to believe that 3 successive managers have picked a massively sub-standard player, thus damaging their own career prospects, because they're too scared or aren't allowed to drop him.
For me, it doesn't ring true. Perhaps he gets picked because he isn't anyway near as shit as the usual suspect boo boys on here would have you believe (a rather outlandish theory, I know).
I agree, tbf. I think the reasons for Wayne's continued selection are centred on footballing reasons rather than commercial or 'political' ones.
You are so ignorant to agree with anything that disputes Rooney's performance it's unbelieveable.
I'll leave you in your dream where this is nothing to see performance and that Rooney played much better. Bolded part says a lot about your perception of football anyway, there is no reason for me to continue any players performance related discussion with person who thinks like that.
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